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scrubbedexpat091 Jan 31st 2021 10:29 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
China to temporarily bar foreign nationals arriving from Canada from entering China.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-tem...045804090.html

bats Jan 31st 2021 10:37 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
What happened to Magnum pi? Has he been aroubd? Is he ok?

BristolUK Jan 31st 2021 11:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 12966600)
What happened to Magnum pi? Has he been aroubd? Is he ok?

He's under cover.

scrubbedexpat091 Feb 1st 2021 12:49 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12966610)
He's under cover.

Deep undercover.

Hopefully he is well. His profile indicates his last sign in was middle of December.

Danny B Feb 1st 2021 10:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Sometimes I wish I lived on an island that could block travel to non residents. Lucky buggers

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-eu...f-man-55894179

Danny B Feb 2nd 2021 3:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Captain Sir Tom Moore dies in hospital with coronavirus :(


Siouxie Feb 2nd 2021 6:13 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12967294)
Captain Sir Tom Moore dies in hospital with coronavirus :(

He had been ill with pneumonia for a few weeks - and was only tested last week for Covid .. so which did him in, pneumonia at 100 years old, or Covid? I noticed the media states 'WITH Covid, not OF Covid" - but no doubt it will become 'he died from covid" :(
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...herts-55881753

Captain Sir Tom Moore: 'National inspiration' dies with Covid-19



He tested positive for Covid-19 last week. His family said due to other medication he was receiving for pneumonia, he was unable to be vaccinated.
Sad news, regardless.

Danny B Feb 2nd 2021 8:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12967347)
He had been ill with pneumonia for a few weeks - and was only tested last week for Covid .. so which did him in, pneumonia at 100 years old, or Covid? I noticed the media states 'WITH Covid, not OF Covid" - but no doubt it will become 'he died from covid" :(.

That's the argument people have been making since Feb 2020. Thousands of elderly folk all over the world have been dying in a similar way, but their death certificate says they died from COVID because they tested positive for the virus.

Some Trumpers would go as far to say that if you died in a car accident but had a positive COVID test, you would still be marked as dying from COVID.


scrubbedexpat091 Feb 2nd 2021 8:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Cause of death can be complicated sometimes.


Jerseygirl Feb 2nd 2021 8:22 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12967388)
That's the argument people have been making since Feb 2020. Thousands of elderly folk all over the world have been dying in a similar way, but their death certificate says they died from COVID because they tested positive for the virus.

Some Trumpers would go as far to say that if you died in a car accident but had a positive COVID test, you would still be marked as dying from COVID.


Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12967404)
Cause of death can be complicated sometimes.

​​​​​​​

My father had diabetes from being a young boy. In his early 30’s he had pancreatic cancer. No 1 cause of death on his birth certificate was diabetes millitus, 2nd was pancreatic cancer.

scrubbedexpat091 Feb 2nd 2021 8:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12967409)

My father had diabetes from being a young boy. In his early 30’s he had pancreatic cancer. No 1 cause of death on his birth certificate was diabetes millitus, 2nd was pancreatic cancer.

My grandfather had heart surgery and got an an infection in the breast bone but his cause of death is listed as respiratory failure followed by surgical complications but no mention of the infection that started the chain of events.

My grandmother the medical examiner didn't include a cause of death, just manner of death.

Danny B Feb 2nd 2021 8:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12967404)
Cause of death can be complicated sometimes.

Agreed, but it is important to be able to distinguish between deaths where COVID-19 was a contributory cause from those where COVID-19 was the underlying cause of death.

In the case of poor old Tom, I think it's safe to assume that COVID was a contributory cause, and pneumonia was the underlying cause of his death.


bats Feb 2nd 2021 10:09 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12966627)
Deep undercover.

Hopefully he is well. His profile indicates his last sign in was middle of December.

I've sent him a pm.

Nand Feb 4th 2021 9:58 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Cause of death is dying.

Danny B Feb 4th 2021 2:44 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Despicable.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55932997




caretaker Feb 4th 2021 3:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Despicable
A bit, but so is vaccine producers delaying delivery of what we've already contracted for. The roll out vaccination plans put in place with refrigerated transportation and tiered access depend on getting what we bought.

scrubbedexpat099 Feb 4th 2021 3:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Begs the question why Canada has contracted for 10 shots per person.

Siouxie Feb 4th 2021 3:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12968026)

However...


Other wealthier countries, including New Zealand and Singapore, have requested an early allocation as well.

Most of the first doses available, though, will be delivered to low- and middle-income countries.

Canada contributed $440m (£324m) to Covax in September, half of which secured doses for itself from about nine vaccines candidates.

The other half goes into a pooled fund to buy doses for 20% of the people in 92 low- and middle-income countries.

Shard Feb 4th 2021 4:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12968060)
However...

That's my understanding too, first does are used nationally, and then over-supply (or options) is sold/provided to other countries.

Danny B Feb 4th 2021 4:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12968057)
Begs the question why Canada has contracted for 10 shots per person.

Government is panic buying the vaccine. Similar to the general public being selfish last Spring by buying up all available bog roll and lysol wipes to store in their basement 'just in case'.

That's my theory anyway.

Danny B Feb 4th 2021 4:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12968060)
However...

NZ & Singapore have had a combined total of 55 COVID deaths since the pandemic began. They seem to have the virus under control and can probably afford to wait a few more months for their vaccines to arrive. Makes no sense for them to take stock from Mexico, India or Brazil.




scilly Feb 4th 2021 11:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12968060)
However...

Quote:
Other wealthier countries, including New Zealand and Singapore, have requested an early allocation as well.

Most of the first doses available, though, will be delivered to low- and middle-income countries.
Quote:
Canada contributed $440m (£324m) to Covax in September, half of which secured doses for itself from about nine vaccines candidates.

The other half goes into a pooled fund to buy doses for 20% of the people in 92 low- and middle-income countries.
__________________
Quote:
Other wealthier countries, including New Zealand and Singapore, have requested an early allocation as well.

Most of the first doses available, though, will be delivered to low- and middle-income countries.
Quote:
Canada contributed $440m (£324m) to Covax in September, half of which secured doses for itself from about nine vaccines candidates.

The other half goes into a pooled fund to buy doses for 20% of the people in 92 low- and middle-income countries.
__________________ Quote:
Other wealthier countries, including New Zealand and Singapore, have requested an early allocation as well.

Most of the first doses available, though, will be delivered to low- and middle-income countries.
Quote:
Canada contributed $440m (£324m) to Covax in September, half of which secured doses for itself from about nine vaccines candidates.

The other half goes into a pooled fund to buy doses for 20% of the people in 92 low- and middle-income countries.
__________________


Australia and the UK have also paid the extra amount to receive doses but have not yet taken up the option.

So, Canada is not alone ......... you can call all those countries "despicable", except they have all paid more into the fund to supply middle- and low-income countries.

Jerseygirl Feb 4th 2021 11:13 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Canada is #33 in world for vaccine administered per capita and still sliding down the list.

Ontario has only administered approx 330K doses...population 15 million.

BristolUK Feb 5th 2021 12:20 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12968246)
Canada is #33 in world for vaccine administered per capita and still sliding down the list..

Can't vaccinate people when the delivery of supplies gets postponed. :(

The time to worry is when Canada's place in the vaccine 'league table' is lower than the positions for positive tests and death rates which last time I looked were about 80th and 50th.

Siouxie Feb 5th 2021 3:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by scilly (Post 12968243)
Australia and the UK have also paid the extra amount to receive doses but have not yet taken up the option.

So, Canada is not alone ......... you can call all those countries "despicable", except they have all paid more into the fund to supply middle- and low-income countries.

UMmm you have got the wrong end of the stick and quoting me out of context.. - I wasn't the one calling those countries despicable -

scrubbedexpat099 Feb 5th 2021 4:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I thought I read that the UK will not be taking up its allocation, they were saying that over 50's will all be vaccinated by May in the UK.

scilly Feb 6th 2021 2:29 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12968476)
UMmm you have got the wrong end of the stick and quoting me out of context.. - I wasn't the one calling those countries despicable -

oops ..........

I got that wrong. I didn't mean to say you were calling the countries alsodespicable!!

I got all tangled up intrying to ge tthe correct quotes in place.

Mea culpa!

caretaker Feb 6th 2021 2:54 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
A year ago a lot of people in Canada weren't convinced we were really in trouble. Time flies.

BEVS Feb 6th 2021 3:16 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12968125)
NZ & Singapore have had a combined total of 55 COVID deaths since the pandemic began. They seem to have the virus under control and can probably afford to wait a few more months for their vaccines to arrive. Makes no sense for them to take stock from Mexico, India or Brazil.

OK. So NZ is buying vaccine for South Pacific island nations not just for itself. Maori and Pasifika are considered to be at higher risk in this.


[There are currently no licensed COVID-19 vaccines available in New Zealand although a lot of work is going on to procure safe and effective vaccines. As of December 2020, the New Zealand Government has Advanced Purchasing Agreements (APA) with Pfizer/BioNTech, Janssen, AstraZeneca/Oxford and Novavax. This means there is an arrangement to buy a preplanned number of doses of vaccines from these companies if their vaccines are proven to be safe and effective. Also, as part of a global collaboration called COVAX, New Zealand will have access to additional vaccines.
NZers themselves will not start to have access to any vaccine until the 2nd part of this year. First allocation will be as per

To begin with, we will focus on vaccinating border workers, people working in managed isolation and quarantine facilities, and their close contacts. This is because they are most at risk of getting COVID-19. We are aiming to offer vaccines to this group in the second quarter of 2021 (April, May and June).
I'm a pensioner now. I am not expecting to receive any vaccine for a good 6 months if not more. Husband would be at risk, it is the same for him. So NZ is not getting ahead of the vaccine game via Covax. Not one person in NZ or the pacific is yet vaccinated and won't be for several months.

Shard Feb 7th 2021 12:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12968490)
I thought I read that the UK will not be taking up its allocation, they were saying that over 50's will all be vaccinated by May in the UK.

That's just the first dose. Below 50s need to be vaccinated too.

Danny B Feb 9th 2021 5:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
God damn, the UK has definitely got its shit together when it comes to administering COVID inoculations. Almost 13m so far.





Jerseygirl Feb 9th 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12969900)
God damn, the UK has definitely got its shit together when it comes to administering COVID inoculations. Almost 13m so far.


They do indeed. A relative was phoned today and given an appointment for the vaccine tomorrow. She was 65 two days ago.

Siouxie Feb 9th 2021 6:02 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12969901)
They do indeed. A relative was phoned today and given an appointment for the vaccine tomorrow. She was 65 two days ago.

Good news indeed JG - it seems the UK are categorising the age of people as well as other factors at a much faster rate, unlike Ontario.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/getting-covid-19-vaccine-ontario#phase-2
Increasing stock of vaccines, available to all health care workers, residents in long-term care homes, retirement homes, home care patients with chronic conditions and additional Indigenous communities
Older adults, beginning with those 80 and older and decreasing in five-year increments over the course of the vaccine rollout (the rollout runs until July)

Starting: March 2021


Stage 3
Vaccines available widely across Ontario for anyone who wants to be immunized (depending on availability of vaccines)
Starting: August 2021

scrubbedexpat091 Feb 10th 2021 3:53 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12969900)
God damn, the UK has definitely got its shit together when it comes to administering COVID inoculations. Almost 13m so far.

Good news for them.


Now if we could just get a nice consistent supply to Canada we might be able to catch up a bit.

Appears Astra Zeneca vaccine doesn't work so well against the South African variant, and that exposure to other variants confers no protection against mild or moderate infections by B.1.351.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...eneca-vaccine/

caretaker Feb 10th 2021 6:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12970271)
Now if we could just get a nice consistent supply to Canada we might be able to catch up a bit.

I don't have my glasses on and read that as "get a nice croissant supply". Ok, I thought.

Jerseygirl Feb 10th 2021 8:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12970271)
Now if we could just get a nice consistent supply to Canada we might be able to catch up a bit.


It sure would. I am extremely disillusioned by this government...I am with most really, but particularly right now.

I'm thinking sometime during the summer now for us...hubby reckons Sept/October. :thumbdown:

caretaker Feb 10th 2021 8:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12970402)
It sure would. I am extremely disillusioned by this government...I am with most really, but particularly right now. I'm thinking sometime during the summer now for us...hubby reckons Sept/October. :thumbdown:

The government ordered the vaccines and the manufacturer had a break in production; what do you think the government should have done differently, or in addition? The acquisition of ppe was already a big scandal that still has to be combed through.
I have no idea where I am in line for vaccination, but not going to worry about it. The tweaking of vaccines to counter new strains is sort of a race; development and testing time vs rate of spread, so getting a newer mark in the fall could be beneficial.

Former Lancastrian Feb 10th 2021 9:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Why some want a total travel banA 29-year-old man has been charged after allegedly providing a false COVID-19 test result to inspectors at Toronto's Pearson International Airport.

Peel Regional Police say the incident took place on Monday, Feb. 8. at a Canada Border Services Agency inspection point, where a CBSA officer and public quarantine officer were conducting checks.

"When a man's negative COVID-19 document was revealed to be fraudulent, it was, in fact, a positive test result," police said in a news release Wednesday.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...rson-1.5909286


Shard Feb 11th 2021 2:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
the variant first found in the UK
the variant first found in South Africa
the variant first found in Brazil


Top marks to CBC for political correctness on the UK, SA and Brazil variants !! :rofl:

Kind of makes me nostaligic for hearing about the ChyNA virus !

scrubbedexpat099 Feb 11th 2021 2:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12970639)
the variant first found in the UK
the variant first found in South Africa
the variant first found in Brazil


Top marks to CBC for political correctness on the UK, SA and Brazil variants !! :rofl:

Kind of makes me nostaligic for hearing about the ChyNA virus !

Now you know better than saying that.


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