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Jerseygirl Jan 5th 2021 8:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12954331)
Have JG's granddaughter make a house call and check up on you. :lol:

:lol:



Shard Jan 5th 2021 10:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12954301)
God damn this is getting way worse than last March.

One in 50 people in private households in England had Covid last week - and one in 30 in London.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55550906

Very high isn't it. The March figures are less reliable as there were fewer tests back then. Although the hospital admissions seem to support higher incidence. Just last week I had a friend messaging me about how it all seems a bit exaggerated. Over 60,000 new cases today.

BEVS Jan 5th 2021 10:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12954264)
I got my negative test result back in less than 48 hrs, but I think I'll stay home in my pajamas and eat and drink for an extra day just to be on the safe side.

Good move .

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 5th 2021 10:44 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
The article is loosely based on COVID, just thought this particular comments form the judge on the provinces health orders is interesting, people always bickering over the orders as different people tend to interpret them differently, so one group does this and another screams its against health orders. Travel within BC for example, they suggest no non-essential travel but there is no ban, but some interpret the suggestion of no non-essential travel as being a ban on travel when that is not the case.

In this case seems the ex-wife of a man felt he and his partner were violating the COVID health rules due to his partner being married and also spending time with her spouse, apparently in an open marriage.

Judge had this to say about the health orders:

"The messaging accompanying these orders, and indeed the language of the orders themselves, is fraught with inconsistency and ambiguity," Kent wrote.

"It is not surprising that reasonable people can disagree about their interpretation and application in any given circumstance."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ovid-1.5861164


scrubbedexpat091 Jan 5th 2021 11:09 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Only 428 new cases in BC today, 8 deaths, 367 in hospital of which 77 are in ICU

As of Jan. 4, B.C. had received 54,625 doses of vaccine.

A mink farmer
euthanized all 1,000 mink on the farm after COVID was detected in some animals.

Haven't seen a surge yet, and being 10 days after Christmas this might be a good sign, vast majority will become ill within the first 10 days, and we seem to still be on the downward trend.

Jerseygirl Jan 5th 2021 11:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12954264)
I got my negative test result back in less than 48 hrs, but I think I'll stay home in my pajamas and eat and drink for an extra day just to be on the safe side.

Good news :thumbsup:



scrubbedexpat091 Jan 6th 2021 10:09 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Data suggests more people died in the first 10 months of the pandemic in BC than died from influenza in the 10 years between 2009 and 2019.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-has-record...-flu-1.5255084


scrubbedexpat091 Jan 7th 2021 12:53 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Revelstoke a small town in BC has an outbreak, the source they do not know, but per capita the small town has one of the highest case loads at the moment.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...2020-1.5863790

I see Quebec is going to have a curfew from 8pm to 5am.


Jerseygirl Jan 7th 2021 4:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
The numbers in Ontario are steadily climbing. 3,519 cases yesterday, 89 deaths. 1 in 5 kids under 13 tested positive during December. School openings are already delayed...another announcement due this afternoon. Looks like the kids will be learning from home for quite a bit longer.

Shard Jan 7th 2021 4:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Care home in Sussex. 13 of 27 residents dead since Xmas. The smaller descriptive stats do seem to have more resonance than the national stats (1100+ deaths in UK yesterday).

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 7th 2021 6:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12955332)
Care home in Sussex. 13 of 27 residents dead since Xmas. The smaller descriptive stats do seem to have more resonance than the national stats (1100+ deaths in UK yesterday).

The legal consequences could result in the end of the private care sector.

BristolUK Jan 7th 2021 6:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12955332)
Care home in Sussex. 13 of 27 residents dead since Xmas. The smaller descriptive stats do seem to have more resonance than the national stats (1100+ deaths in UK yesterday).

Mind you, there are one or two posters who would say it doesn't matter because they would have died next Tuesday anyway. :(

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 7th 2021 7:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12955430)
The legal consequences could result in the end of the private care sector.

The government run ones in Canada don't seem much if any better than the private ones.

Not sure what the solution is to prevent spread in care homes, in BC they still don't know why some homes seem to have more spread than others with in theory all should be following the same protocols. The staff have and always will be the weak link in the chain of prevention, only way seems to be to lock staff and residents in and nobody in or out, but that isn't realistic.


printer Jan 7th 2021 10:51 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12954918)
Revelstoke a small town in BC has an outbreak, the source they do not know, but per capita the small town has one of the highest case loads at the moment.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...2020-1.5863790

I see Quebec is going to have a curfew from 8pm to 5am.

I seem to remember a while back someone in Revelstoke complaining that the motel parking lots were full of Albertan trucks with their snow mobiles. Tiny town with big winter activities if you like snow. Of course technically we shouldn't be travelling but unless they make it law and enforce it who is listening?

caretaker Jan 7th 2021 11:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12955548)
I seem to remember a while back someone in Revelstoke complaining that the motel parking lots were full of Albertan trucks with their snow mobiles. Tiny town with big winter activities if you like snow. Of course technically we shouldn't be travelling but unless they make it law and enforce it who is listening?

A few big Christmas parties might push the numbers like that. My first memories of Revelstoke are the motel we stayed in one night when I was a kid. Maybe $8/night, light housekeeping so stove, kitchen sink and fridge, and this eerie red glowing cone in the sawmill across the highway, burning all the trim all night and stinking up the town. I got run out of Revelstoke once too, but that's another story.

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 8th 2021 12:02 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Vaccination progress across Canada.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...1aadeaea61.png
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...aa1737963b.png
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...6978e20fc7.png

Jerseygirl Jan 8th 2021 12:06 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
I read that as...’Vacation progress across Canada’ and thought WTF. The world’s going to hell in a hand basket...who cares about vacation days in Canada. :lol:

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 8th 2021 12:13 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12955568)
I read that as...’Vacation progress across Canada’ and thought WTF. The world’s going to hell in a hand basket...who cares about vacation days in Canada. :lol:

:rofl:

Sounds like something I would do, I often see the wrong word first time around til my brain figures it out...ha ha

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 8th 2021 12:30 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
New cases in BC by health region.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0d5f4c12c0.png


Jingsamichty Jan 8th 2021 8:11 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12955568)
I read that as...’Vacation progress across Canada’ and thought WTF. The world’s going to hell in a hand basket...who cares about vacation days in Canada. :lol:


I don't know what it's like in Canada but here in the UK there are plenty of TV adverts for summer holidays and plenty of celebs posting photos from Dubai and plenty of idiots still keen to go on holiday... it's absolutely mental. What is wrong with people that, in the midst of all this utter chaos, all they can think about is jetting off on holiday?

Jingsamichty Jan 8th 2021 8:16 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12955434)
Mind you, there are one or two posters who would say it doesn't matter because they would have died next Tuesday anyway. :(

This is the reason I think it is madness to include care home residents in the first wave of vaccinations - by and large they don't go anywhere, but the care home workers do. The first priority for vaccinations should be key workers in public facing jobs - care home workers, NHS staff, teachers, transport workers, shop workers, food production workers... not elderly people who are easy to isolate. They are a priority, certainly, but not the top priority.

caretaker Jan 8th 2021 8:28 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Vaccinate the residents that don't have covid yet
or they're probably going to get it and die. They don't go anywhere outside the building but they give it to others inside. The numbers speak for themselves.

Jingsamichty Jan 8th 2021 8:33 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
I don't disagree, but this is a triage-type situation. People who are already isolating aren't top priority - people who have no choice but to engage in face-to-face contact are, and that means the care home workers not the residents. The residents are priority 2 not priority 1.

caretaker Jan 8th 2021 8:44 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Care home residents are isolated from those outside, not from each other or their carers. They are dying right now because of insufficient staffing but also because there is no way to keep them from being exposed. I'm not going to bother arguing with you.
edit; not all care homes are created equal. My co-worker's dad was in Extendicare Parkside (which became a covid hell-hole) but she was able to get him into another place in a smaller home in a town outside of the city. Nobody in or out other than staff, strict protocols, and no outbreak there. Not like Parkside where the staff and client infections are nearly equal. The Parkside residents who haven't got it yet are waiting to get it, and those who have it but haven't died yet are largely waiting to die. It isn't the only or even the worst place in the country.

Jingsamichty Jan 8th 2021 10:03 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
I'm not arguing with you, simply stating my opinion.There is no right or wrong answer in these cases because we can all cite examples which support our own view, which then makes the position subjective. It's very difficult to take an objective position when there's personal opinion involved.


BristolUK Jan 8th 2021 2:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12955638)
I don't know what it's like in Canada but here in the UK there are plenty of TV adverts for summer holidays and plenty of celebs posting photos from Dubai and plenty of idiots still keen to go on holiday... it's absolutely mental. What is wrong with people that, in the midst of all this utter chaos, all they can think about is jetting off on holiday?

Covid livid: Canadian fury at leaders' holidays

mdonald1987 Jan 8th 2021 3:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12955641)
This is the reason I think it is madness to include care home residents in the first wave of vaccinations - by and large they don't go anywhere, but the care home workers do. The first priority for vaccinations should be key workers in public facing jobs - care home workers, NHS staff, teachers, transport workers, shop workers, food production workers... not elderly people who are easy to isolate. They are a priority, certainly, but not the top priority.

Is it not the case that the evidence suggests the vaccine makes you less virulent, not less transmissible? Even those that have had the vaccine could be passing it on without knowing. So for me, it would make sense to vaccinate the residents first, with healthcare workers second. HCW’s *should* also know PPE protocol and limit the transmission from themselves effectively.

abner Jan 8th 2021 3:29 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12955641)
This is the reason I think it is madness to include care home residents in the first wave of vaccinations - by and large they don't go anywhere, but the care home workers do. The first priority for vaccinations should be key workers in public facing jobs - care home workers, NHS staff, teachers, transport workers, shop workers, food production workers... not elderly people who are easy to isolate. They are a priority, certainly, but not the top priority.

"not elderly people who are easy to isolate." And yet, there have already--notoriously--been monumental failures of isolation for precisely these elderly people, and they are at *substantially* greater risk of premature death when such isolation breaches occur, compared to any younger cohort. It is certainly not "madness" to make their protection a very high priority.

While none of the groups you mention are unimportant or not at considerable risk, I'd re-rank immediate vaccine eligibility as: NHS staff, care home workers, care home residents, and then other 'essential' public-facing workers. (And in saying so, I'm downgrading my own relative priority on your ranked list--I'm willing to 'take my medicine' after the oldies are protected.)

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 8th 2021 4:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12955638)
I don't know what it's like in Canada but here in the UK there are plenty of TV adverts for summer holidays and plenty of celebs posting photos from Dubai and plenty of idiots still keen to go on holiday... it's absolutely mental. What is wrong with people that, in the midst of all this utter chaos, all they can think about is jetting off on holiday?

The airlines have been advertising and encouraging travel, using social media influencers too, and offering incentives along with free COVID travel insurance coverage.

I can't really blame the airlines, they have gotten really no support from the Canadian government and can only raise so much money from private entities, and well they have a business to run and keep alive. Its a hard spot for airlines, they need people to fly, when people shouldn't be flying.


Siouxie Jan 8th 2021 6:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Paramedics / ambulance crew should be included in those receiving the 1st wave of vaccines.. they are the first to see many of the people who are in a desperate situation from Covid and are placed at risk because of it... Ontario have just recognised that, thankfully.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...lans-1.5252953

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 8th 2021 7:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12955941)
Paramedics / ambulance crew should be included in those receiving the 1st wave of vaccines.. they are the first to see many of the people who are in a desperate situation from Covid and are placed at risk because of it... Ontario have just recognised that, thankfully.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...lans-1.5252953


Paramedics are in the first priority group in BC, but there are a lot of people in that group and unless vaccines start to roll in quicker, not entirely confident they will be able to maintain the anticipated schedule of having the first priority group vaccinated by end of next month, but hopefully more doses continue to arrive in larger numbers.

J&J if all goes well plans to submit their emergency use application in the US early to mid February, so hopefully Canada wont be too far behind in approving them, they have a 1 dose vaccine so that makes it easier logistically as well.

All the time tables seem to be based on having at least 3 vaccines approved, only 2 approved so far, but once AstraZeneca is approved, hopefully that will help speed up doses arriving.

The first groups to get vaccinated between December and February include:
  • residents, staff and essential visitors to long-term care and assisted-living residences.
  • individuals in hospital or community awaiting a long term care placement
  • health care workers providing care for COVID-19 patients in settings like Intensive Care Units, emergency departments, medical/surgical units and paramedics.
  • remote and isolated First Nations communities.

From February to March, the immunization program will expand to include:
  • community-based seniors, age 80 and above; Indigenous (First Nations, Métis, Inuit) seniors, age 65 and above, and Indigenous elders.
  • people experiencing homelessness and/or using shelters.
  • provincial correctional facilities.
  • adults in group homes or mental health residential care.
  • long term home support recipients and staff.
  • hospital staff, community GPs and medical specialists.
  • Indigenous communities not vaccinated in first priority group.

caretaker Jan 8th 2021 8:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I just watched Trudeau's pep talk and it's a little discouraging. He's talking about hundreds of doses per week per province over the next week or two instead of thousands, and the shipments coming in February (he says we have more doses per capita confirmed to be coming than any other country) is supposed to allow accelerated vaccinations. The plan is to have every person in Canada vaccinated by September. I like the sound of April more, but it doesn't sound like that's going to happen. :(



Jerseygirl Jan 8th 2021 8:29 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12955998)
I just watched Trudeau's pep talk and it's a little discouraging. He's talking about hundreds of doses per week per province over the next week or two instead of thousands, and the shipments coming in February (he says we have more doses per capita confirmed to be coming than any other country) is supposed to allow accelerated vaccinations. The plan is to have every person in Canada vaccinated by September. I like the sound of April more, but it doesn't sound like that's going to happen. :(

It said on our local channel it will take 2 to 3 years to vaccinate everyone in Canada at this rate. :(

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 8th 2021 8:29 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12955998)
I just watched Trudeau's pep talk and it's a little discouraging. He's talking about hundreds of doses per week per province over the next week or two instead of thousands, and the shipments coming in February (he says we have more doses per capita confirmed to be coming than any other country) is supposed to allow accelerated vaccinations. The plan is to have every person in Canada vaccinated by September. I like the sound of April more, but it doesn't sound like that's going to happen. :(

Canada may have ordered more per capita, but seems other countries made better deals on actual delivery. Having more ordered doesn't mean much if the delivery is so slow and staggered.

I will be pleasantly surprised if we meet the everyone by September time frame.

Chart for change in employment in Dec 2020 compared to Feb 2020, most industries still not doing well.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...7664523e97.png

BristolUK Jan 8th 2021 9:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12955998)
I just watched Trudeau's pep talk and it's a little discouraging. He's talking about hundreds of doses per week per province over the next week or two instead of thousands, and the shipments coming in February (he says we have more doses per capita confirmed to be coming than any other country) is supposed to allow accelerated vaccinations. The plan is to have every person in Canada vaccinated by September. I like the sound of April more, but it doesn't sound like that's going to happen. :(

In terms of orders, I believe Canada is more advanced than most.


Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12956006)
It said on our local channel it will take 2 to 3 years to vaccinate everyone in Canada at this rate. :(

Two factors. The current rate is slow because it's for - for want of a better expression - the select few. Not to mention it's a new game.

The early supplies are also of the type with limited storage capability as it has to be kept at -70c or whatever it is. In NB, so far, they've only done it in two centres because of that. With the later supplies and normal refrigeration practice and having it in more placec means it will go quicker.

It's like those computer download bars that take 10 minutes to move from 5% to 10% and then 2 minutes later it's at 98%. :lol:

Seriously, I saw a graph today or yesterday showing how many vaccines countries had received and how many done. Canada's rate seemed in line with all the other countries; the only differences being the bars for a handful of other countries looked better because of more doses/greater population.

printer Jan 8th 2021 10:11 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12956043)
In terms of orders, I believe Canada is more advanced than most.


Two factors. The current rate is slow because it's for - for want of a better expression - the select few. Not to mention it's a new game.

The early supplies are also of the type with limited storage capability as it has to be kept at -70c or whatever it is. In NB, so far, they've only done it in two centres because of that. With the later supplies and normal refrigeration practice and having it in more placec means it will go quicker.

It's like those computer download bars that take 10 minutes to move from 5% to 10% and then 2 minutes later it's at 98%. :lol:

Seriously, I saw a graph today or yesterday showing how many vaccines countries had received and how many done. Canada's rate seemed in line with all the other countries; the only differences being the bars for a handful of other countries looked better because of more doses/greater population.

So what is the bottom line here do we think? The UK press had noted a comment by some professor the other day stating that they may well still have restrictions of some sort still happening for the next two winters as there is no quick way out vaccine or not. Clearly it's going to be a slow roll out as they get used to the logistics of it all and clearly vaccinating a few million is only the tip of the iceberg so to speak. I think i read somewhere that we need at least 75% of the population vaccinated to make a difference and relax restrictions. We know that things will generally improve as the weather improves so this will be a help.

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 8th 2021 10:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...land-say-heads

I thought this was interesting, the funny thing is that the Guardian was one of the sources pushing for Schools to be available for those with needs. Sort of backfired.


One headteacher reported that a parent whose job was a dog-walker claimed to qualify as a key worker because many of the dogs’ owners were NHS staff.

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 8th 2021 10:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12956052)
So what is the bottom line here do we think? The UK press had noted a comment by some professor the other day stating that they may well still have restrictions of some sort still happening for the next two winters as there is no quick way out vaccine or not. Clearly it's going to be a slow roll out as they get used to the logistics of it all and clearly vaccinating a few million is only the tip of the iceberg so to speak. I think i read somewhere that we need at least 75% of the population vaccinated to make a difference and relax restrictions. We know that things will generally improve as the weather improves so this will be a help.

Agree, no quick or easy fix. Now what is Society's threshold, that is the issue.

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 8th 2021 10:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Its not fully updated, but progress as of last update.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...ecdd8f273a.png


caretaker Jan 8th 2021 10:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
It's probably all about logical progressions; they can't order vaccines until they're approved, then they can only order as many as are available, and then they can only have them delivered when they're ready to ship. It looks like the plan is to ramp up delivery and thus facilitate rate of vaccination over the next couple of months. In Saskatchewan I think the plan is giving it to front line health care workers and seniors first, but they also sent a bunch to Prince Albert for distribution in northern communities. They have been particularly hard hit, with cases where half a small town or reserve can be infected at once. Predictions in November were that the rate of vaccination would speed up rapidly after the initial roll out, and that is still possible. 180,000 doses were allocated for Saskatchewan, and there are over a million people in the province, so there should be some fast action over the summer.


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