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Siouxie Jan 22nd 2021 10:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12963003)
Now that they have some data, Boris seems to think that the UK variant is more deadly than the original.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...warns-12195663

I think the

may be / the available data suggests / would be expected
etc., sums it up. Once again it's conjecture, not proven by facts yet - it's 'believed / thought / supposed / presumed'
:)

Danny B Jan 22nd 2021 11:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12963080)
I think the etc., sums it up. Once again it's conjecture, not proven by facts yet - it's 'believed / thought / supposed / presumed'
:)

:fingerscrossed:

caretaker Jan 23rd 2021 12:11 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12963080)
I think the etc., sums it up. Once again it's conjecture, not proven by facts yet - it's 'believed / thought / supposed / presumed'
:)

Oh shit; the dreaded Thesaurus Virus.

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 24th 2021 9:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
On this day in 2020. Turns out airport screening didn't work out all that effectively. (screen shot, don't try to play the video. :rofl:)

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...74a1d7015e.png


Jingsamichty Jan 25th 2021 8:21 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Suggestions in the UK that schools might not reopen until May. I feel so sorry for the people trying to work from home and do homeschooling of kids, it must be a nightmare.

Danny B Jan 25th 2021 3:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Promising news regarding the nasty variants :fingerscrossed:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55797312


Danny B Jan 25th 2021 3:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12963963)
Suggestions in the UK that schools might not reopen until May. I feel so sorry for the people trying to work from home and do homeschooling of kids, it must be a nightmare.

It's the poorer kids who go to School for a decent school lunch and support that I am most worried about. This will be devastating for them.

OrangeMango Jan 25th 2021 5:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12963963)
Suggestions in the UK that schools might not reopen until May. I feel so sorry for the people trying to work from home and do homeschooling of kids, it must be a nightmare.

I think, not a single western country in the world has adequate plans for schooling during the pandemic. They also have no real understanding what it might mean for any kids if the report card or the leaving cert is from 2020.

I think once the pandemic is over kids should be given the option / choice to repeat the whole year without any hesitation. I think we owe it to the young generation to offer them education and leaving certs which have some value in the market and eliminate the "you graduated / left school in Corona 2020, no wonder you knowledge is that bad...."

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 25th 2021 5:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12964121)
Promising news regarding the nasty variants :fingerscrossed:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55797312

Replace Moderna with Pfizer and the article is almost the same as those from a few weeks ago, vaccines appear to work, but more study is needed.

Looks like the South African strain might be an issue. Moderna is testing to see if a 3rd booster might be needed/beneficial.Blood samples exposed to the new variants appeared to have sufficient antibodies to achieve this neutralising effect, although it was not as strong for the South Africa variant as for the UK one.

Moderna says this could mean that protection against the South Africa variant might disappear more quickly.



scrubbedexpat091 Jan 25th 2021 5:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by OrangeMango (Post 12964190)
I think, not a single western country in the world has adequate plans for schooling during the pandemic. They also have no real understanding what it might mean for any kids if the report card or the leaving cert is from 2020.

I think once the pandemic is over kids should be given the option / choice to repeat the whole year without any hesitation. I think we owe it to the young generation to offer them education and leaving certs which have some value in the market and eliminate the "you graduated / left school in Corona 2020, no wonder you knowledge is that bad...."

British Columbia while not a country has more or less continued school as normal since September, so there are places where schooling during the pandemic is basically the same.


Stumpylegs Jan 25th 2021 7:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12964127)
It's the poorer kids who go to School for a decent school lunch and support that I am most worried about. This will be devastating for them.

Yep, and they are typically the ones who are also less likely to receive any sort of decent homeschooling as well.

Looks like the Oxford vaccine supply to the EU has been significantly cut for a few months - which cant be good news.

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 25th 2021 7:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Wonder if there is a canadian version? Pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid...ature=youtu.be

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 25th 2021 7:53 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12964243)
Wonder if there is a canadian version? Pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid...ature=youtu.be

You should make one.

Although in my province the provincial level politicians seem to mostly be following the rules, but to be fair most of the rules are not being put in place in BC by politicians but by the public health officer who has broad powers in a pandemic.

Siouxie Jan 26th 2021 1:50 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12964243)
Wonder if there is a canadian version? Pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid...ature=youtu.be

That's hilarious! :D

(if you use the 'share' button to get the shortened url and 'copy' it will show up in the thread, rather than as a link :)

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 26th 2021 2:58 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.politico.eu/article/comm...lls-elsewhere/

Brussels plans controls on vaccine exports amid AstraZeneca dispute


Is this the source for Canada?

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 26th 2021 4:03 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12964401)
https://www.politico.eu/article/comm...lls-elsewhere/

Brussels plans controls on vaccine exports amid AstraZeneca dispute


Is this the source for Canada?


Pfizer vaccine for Canada comes from Belgium, yes.

Astra Zeneca is not approved in Canada so haven't received any deliveries of it.




scrubbedexpat099 Jan 26th 2021 4:08 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12964410)
Pfizer vaccine for Canada comes from Belgium, yes.

Astra Zeneca is not approved in Canada so haven't received any deliveries of it.

OK Wonder if EU will have words with Pfizer?

I saw a mention of a Canadian casino owner who flew up to one of the reservations to get a jab, is there supposed to be an age limit for those not in prime categories?

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 26th 2021 4:40 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Husband on leash breached Quebec's Covid curfew

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55631198

Short version still got fined.

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 26th 2021 5:31 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12964412)
OK Wonder if EU will have words with Pfizer?

I saw a mention of a Canadian casino owner who flew up to one of the reservations to get a jab, is there supposed to be an age limit for those not in prime categories?

Looks like they claimed to work in a isolated community where people have priority even if younger, and also broke the Yukon COVID-19 isolation rules and such.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...ines-1.5886734

The fines likely are not steep enough to keep the rich from breaking rules, only normal people are affected by fines. When I did parking patrolling in Whistler, the nicer and more expensive the car the less likely they paid for parking, the worse the car looked the higher probability they paid for parking, it was very consistent like this each and every day for months I worked there, was too consistent to just be random coincidences.

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 26th 2021 5:46 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Same old same old.

Seems she is aspiring actress, an interesting term.

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 26th 2021 2:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12964410)
Pfizer vaccine for Canada comes from Belgium, yes.

Astra Zeneca is not approved in Canada so haven't received any deliveries of it.

Listening to BBC this morning and EU are it seems looking to block Pfizer as well.

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 26th 2021 5:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Canada will likely pay the price of not being capable of producing domestically.

Time will tell. But I am keeping my options open. If I have to return to the US to get the vaccine, I will.



Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12964574)
Listening to BBC this morning and EU are it seems looking to block Pfizer as well.


Siouxie Jan 26th 2021 6:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12964422)
Looks like they claimed to work in a isolated community where people have priority even if younger, and also broke the Yukon COVID-19 isolation rules and such.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...ines-1.5886734

The fines likely are not steep enough to keep the rich from breaking rules, only normal people are affected by fines. When I did parking patrolling in Whistler, the nicer and more expensive the car the less likely they paid for parking, the worse the car looked the higher probability they paid for parking, it was very consistent like this each and every day for months I worked there, was too consistent to just be random coincidences.

From the above link...

The former president and CEO of a Canadian casino company and his wife are the couple accused of breaking Yukon COVID-19 rules and chartering a plane to the small community of Beaver Creek to receive doses of the Moderna vaccine.

Rodney Baker, a 55-year-old who resigned from the Great Canadian Gaming Corporation on Sunday, and Ekaterina Baker, a 32-year-old aspiring actress, both received tickets at the Whitehorse airport on Jan. 21, according to court records.
They just put the people of Beaver Creek at risk.. by breaking Covid rules..
Hmmm Rich older gent and his 'aspiring actress' 32 year old wife
Typical...

BristolUK Jan 26th 2021 11:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I keep thinking about who charters that plane and how they advertise.

Got a secret trip you want to make? Don't want the authorities knowing what you're up to?
We'll fly you to Mexico, Colombia, Iraq, New Zealand...anywhere you want, under the radar, avoiding immigration, customs controls, isolation requirements.
No paperwork needed. No questions asked. Cash accepted.

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 27th 2021 12:00 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12964766)
I keep thinking about who charters that plane and how they advertise.

Got a secret trip you want to make? Don't want the authorities knowing what you're up to?
We'll fly you to Mexico, Colombia, Iraq, New Zealand...anywhere you want, under the radar, avoiding immigration, customs controls, isolation requirements.
No paperwork needed. No questions asked. Cash accepted.

I am sure the drug dealers could help you, I know people who work in that sector and it much more mundane. Still have to do Immigration etc.

Even the large Airports have private terminals:


bats Jan 27th 2021 12:43 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12964410)
Pfizer vaccine for Canada comes from Belgium, yes.

Astra Zeneca is not approved in Canada so haven't received any deliveries of it.

I read that Doug Ford wants to Kalamazoo to collect some vaccine.

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 27th 2021 1:13 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 12964781)
I read that Doug Ford wants to Kalamazoo to collect some vaccine.

Yes he said something about that I think last week.

Issue with the US facility is Pfizer has guaranteed a certain number of doses to the US by July, so they likely simply cannot meet the US agreement and ship vaccine to other countries. No idea what Canada is paying per dose, US is around $20 per dose.

BristolUK Jan 29th 2021 4:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
New Brunswick. Covid deaths doubled since Christmas. More cases in January than the whole of 2020.

Shard Jan 30th 2021 12:13 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Where do you check the number of vax in Canada ?

Siouxie Jan 30th 2021 4:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12965930)
Where do you check the number of vax in Canada ?

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...ollout.html#a4

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 30th 2021 4:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12965930)
Where do you check the number of vax in Canada ?

In addition to the government link posted, CTV also has a site they usually update daily, they also compare where other countries are in comparison with different metrics.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...hots-1.5247509

Siouxie Jan 30th 2021 6:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
In addition to JS and my earlier links - this is quite interesting 5 more vaccines awaiting approval. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-serv...s-covid19.html

Calculator - when will you qualify for the vaccine? https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-ca
It doesn't take into consideration having an existing 'at risk' condition..

đź“… Using these vaccination rates and an uptake of 70.3%, you should expect to receive your two doses of vaccine and get maximum immunity by between late September 2021 and mid April 2022.
Roll out plan for each Province: https://www.omnicalculator.com/healt...e-or-territory
If you get bored, there's another 43 calculators you can play with :D https://www.omnicalculator.com/collections/coronavirus

.

BristolUK Jan 30th 2021 7:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12966083)
Calculator - when will you qualify for the vaccine? https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-ca
It doesn't take into consideration having an existing 'at risk' condition..
.

I did an American one that covered conditions in the way one expects it will eventually be sorted out here and I answered Maine as my state.
This is where I was in a representative line


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...64a9a66d31.png
If the line in Maine was represented by about 100 people, this is where you’d be standing

Here's the link if you want to try it
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-timeline.html

BristolUK Jan 30th 2021 8:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Be careful what you wish for.
I wished for something and got it...just not in the way I expected.
Our tier system runs Yellow, Orange, Red and Locked Down.
In Orange (and red) socialising has been limited to one household bubble.
In Yellow, a 'steady 20' was allowed. It was supposed to be a fixed 20 but one can imagine someone within a 20 would also be part of a different 20.
However, even if everyone followed it to the letter and stuck rigidly with their 20, this could still involve mixing of 5, 6, or 7 households; 10 if it was all childless couples.

When you consider that every household has members who work or in education and they'll all be different to other households making up their 20, that's an awful lot of potential cross infection. Criss cross infection?

I thought the difference was just too great between the two - just your own household or up to 20 people/half a dozen households or more.
Well, they've now closed that difference.

All the province was in yellow at Christmas and it seems people took full advantage of the 'steady 20' and no doubt a bit more.
Once there was enough time for new infections to develop into symptoms and thus testing, we kept breaking records daily for new cases.
We moved into Orange but the case numbers didn't come down when the holiday gatherings infections would have hopefully run their course, nor did they when the move to Orange should have begun to make a difference.

So half the province was moved into Red.

January has seen the Province death figures more than double from Christmas. The new case figure for January is more than the whole of 2020.

Our new case figures have now started to decline but we're still getting more every two days than we were getting in a whole week during December.

Some regions dropped back to Orange. It seems active cases reducing is the reason. It doesn't take much to conclude that a large number of new cases over a sustained period will eventually lead to a large number of (apparent) recoveries/eventual negative tests for those people. And if the rate at which infections have grown slows down, eventually tailing off and actually reducing, then there's going to be a period where active cases fall fairly dramatically and then consistently.

That's good in terms of recovery - putting aside the questions of whether they've really recovered and have no lasting effects.

But it's not a sign of things being back to normal if we're still getting daily infections at a far higher rate than we were before Christmas.

There's actually not a great deal different between Orange and Yellow. The single household - steady 20/several households is the biggest change.

And the province has now announced that in Orange tier, mixing can be extended to include a 'steady 10' which means that new Orange is not so different to Yellow.

They've effectively moved large regions back towards Yellow when the infection rates are worse than when they moved us to Orange.

Sounds like Folly to me.



scrubbedexpat099 Jan 30th 2021 9:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12966108)
I did an American one that covered conditions in the way one expects it will eventually be sorted out here and I answered Maine as my state.
This is where I was in a representative line


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...64a9a66d31.png
If the line in Maine was represented by about 100 people, this is where you’d be standing

Here's the link if you want to try it
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-timeline.html

Based on your risk profile, we believe you’re in line behind 118.5 million people across the United States.

When it comes to Colorado, we think you’re behind 1.6 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

And in **** County, you’re behind 5,100 others.

Looks like I will be able to get mine on the 8th February

Has been mentioned on the other threads but the WHO have been making a big fuss and if their policy was introduced the timing would significantly extend.

Shard Jan 30th 2021 11:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Thanks Siouxie and JS. :thumbup:

Shard Jan 30th 2021 11:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12966108)
I did an American one that covered conditions in the way one expects it will eventually be sorted out here and I answered Maine as my state.
This is where I was in a representative line

If the line in Maine was represented by about 100 people, this is where you’d be standing

Here's the link if you want to try it
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-timeline.html

Just tried the Omnicalculator for Canada...I'm Sept '21 - Apr '22 :blink:
UK one is around June '21 if I recall, but hopefully much sooner.

I guess Canada is having supply issues. I wonder if there are any politics behind the slow approval on the AZ vax...considering it doesn't seem to be available.




scrubbedexpat091 Jan 30th 2021 11:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I tried that link again.

My wife- When it comes to California, we think you’re behind 2.6 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

Me- When it comes to
California, we think you’re behind 31.0 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

Having diabetes seems to really bring one up the ladder in priority.

My dad who is 63- When it comes to
California, we think you’re behind 31.0 million others who are at higher risk in your state.





Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12966125)
Be careful what you wish for.
I wished for something and got it...just not in the way I expected.
Our tier system runs Yellow, Orange, Red and Locked Down.
In Orange (and red) socialising has been limited to one household bubble.
In Yellow, a 'steady 20' was allowed. It was supposed to be a fixed 20 but one can imagine someone within a 20 would also be part of a different 20.
However, even if everyone followed it to the letter and stuck rigidly with their 20, this could still involve mixing of 5, 6, or 7 households; 10 if it was all childless couples.

When you consider that every household has members who work or in education and they'll all be different to other households making up their 20, that's an awful lot of potential cross infection. Criss cross infection?

I thought the difference was just too great between the two - just your own household or up to 20 people/half a dozen households or more.
Well, they've now closed that difference.

All the province was in yellow at Christmas and it seems people took full advantage of the 'steady 20' and no doubt a bit more.
Once there was enough time for new infections to develop into symptoms and thus testing, we kept breaking records daily for new cases.
We moved into Orange but the case numbers didn't come down when the holiday gatherings infections would have hopefully run their course, nor did they when the move to Orange should have begun to make a difference.

So half the province was moved into Red.

January has seen the Province death figures more than double from Christmas. The new case figure for January is more than the whole of 2020.

Our new case figures have now started to decline but we're still getting more every two days than we were getting in a whole week during December.

Some regions dropped back to Orange. It seems active cases reducing is the reason. It doesn't take much to conclude that a large number of new cases over a sustained period will eventually lead to a large number of (apparent) recoveries/eventual negative tests for those people. And if the rate at which infections have grown slows down, eventually tailing off and actually reducing, then there's going to be a period where active cases fall fairly dramatically and then consistently.

That's good in terms of recovery - putting aside the questions of whether they've really recovered and have no lasting effects.

But it's not a sign of things being back to normal if we're still getting daily infections at a far higher rate than we were before Christmas.

There's actually not a great deal different between Orange and Yellow. The single household - steady 20/several households is the biggest change.

And the province has now announced that in Orange tier, mixing can be extended to include a 'steady 10' which means that new Orange is not so different to Yellow.

They've effectively moved large regions back towards Yellow when the infection rates are worse than when they moved us to Orange.

Sounds like Folly to me.


scrubbedexpat091 Jan 30th 2021 11:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12966172)
Just tried the Omnicalculator for Canada...I'm Sept '21 - Apr '22 :blink:
UK one is around June '21 if I recall, but hopefully much sooner.

I guess Canada is having supply issues. I wonder if there are any politics behind the slow approval on the AZ vax...considering it doesn't seem to be available.

There doesn't seem to be, and its expected to be approved within the next 2 weeks. Health Canada is waiting on AZ final submission on the manufacturing processes, otherwise it seems Health Canada is more or less ready to approve it once they receive the data from the drug maker.


Siouxie Jan 31st 2021 1:13 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12966174)
I tried that link again.

My wife- When it comes to California, we think you’re behind 2.6 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

Me- When it comes to
California, we think you’re behind 31.0 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

Having diabetes seems to really bring one up the ladder in priority.

My dad who is 63- When it comes to
California, we think you’re behind 31.0 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

I tried it for Maine..

Based on your risk profile, we believe you’re in line behind 23.0 million people across the United States.

When it comes to Maine, we think you’re behind 98,000 others who are at higher risk in your state.

And in Oxford County, you’re behind 2,700 others.
and for California

Based on your risk profile, we believe you’re in line behind 23.0 million people across the United States.

When it comes to California, we think you’re behind 2.6 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

And in Napa County, you’re behind 12,100 others.


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