Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 12960958)

USA data, this morning -

Worldometer: 24,626,441 & 408,623

CNN (JHU): 24,078,593 & 399,003

NYT: 24,126,100 & 399,052

I use the latter's data.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12960969)

US infectons/deaths ?

Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 12960950)

Deaths per million, whole pandemic -

UK: 1341
US: 1212
EU27/EEA: 892

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12960974)

It's shockingly bad performance (UK). We tend to regard the US as having a more chaotic and ineffective pandemic response, but the stats pain a very differnt picture. Amazingly, the UK media does not dwell on it.

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12960976)

Nothing amazing about it. Most of the UK media views any serious criticism of a Tory government as an act of Marxist insurrection.

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12960976)

Nothing amazing about it. Most of the UK media views any serious criticism of a Tory government as an act of Marxist insurrection.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12960980)

Deaths per million (Worldometer)

Italy 1367
UK 1320
USA 1231
France 1082
Sweden 1019
Germany 573
Ireland 527
Canada 478
China 61
Japan 36
Australia 35
Thailand 1

Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 12960986)

Interesting. I have only been logging the total EU/EEA figure.

However, fwiw, the latest Worldometer figure for the UK is 1348 (89,860 / 66.65).

Of course, the latest debate is based on the 7 day average. Tonight's UK figure will be revealing.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12960989)

On the Worldometer page I'm checking (global comparison) in the Deaths per million column it reads 1320 ??

Which page are you using?

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12960989)

On the Worldometer page I'm checking (global comparison) in the Deaths per million column it reads 1320 ??

Which page are you using?

Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 12960996)

Can you point the way, can't seem to find it!

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12960982)

Channel 4 doesn't seem overly enamoured with the Tories.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12960980)

Deaths per million (Worldometer)

Italy 1367
UK 1320
USA 1231
France 1082
Sweden 1019
Germany 573
Ireland 527
Canada 478
China 61
Japan 36
Australia 35
Thailand 1

Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 12961178)

ETA: UK deaths figure just come in, 1610. Highest yet.

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12961191)

Reading a number doesn't hit you as hard as googling an image of 1,500 people. Truly shocking.

Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 12960986)

Interesting. I have only been logging the total EU/EEA figure.

However, fwiw, the latest Worldometer figure for the UK is 1348 (89,860 / 66.65).

Of course, the latest debate is based on the 7 day average. Tonight's UK figure will be revealing.

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12961215)

Best number comparison analogy I've heard is 1 million compared to 1 billion.

One million seconds is 11 days.

One billion seconds is 32 years.

Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 12961273)

Nurse in UK who had Covid in April got vaccine first dose 3 weeks ago. Just been taken to hospital with new strain symptoms.

Tough times ahead.

Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 12961273)

Nurse in UK who had Covid in April got vaccine first dose 3 weeks ago. Just been taken to hospital with new strain symptoms.

Tough times ahead.

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12961300)

Reports from Israel suggest that the first dose may not be as effective as originally thought and that's without consideration of any new strains.

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12961348)

OMG, can you imagine the worldwide chaos that another strain going viral would cause if these current vaccines didn't work. Talk about banging your head on a wall.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12961447)

Some very good commentary from Prof Christina Pagel here (starts at 4:05)

- UK might be at peak deaths, cases coming down now, but hospitalisations rising
- hospitalisations double of wave 1 and a long way to go to get back down (another 8 weeks)
- lockdown necessary well beyond February because even if 70+ are vaccinated, 90% of cases are in below that age range
- younger (non-vaccinated) group is at risk of long covid, and further transmission time gives virus more chance to mutate
- NHS staff extremely stressed in wave 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LJIpuNPrQM

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12961522)

2021 is going to be a non event much like most of 2020 i feel. I won't be making any plans for some time to come. :thumbdown:

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12961410)

Looks like the shelves are empty in the stock room of the new vaccination centre in Toronto - hope its a very temporary supply issue not a sign of things to come (although the UK vaccination numbers have started to tail off already)

Toronto vaccination centre to temporarily close

Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 12961831)

1820 UK deaths just reported.

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12961532)

Canada has a supply issue, but not at the fault of the government. Pfizer is pausing some production lines at their Belgium plant as they announced last week. Then today it was made known that next weeks order was deferred and Canada wont be receiving any, and then the first 2 weeks of February the deliveries will be roughly cut in half.


Hopefully J&J will be approved sometime in the next month, however their production has hit a snag and will be behind schedule so if approved in February may not see any until mid March to April.

Seems the US is about the only country not facing Pfizer delays, but they do have Pfizers largest or one of the largest manufacturing facilities so that helps.

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12948219)

Virus's mutate and adapt, it's nothing new.. there are over 200 variations/mutations of Covid 19**. This adaptation / mutation is to allow it to spread more easily, however, there is nothing showing that it is more virulent in it's effect on people (i.e. it's not having any worse effect than the usual variety - people aren't getting more seriously ill than the more common variety), nor that it's causing more deaths. It's been in the UK since September! More hype to feed the hysteria that is boris.
There are similar mutations elsewhere in the world already :)

**Correction - as of July 2020 apparently there were a total of 1,234 mutations (and doubtless more since)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s10038-020-0808-9