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Old Jan 24th 2006, 5:31 am
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The other thread was getting very long and had of late gone WAY OFF topic so I've closed it and started this one.

The old thread will still be available to read but will no longer be open for posts.

Please continue your discussion here. [Hi there, this is my first time using the forum. I would like to get in touch with other people who bought land in Costa Esuri. We have a plot and are really looking forward to building on it. Does anybody know when we are due to complete?
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Hi

We are also buying a plot and were due to complete Dec 2005, this has been delayed we are told until end February/March but as we are nearly at the end of January and were also told we would be give 1 months notice to get funds into place etc and inspect plot even this date could be put back as we have not heard a thing.

We will chase our lawyer and Fadesa this week though for latest progress report and will let you know.

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We are also buying a plot and were due to complete Dec 2005, this has been delayed we are told until end February/March but as we are nearly at the end of January and were also told we would be give 1 months notice to get funds into place etc and inspect plot even this date could be put back as we have not heard a thing.

We will chase our lawyer and Fadesa this week though for latest progress report and will let you know.

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I spoke to the shed today on the phone to ask if I do my snagging in 2 weeks when I would be in Ayamonte (dec 3 to 6). But was told I would not be able to snag or get into my townhouse on manzana 6 until late march early april. Because they would be doing manzana 1 to 4 first and then manzana 5 and 6. Its starting to annoy me now
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Hi Sharon, we were out there last weekend,went to see our house which has been finished since June last year. :scared: They are still doing the roads in & around the Manzanas, the planting of the kerb-sides & communal areas are taking shape.It looks to me that Man.1,2 &3 are nearer to completion than the rest,having said that they have knocked down garden walls on Man 3 to get to the pool area. As to the rest of the site the apartments look finished, couldn`t see much of the village as they have plastic screens up.
Not much change on either golf course, apart from the wild grass which is flying up due to the recent rains. I have to say that if I had bought a plot I would have been on Fadesa`s doorstep by now

On a lighter note, we met up with our founder, Benny & Sam, for a few
who took us to the restaurant La Bretagne just by the marina Isla canela, superb French cooking.
Anyway we are out again at the end of March, let`s hope things have moved on by then. the only pic I took was of the (crack) at the Paradore.
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Hi P Tinks,

Yes we feel that way, but reading the contract all the ace's are Fadesa's and even if we could somehow force their hand to give us possession of the plot they could still change levels on the fairway quite dramatically and there would be no comeback. We are just stuck with it.

Hope to meet Sam and Benny when we are over for a few jars.

The "crack" does not look like 300mm to me but then things do tend to be exaggerated by the newspapers the world over.

Regards,

John.


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Not much change on either golf course, apart from the wild grass which is flying up due to the recent rains. I have to say that if I had bought a plot I would have been on Fadesa`s doorstep by now

On a lighter note, we met up with our founder, Benny & Sam, for a few
who took us to the restaurant La Bretagne just by the marina Isla canela, superb French cooking.
Anyway we are out again at the end of March, let`s hope things have moved on by then. the only pic I took was of the (crack) at the Paradore.
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I spoke to the shed today on the phone to ask if I do my snagging in 2 weeks when I would be in Ayamonte (dec 3 to 6). But was told I would not be able to snag or get into my townhouse on manzana 6 until late march early april. Because they would be doing manzana 1 to 4 first and then manzana 5 and 6. Its starting to annoy me now
I'd just like to say that we're over 3-6 Feb, not Dec!
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Hi tednsharon,

Hope to see you in the Suger Reef!

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I'd just like to say that we're over 3-6 Feb, not Dec!
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Hi John,

In my last note I was referring to planning permission. I've been reliably informed (my wife is a local girl and is well connected in Huelva) and because of legal reasons I have to remain fairly unspecific, that Fadesa are stalling. We've been given similar stories you've experienced from Fadesa, as to why a completion date is not forthcoming.

Allegedly, Madrid are stalling giving planning permission to Fadesa because a an area of land that was set aside for infrastructure ie; fire service, ambulance, hospital, public transport, schools etc...has been sold off to a separate developer, outside of Fadesa's control by a high ranking official in Ayamonte Town Hall. Think about it, we've all been 'round the area, there's no sign of anything relating to infrastructure.

Madrid are withholding planning permission because of the strain an extra 10,000 new dwellings will have on all local amenities.

Now you'd think that all Fadesa had to do was to buy more rustic land and allocate it for infrastructure. 'Not that easy. Madrid are under pressure not to release any more land above the National for development. Hence the delay from Fadesa.

Your lawyers are mostly correct, but section 5 states that "hand over of the land will be done with planning permission according to the Planning Permission Project". This means Fadesa will only release the land for development once planning permission is approved. They have covered themselves in this paragraph by keeping it vague.

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Hi Mattmar,

I think your friend is both right and wrong. I used a leading firm of London Solicitors who specialise in the Spanish market to act for me when I completed the "Private Contract" and they reported a clean bill of health on all aspects of the approvals. In English terms Fadesa have gained overall approval for the site and the plots but it is the responsibility of each owner to submit for, and gain approval, to his individual plot design.

However to do this you need to submit detailed drawings to the college of architects in Huelva and this is not possible without further information from Fadesa. They need to tell us what the finished levels will be at the front and back of the site, where the corners of the plot will be and finally allow our representative to drill boreholes to determine ground bearing conditions.

So far Fadesa have adamantly refused to give out this information and will not allow my architect to "get" this information for himself. They must have it to even think of starting a development of this magnitude and complexity but they will not allow the information to be used by us.

They have told me this is because they do not want hordes of individual builders on site just when they, the developer, are putting maximum effort and resources into finishing their builds.

So it is manana for us "plotters".

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Hi mattar,

You have the advantage on me with a Spanish wife and genuine Spanish developers as friends.

A long time back I posted my dictionary translation of the Plan Key to the various areas allocated by Fadesa for the ancillary uses. I have attached this file. You can see that there are lots of areas set aside for non-residential use.

As far as I could tell when I was last over there the areas for non -residential are still lying fallow. In particular areas S 1&2 is where the large temporary workshop facility used by the muckshift contractor is located and would be ideal as a central place for a fire station.

Regards,

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Hi John,

In my last note I was referring to planning permission. I've been reliably informed (my wife is a local girl and is well connected in Huelva) and because of legal reasons I have to remain fairly unspecific, that Fadesa are stalling. We've been given similar stories you've experienced from Fadesa, as to why a completion date is not forthcoming.

Allegedly, Madrid are stalling giving planning permission to Fadesa because a an area of land that was set aside for infrastructure ie; fire service, ambulance, hospital, public transport, schools etc...has been sold off to a separate developer, outside of Fadesa's control by a high ranking official in Ayamonte Town Hall. Think about it, we've all been 'round the area, there's no sign of anything relating to infrastructure.

Madrid are withholding planning permission because of the strain an extra 10,000 new dwellings will have on all local amenities.

Now you'd think that all Fadesa had to do was to buy more rustic land and allocate it for infrastructure. 'Not that easy. Madrid are under pressure not to release any more land above the National for development. Hence the delay from Fadesa.

Your lawyers are mostly correct, but section 5 states that "hand over of the land will be done with planning permission according to the Planning Permission Project". This means Fadesa will only release the land for development once planning permission is approved. They have covered themselves in this paragraph by keeping it vague.

Kind regards

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Hi mattar,

You have the advantage on me with a Spanish wife and genuine Spanish developers as friends.

A long time back I posted my dictionary translation of the Plan Key to the various areas allocated by Fadesa for the ancillary uses. I have attached this file. You can see that there are lots of areas set aside for non-residential use.

As far as I could tell when I was last over there the areas for non -residential are still lying fallow. In particular areas S 1&2 is where the large temporary workshop facility used by the muckshift contractor is located and would be ideal as a central place for a fire station.

Regards,

John.
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Do you mean the large "marquee" type structure where the workmen have their lunch opposite the townhouses on RVA4? If so, I hope they don't put the firestation there because that'll be just outside my front door! :scared: We have been led to believe (?) that it would be left as a social/green area. Anyone else been told anything about this "social area"?

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I'd just like to say that we're over 3-6 Feb, not Dec!
Sharon
We went over to CE on 12 to 14 jan and got to see inside our townhouse
on RVA4 M6.We had our rep (Superior) book it for us with the shed. I must admit when we got there they were totally underwhelmed by our arrival but
a nice chap did take us up there and let us in to look around and take some pix, but no snagging.We also look over the tent they use for the workers canteen and I asked the guy what they were going to put there and he was vague and said it would be a social area but not forthcoming as to what would be placed there ie grassed over, tennis courts etc he didnt mention fire station but then again he wouldnt would he.He also said that snagging would be Feb and completion March, official line at that time I guess.From the work that I see that still needed to be done and current form of Fedesa
to treat us all like mushrooms I would think April/May is where my money is being placed on.Whish is a shame as I am going over there at Easter for a week and probably be camping out in the workers canteen for the duration.
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Sorry Shirley, the Tent is already booked for Easter, but I am open to any reasonable offer
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Hi John,

Great plan, 'looks like we're neighbours!

Yes the plan shows allocated areas, but like I said in my last note, it has been sold ( by the high ranking official in Ayamonte, for a large sum direct into his back pocket, allegedly) under Fadesa's noses to a separate contractor, and not for infrastructure, which is why we're all being given the run-around by Fadesa, whilst they try and sort out this little nightmare. But you'll never get them to officially recognise that as the problem, because it means they've sold us rustic land as a parcela and under false pretenses, rendering void our contracts with them.

We like you would just like to get on with it and build our house.

Kind regards

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Hi mattar,

You have the advantage on me with a Spanish wife and genuine Spanish developers as friends.

A long time back I posted my dictionary translation of the Plan Key to the various areas allocated by Fadesa for the ancillary uses. I have attached this file. You can see that there are lots of areas set aside for non-residential use.

As far as I could tell when I was last over there the areas for non -residential are still lying fallow. In particular areas S 1&2 is where the large temporary workshop facility used by the muckshift contractor is located and would be ideal as a central place for a fire station.

Regards,

John.

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Shirley, Anthony & P Tinks

We are going out just B4 Easter with my son and his girlfriend - how many can fit in the tent ? I'll have the kettle on for you all !!

Mel and John

PS Again a big big thank you to all the photo takers
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I'm confused Are you stating that a section of the urbanisation known as Costa Esuri has been sold off separately? If so are you stating that the official owned Parts of Costa Esuri Personally (on the basis that you can only sell what you own!) ? My belief was it was sold to Fadesa via a British owned holding company? If the official did not own the land (highly likely) then recourse is to the official via the company that was 'sold' something that was not available to sell. If the council owned the land - then again - it was not his to sell. It would be strange if the official just 'happened' to own those elements earmarked for infrastructure. It will all get sorted.....

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Hi John,

Great plan, 'looks like we're neighbours!

Yes the plan shows allocated areas, but like I said in my last note, it has been sold ( by the high ranking official in Ayamonte, for a large sum direct into his back pocket, allegedly) under Fadesa's noses to a separate contractor, and not for infrastructure, which is why we're all being given the run-around by Fadesa, whilst they try and sort out this little nightmare. But you'll never get them to officially recognise that as the problem, because it means they've sold us rustic land as a parcela and under false pretenses, rendering void our contracts with them.

We like you would just like to get on with it and build our house.

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Sorry, folks, but my worried brain has got to ask this question:
Has anyone asked whether each manzana/comunidad owns the pool & gardens area (aside from the individual gardens, naturally)? I heard of an apartment complex in Portugal where the developer owned the pool & gardens. Last summer, the pool was closed to the apartment owners. Do you think that if Fadesa were not to sell all apartments in a manzana, they might act in such a way?
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