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scrubbedexpat091 Aug 13th 2020 11:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
78 new cases in the last 24 hours
Total active cases 578
9 in hospital and 4 in ICU
New outbreak at Okanagan Correctional Centre due to 3 staff members.

Most cases still linked to young people with exposure coming from events in the community. (I think this is government talk for parties.)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...t-13-1.5685525

Danny B Aug 14th 2020 1:04 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12896360)
All the stats for BC on one website (official) - https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...9e3cda29297ded
8 currently in hospital - 5 in ICU

My maths is pretty bad, but out of a population of 5m isn't 5 in ICU 0.0001%

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 14th 2020 3:14 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Hopefully the contact tracing works and the curve slows downward a bit.

"British Columbia's COVID-19 curve is now climbing at a higher rate than the initial outbreak in March, and new provincial modelling shows B.C. could see a second wave bigger than the first by September."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...t-13-1.5685525



Stumpylegs Aug 14th 2020 7:54 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12896537)
Hopefully the contact tracing works and the curve slows downward a bit.

"British Columbia's COVID-19 curve is now climbing at a higher rate than the initial outbreak in March, and new provincial modelling shows B.C. could see a second wave bigger than the first by September."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...t-13-1.5685525

Looking at that, surely a decision needs to be made now as to whether to lock down/go back to phase 1/2.

Whilst I'm only keeping half an eye on figures for BC it would appear to me at the current trend first wave numbers will be exceeded in days not weeks (especially as its now the weekend again).


caretaker Aug 14th 2020 12:13 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12896583)
Looking at that, surely a decision needs to be made now as to whether to lock down/go back to phase 1/2.

Whilst I'm only keeping half an eye on figures for BC it would appear to me at the current trend first wave numbers will be exceeded in days not weeks (especially as its now the weekend again).

Saskatchewan's case numbers show an increase but most continue to be in communal living settings (Hutterite Colonies). There have been a few infected people traced to box stores (2 that I shopped in, but not at the same time!). As more cases are reported in Regina (and partly thanks to the Walmart mask rule), people who weren't interested in masks and hand sanitizer before, are now acquiring them. Also, if the province can't fine-tune the school opening plan into something sensible, the teachers might hold a strike vote to try to force the issue.
Overall in many ways we're better prepared for a second wave than we were for the first one, but for the businesses that have gone under or are struggling, and for those who no longer have jobs, government supplements will still be necessary, and they don't grow on trees. We're trying to lay out a social distanced seating plan for the venue where I work, but there won't be any hope of turning a profit in the near future (that I can see).
https://leaderpost.com/news/saskatch...-92aa0cf3a4d1/

Stumpylegs Aug 14th 2020 2:04 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12896634)
Saskatchewan's case numbers show an increase but most continue to be in communal living settings (Hutterite Colonies). There have been a few infected people traced to box stores (2 that I shopped in, but not at the same time!). As more cases are reported in Regina (and partly thanks to the Walmart mask rule), people who weren't interested in masks and hand sanitizer before, are now acquiring them. Also, if the province can't fine-tune the school opening plan into something sensible, the teachers might hold a strike vote to try to force the issue.
Overall in many ways we're better prepared for a second wave than we were for the first one, but for the businesses that have gone under or are struggling, and for those who no longer have jobs, government supplements will still be necessary, and they don't grow on trees. We're trying to lay out a social distanced seating plan for the venue where I work, but there won't be any hope of turning a profit in the near future (that I can see).
https://leaderpost.com/news/saskatch...-92aa0cf3a4d1/

Same as my county in the UK, we had 21 new cases but 19 were in a single traveller camp.

SK seems to have been fairly stable, but BC which has had remarkably low cases from what I can tell, is now back at levels not seen since late April.

Given the fact that more mixing, less social distancing seems to be a given at the weekends and cases will continue to peak for several days after a lock down - it feels to me like BC needs to make that decision pretty sharpish if they want to drive numbers down (or alternatively whether they want to stay open for business in the current state but not open up further).

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 14th 2020 4:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...a150adae82.jpg

Pulaski Aug 14th 2020 4:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12896741)

Yes and no. Unless the 34 people live in an isolated community, 34 people is as good as fully connected to the entire city/ region that Riley lives in. The further people in your actual bubble are away from the mini-bubble you think you're in, the more porous the skin of the bubble will be. That is behind the Pulaski family's decision to rigorously maintain our three-person bubble, with as few trips for essential supplies as possible, and no non-essential contact, or trips for purely leisure or entertainment.

This has meant fobbing-off Mrs P's parents who wanted to spend the night recently, but while they seem to have been fairly careful, they are attending a church, and were on their way to a wedding in another state, meaning toilet stops, restaurant meals, at least one hotel, not to mention the wedding itself. As they are well past retirement age, both have some health issues, and my FIL some fairly serious ones, I am surprised at their lack of concern, though neither are educated in matters of biology/ medicine, or science in general, but in any case we don't want to join their open-ended bubble. :(

Pulaski Aug 14th 2020 4:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12896741)
[Riley's 34 person bubble.]

Yes and no. Unless the 34 people live in an isolated community, 34 people is as good as fully connected to the entire city/ region that Riley lives in. The further people in your actual bubble are away from the mini-bubble you think you're in, the more porous the skin of the bubble will be. That is behind the Pulaski family's decision to rigorously maintain our three-person bubble, with as few trips for essential supplies as possible, and no non-essential contact, or trips for purely leisure or entertainment.

This has meant fobbing-off Mrs P's parents who wanted to spend the night recently, but while they seem to have been fairly careful, they are attending a church, and were on their way to a wedding in another state, meaning toilet stops, restaurant meals, at least one hotel, not to mention the wedding itself. As they are well past retirement age, both have some health issues, and my FIL some fairly serious ones. I am surprised at their lack of concern, though perhaps I shouldn't be as neither are educated in matters of biology/ medicine, or science in general, but in any case we don't want to join their open-ended bubble. :(

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 14th 2020 4:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
This is an example of what is fueling the spread in BC currently.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video-shows-pa...club-1.5063998

Siouxie Aug 14th 2020 5:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12896741)

:goodpost:
Thanks for that - I was trying to explain to a 'friend' why just because her friends don't show symptoms it doesn't make it ok to sit around having lunch and drinks together (6 of them, around 2 small tables - no social distancing going on at all - and 20 photos of what a lovely time they all had together..) - I tried letting her know about social bubbles and that her social bubble just grew exponentially - this is perfect, so I'll be sending her this one to explain perhaps better than I did! :D


Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12896747)
Yes and no. Unless the 34 people live in an isolated community, 34 people is as good as fully connected to the entire city/ region that Riley lives in. The further people in your actual bubble are away from the mini-bubble you think you're in, the more porous the skin of the bubble will be. That is behind the Pulaski family's decision to rigorously maintain our three-person bubble, with as few trips for essential supplies as possible, and no non-essential contact, or trips for purely leisure or entertainment.

Exactly! The people I mentioned should know better, they are all in their 70's - 2 of them with diabetes, 3 of them with other health issues.. but no, having lunch was so much more important than keeping safe.

Former Lancastrian Aug 14th 2020 6:23 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
US/Canada land border closed for another 30 days until 21 September.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 14th 2020 6:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12896794)
US/Canada land border closed for another 30 days until 21 September.

And in a month it will be til October :rofl:


BristolUK Aug 14th 2020 7:16 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12896794)
US/Canada land border closed for another 30 days until 21 September.

What are you doing, holding card schools? ;)

Stumpylegs Aug 14th 2020 9:07 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12896794)
US/Canada land border closed for another 30 days until 21 September.

Was a given really - can't see the border opening this year, more surprising was the announcement around safe aircraft travel - is this a hint that Canada may reopen to air travel from other countries prior to the US land border? https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...839973229.html



scrubbedexpat091 Aug 15th 2020 2:42 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
84 new cases since yesterday in BC
No new deaths
629 active cases
12 in hospital and 4 in ICU
2,026 people are in self-isolation due to close contact with confirmed cases
In Vancouver Coastal Health region some bars and night clubs have shut down, some voluntarily, and some forced to by public health order.
In Fraser Health a long-term care facility in New Westminster, B.C. has a new outbreak declared
continue to be community exposure events around B.C. and on flights into and out of the province.


CBC


scrubbedexpat091 Aug 17th 2020 11:04 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
One of BC's youngest COVID ICU patients was interviewed by media recently. 26 years old.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7279971/y...urvivor-story/

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 17th 2020 11:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
236 cases confirmed in BC since Friday

2 additional deaths

743 active cases, the highest active cases thus far.

majority of new cases continue to involve young people

""This actually makes things quite challenging. That's because some people might not realize they have COVID-19 and they can inadvertently spread it," Gustafson said."

Public Safety Minister Mike Farnworth will later this week make announcements about stricter and more comprehensive enforcement measures.

Hospitalizations and ICU continue to remain very low, so we are fortunate there.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ions-1.5688896


Danny B Aug 18th 2020 3:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
There is hope

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53816511


Pulaski Aug 18th 2020 5:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12898512)

I presume you mean "hope for fresh ourbreak in Wuhan"? ...... Or didn't you even read the article you linked to? :unsure:

Gozit Aug 18th 2020 5:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12898512)

I like the end "It may take a while before other countries feel comfortable allowing such large gatherings" ... Malta already did! We had a month of no covid restrictions, back under pseudo-lockdown (pretty much Canada/Ontario minus mandatory quarantine for travelers) now that the European second wave has reached Malta.

Danny B Aug 18th 2020 7:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12898570)
I presume you mean "hope for fresh ourbreak in Wuhan"? ...... Or didn't you even read the article you linked to? :unsure:

huh?

I meant that Wuhan, a city of 11m (think Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver & Calgary as one big combined city) being back to normal and able to host outdoor festivals gives me hope that it is also possible for the rest of the world.




Pulaski Aug 18th 2020 7:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12898644)
huh?

I meant that Wuhan, a city of 11m (think Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver & Calgary as one big combined city) being back to normal and able to host outdoor festivals gives me hope that it is also possible for the rest of the world.

OK, so you didn't read the article, or glossed over the bits you don't want to acknowldge. :)


..... But Wuhan has not had a local coronavirus case since mid-May, and about 9.9 million people in the city have been tested for the virus. There are no bans in place on large gatherings.However, Sanjaya Senanayake, an associate professor in infectious diseases at the Australian National University, said that while a majority of the city's residents had been tested, there was still the risk of the virus being introduced from elsewhere.

"The problem is we haven't eradicated Covid-19, and what that means is that as long as its not eradicated, there's still the risk of having it introduced, whether from overseas or elsewhere," he told the BBC. .....
Even some Chinese are apparently shocked/ confused by the decision

.... On Chinese social media, some commenters expressed surprise that such a large scale event was allowed to take place in Wuhan. There was also alarm on Twitter and Facebook. ....
In short, only some people, including apparently you, think that this event in Wuhan, was in the least bit sensible. This event wasn't a sign of "hope", it was an act of crass stupidty! :frown:

caretaker Aug 18th 2020 8:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12898662)
OK, so you didn't read the article, This event wasn't a sign of "hope", it was an act of crass stupidty! :frown:

Did you read the article? It was forthright in describing a very major city coming out of lockdown. Those whose opinions express alarm (at least those cited in the article) are a professor in Australia and "some Chinese commentators". In short, only "some people, including apparently you" are in the minority compared to the umpteen million people in Wuhan. You are nonetheless entitled to your opinion.

Pulaski Aug 18th 2020 8:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12898675)
Did you read the article? It was forthright in describing a very major city coming out of lockdown. Those whose opinions express alarm (at least those cited in the article) are a professor in Australia and "some Chinese commentators". In short, only "some people, including apparently you" are in the minority compared to the umpteen million people in Wuhan. You are nonetheless entitled to your opinion.

15,000 out of the population of Wuhan, is a pretty small percentage. ..... I note that the BBC didn't cite a single medical/ cornavirus expert who was prepared to endorse the Wuhan event, not even a Chinese one, which makes me wonder if the event was even approved by the Chinese authorities.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 18th 2020 8:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Wuhan was locked down a lot harder then anywhere in the US or Canada, so I doubt we can expect the same results here.


But I wouldn't want to attend a large gathering, the spikes in BC are mostly linked to parties and such, probably also explains why 20-29 group is seeing the biggest increases in new cases, they are the most likely age range to be having big house parties.

Siouxie Aug 18th 2020 8:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
My son's 31 year old ex-girlfriend (of several years) has just posted videos and photos of herself and her friends partying at Tiny Beach in Ontario over the weekend - all 15 of them up close and personal, staying together in the same cottage, hanging off each other, laughing and drinking, cuddling and dancing - staying there for several days together... SIGH

As we have remained on good terms over the years I gently said "do take care.. as you're not social distancing.. stay safe :) " - Judging by her 'in your face' response, she has no concept or understanding of social distancing - or doesn't give a ****.
"thanks for your concern, the people in the videos and photos are part of my social circle"

What part of 'social distancing / social circle of 10' does she not get ..https://www.ontario.ca/page/create-s...SAAEgIDs_D_BwE

And people wonder why the age group with the most cases in Ontario are the 20-39 year olds. :(

(I thought she would be more cautious as her mother's partner recently recovered from cancer.. her mother has health concerns, her sister and one of her brothers have young children.. her father is elderly and his partner has underlying health conditions.. she has an extensive and extended family who all mix together regularly (including some in their 60's / 70's and older)... plus her new partner and his extended family - and everyone's friends) .

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...c0e71fe823.jpg

Pulaski Aug 18th 2020 8:53 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12898677)
Wuhan was locked down a lot harder then anywhere in the US or Canada, so I doubt we can expect the same results here. .....

Exactly, and which proves the point that a harder lock-down would have led to a quicker rebound. ... In other words, the idiots who want a quicker and greater reopening, would have had that if they hadn't flouted the original lock-downs! :rolleyes:

Danny B Aug 18th 2020 9:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12898662)
OK, so you didn't read the article, or glossed over the bits you don't want to acknowldge. :)


Even some Chinese are apparently shocked/ confused by the decision

In short, only some people, including apparently you, think that this event in Wuhan, was in the least bit sensible. This event wasn't a sign of "hope", it was an act of crass stupidty! :frown:

Well I am extremely glad you are not involved in making any decisions that restrict peoples movement. Don't get me wrong, I am all about social distancing and wearing a mask, but there comes a time when after a month of no new cases you need to start slowly opening up again.

Do you honestly believe that Wuhan officials would allow a water park to open in the middle of a pandemic if they believed it would start another wave. I'd be more worried about drunk people drowning than catching COVID.

Look at these 6,000 lucky bastards in NZ attending a concert back in July https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertain...ectid=12345509 before you say anything, this was early July and not last week when the 12 new cases reappeared in Auckland.

I don't know where you live, but how long are you willing to stay locked up indoors for after zero new cases in your community? a week, a month, 6 months, a year?






Pulaski Aug 18th 2020 10:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12898702)
Well I am extremely glad you are not involved in making any decisions that restrict peoples movement.

Well, as we now all know, there is no country in the West that can enfirce much of a lock down compared to what the Chinese were able to do, and on balance, overall, that is probably a good thing.

Don't get me wrong, I am all about social distancing and wearing a mask,
:hysterical: No you're not, we had this discussion before! Do you need me to go and find what you posted previously and remind you, again? :unsure:

but there comes a time when after a month of no new cases you need to start slowly opening up again.

Do you honestly believe that Wuhan officials would allow a water park to open in the middle of a pandemic if they believed it would start another wave. ....
I don't ascribe any more intelligence and common sense to Chinese "officials" than I do to the idiots in local, regional, and national governments in the West.

Ditto business leaders, Chinese v everywhere else, who will do what ever they think they can get away with to start making some money again after they have been forced to stay closed for several months.

.....Look at these 6,000 lucky bastards in NZ attending a concert back in July https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertain...ectid=12345509 before you say anything, this was early July and not last week when the 12 new cases reappeared in Auckland.

I don't know where you live, but how long are you willing to stay locked up indoors for after zero new cases in your community? a week, a month, 6 months, a year?
(i) There aren't zero new cases today, never mind even "this week" where you live, or where I live .... nor in China for that matter, and when there are at least some planes operating around the globe, and coronavirus can cause an infection and be comunicable, without any immediate symptoms, I believe that some degree of caution is sensible, at least in the context of events drawing thousands of people into close proximity.

As I have told you previously, it was probably only in February that a single person entered your province carrying the virus, at a time when the number of carriers/vectors outside of China was probably nunbered in no more than low thousands globally, and that has spiralled out of control to give us the situation we are now in the midst of, so I am mystified as to why you now think that only having new daily infections in your province measured in dozens is a cause for celebration and to release most of the restrictions. :confused:

(ii) It depends how you define community - it takes less than 12 hours to drive to form Florida and there are no restrictions on doing so. I am not sure how much Canadian provinces restrict road traffic between provinces.

(iii) I didn't say anything about keeping people "locked up" so please stop putting words in my mouth, but there is a lot of open ground between "locked up in doors" and "15,000 people in a crowded water park without masks".

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 18th 2020 10:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
More exposures on flights, I had no idea Air India was even operating flights into Vancouver these days, maybe repatriation flights?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...uver-1.5690497

Siouxie Aug 18th 2020 10:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Covid 19 on flights - https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...html#wb-auto-6
(updated daily)
Domestic flight (within Canada) - 28 flights since 4th August - Last updated: August 18, 2020, 4:30 p.m.
International flight - 34 flights since 4th August - Last updated: August 18, 2020, 4:30 p.m.
~~~~~~~~~
Train - 1 train - Last updated: August 17, 2020, 1:40 p.m. EDT

Westjet list their impacted flights on their blog: https://blog.westjet.com/operational...irus-covid-19/

Former Lancastrian Aug 18th 2020 10:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12898726)
More exposures on flights, I had no idea Air India was even operating flights into Vancouver these days, maybe repatriation flights?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...uver-1.5690497

Yes same as Pearson and Montreal.

Stumpylegs Aug 18th 2020 11:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12898726)
More exposures on flights, I had no idea Air India was even operating flights into Vancouver these days, maybe repatriation flights?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...uver-1.5690497

On another forum I lurk but don't post on. it seems there are 100's if not thousands of people booking flights to Canada daily from India, tickets sell out in minutes, they are also trying to transit through Germany - some with some plain naughty suggestions around circumventing rules.

Some of it seems to be repatriation, others its those that have soft landed, and a large portion also seem to be just flying willy nilly via dual citizenship/ being a landed PR, to see family and friends.

Pulaski Aug 18th 2020 11:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12898741)
.... just flying willy nilly via dual citizenship/ being a landed PR, to see family and friends.

Yeah, there does appear to be a problem, that with dual/ multiple citizenships, there does not appear to be any practical limit as to how often you can repatriate. :lol: .... :(

Stumpylegs Aug 18th 2020 11:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12898713)


(i) There aren't zero new cases today, never mind even "this week" where you live, or where I live .... nor in China for that matter, and when there are at least some planes operating around the globe, and coronavirus can cause an infection and be comunicable, without any immediate symptoms, I believe that some degree of caution is sensible, at least in the context of events drawing thousands of people into close proximity.

Its whether such events cause any sort of spike in cases - Riots, protests and 85% of Britain crammed onto 1 beach didn't seem to do anything, it was all outdoors, absent of social distancing, with minimal mask wearing and little to no hand washing facilities.

Not saying we should start holding music festivals this weekend, but does make me think whether we should allow more outside social gatherings at the expense of indoor ones (sports fans back in stadiums at 50% capacity, but no sport shown in pubs/bars)


Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12898713)

(iii) I didn't say anything about keeping people "locked up" so please stop putting words in my mouth, but there is a lot of open ground between "locked up in doors" and "15,000 people in a crowded water park without masks".

There is, but if such an event can be held without a spike in cases, does it mean we can move further along the line from locked up in doors to water park festival? (which would surely be a breeding ground for diseases, viruses, STD's etc even back in precedented times.)

Currently most of the world seems to be treading water with cases with their own version of an "acceptable" infection rate not willing to let it grow, but not willing to lock down and drive it down, but how long we can maintain such an approach is questionable - till we get a vaccine? till winter comes and we get a surge in cases? For me without some sort of herd immunity/herd exposure or a vaccine, everything is risky - I'm pretty cautious about the whole thing, but then I'm lucky in as much as I have a job, a secondary income, a holiday property, all of which are relatively unaffected by COVID (unlike my PR application!) but know of people who have had to put back retirement 2 years, someone else looking at remortgaging their home to keep afloat etc, countless people who have lost their jobs etc. a close friend is that depressed from the situation I can honestly say he's in a worse condition mentally than when he lost a parent as effectively his support network has disappeared (socialising in pubs, football with the lads and socialising in and after work). I can completely see why people are fed up of the situation and want things to return closer to normal, especially for those who haven't lost anyone to it.

Pulaski Aug 18th 2020 11:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12898751)
Its whether such events cause any sort of spike in cases - Riots, protests and 85% of Britain crammed onto 1 beach didn't seem to do anything, it was all outdoors, absent of social distancing, with minimal mask wearing and little to no hand washing facilities. ...

Well that's certainly interesting information, if true, and it adds to what we know about the risk of being infected, but I suspect that sitting, more or less still, for 2+ hours in a stadium is not as low a risk as sitting on a beach for half a day or more, becuase [1] a beach is largely open (no perimater walls), so ventilation is better, and [2] even on a crowded beach people are a lot further apart than in stadium seating so you're not sharing breathing air with others to anything like the same extent. Same for riots and protests - people were moving around, not typically jammed next to people, sharing static air for hours at a time.

....Not saying we should start holding music festivals this weekend, but does make me think whether we should allow more outside social gatherings at the expense of indoor ones (sports fans back in stadiums at 50% capacity, but no sport shown in pubs/bars) ....
A fair point, but there are several aspects to risk - not just [1] the ease with which the disease can be transmitted but [2] the probability of someone being there, and [3] the number of people that could be infected. And both 2 and 3 will increase based on the size of the crowd - the bigger the crowd, the greater the chance of at least one of them being already infected when they arrive, and the more people at the event, the greater the number of people at risk of being infected. Maybe we can get to a time when we're OK with large crowds in relatively confined spaces, such as a sports stadium, but that might be too big of a leap to make from where we are at the moment? :unsure:

.... There is, but if such an event can be held without a spike in cases, does it mean we can move further along the line from locked up in doors to water park festival? ......
Yes, we are moving that way, though I suspect that the end of summer, with people spending more time indoors will lead to a new wave of infections, will delay that move until spring 2021, unless more people can be persuaded to wear their masks, properly.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 19th 2020 5:04 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
775 active cases now in BC, a new high, apparently we have not had this many active cases at one time since this pandemic started. Using the graph in the article looks like 717 active cases was the highest we had gotten previously back in April.

At least hospitalizations are very low, guess the 20-29 age group being the primary ones affected currently is keeping the hospitalizations low.



Danny B Aug 19th 2020 5:36 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12898713)
Well, as we now all know, there is no country in the West that can enfirce much of a lock down compared to what the Chinese were able to do, and on balance, overall, that is probably a good thing.

:hysterical: No you're not, we had this discussion before! Do you need me to go and find what you posted previously and remind you, again? :unsure:

I admit that at one point I did not think it was worth me wearing a mask here in small town Kamloops, BC. Cases were too low at the time. Now that cases are higher (still very low in my opinion) I do wear a mask. In fact my Wife tells me that I am like an ex smoker who bitches about cigarette smoke from smokers. I mutter under my mask when I see people inside enclosed spaces without one.

I don't ascribe any more intelligence and common sense to Chinese "officials" than I do to the idiots in local, regional, and national governments in the West.

Not sure what that means. They learned a very hard lesson about keeping things hush in January, they will not make that mistake ever again.

Ditto business leaders, Chinese v everywhere else, who will do what ever they think they can get away with to start making some money again after they have been forced to stay closed for several months.

(i) There aren't zero new cases today, never mind even "this week" where you live, or where I live .... nor in China for that matter, and when there are at least some planes operating around the globe, and coronavirus can cause an infection and be comunicable, without any immediate symptoms, I believe that some degree of caution is sensible, at least in the context of events drawing thousands of people into close proximity.

I'm not talking about zero cases throughout entire countries (although NZ do hold the record for that) I'm talking about zero new cases in Wuhan as the BBC/CNN and all other news agencies reported it today.

As I have told you previously, it was probably only in February that a single person entered your province carrying the virus, at a time when the number of carriers/vectors outside of China was probably nunbered in no more than low thousands globally, and that has spiralled out of control to give us the situation we are now in the midst of, so I am mystified as to why you now think that only having new daily infections in your province measured in dozens is a cause for celebration and to release most of the restrictions. :confused:

You and I will never agree on this. The media will be reporting daily new cases for the next several years, I'm not as worried by that number as I am by the hospitalization and admitted to ICU numbers The young and healthy will continue to get COVID by the 1000's, for the vast majority, not a big deal, they feel like crap and recover.
Don't forget that 60m people in the USA were infected with H1N1. Don't be surprised to see millions of COVID infections over the years.


(ii) It depends how you define community - it takes less than 12 hours to drive to form Florida and there are no restrictions on doing so. I am not sure how much Canadian provinces restrict road traffic between provinces.
Well say for example your city was COVID free for 30 days and the city was offering a free BBQ in the local park to celebrate, 3,000 people expected to attend. If you were a healthy bloke in your 20's, would you attend or would you hide in your basement?

(iii) I didn't say anything about keeping people "locked up" so please stop putting words in my mouth, but there is a lot of open ground between "locked up in doors" and "15,000 people in a crowded water park without masks".

I'll admit that this really depends on where you live. I think the UK has the right idea. When things flare up and new hotspots are discovered, they go back to lockdown. Leicester is a good example. You can't put a whole county, province or state back into lockdown because of a flare up in another part of the country.

It pisses me off when dick heads in Vancouver are catching COVID from partying, the media reports these huge numbers, people shit their pants and think the world is ending without realizing that no one is dying, and then small communities miles away have to suffer the consequences as the enforcement action is province wide.

God this site is bad for quotes, see my replies in bold

Gozit Aug 19th 2020 1:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12898678)
My son's 31 year old ex-girlfriend (of several years) has just posted videos and photos of herself and her friends partying at Tiny Beach in Ontario over the weekend - all 15 of them up close and personal, staying together in the same cottage, hanging off each other, laughing and drinking, cuddling and dancing - staying there for several days together... SIGH

As we have remained on good terms over the years I gently said "do take care.. as you're not social distancing.. stay safe :) " - Judging by her 'in your face' response, she has no concept or understanding of social distancing - or doesn't give a ****.
"thanks for your concern, the people in the videos and photos are part of my social circle"

What part of 'social distancing / social circle of 10' does she not get ..https://www.ontario.ca/page/create-s...SAAEgIDs_D_BwE

And people wonder why the age group with the most cases in Ontario are the 20-39 year olds. :(

(I thought she would be more cautious as her mother's partner recently recovered from cancer.. her mother has health concerns, her sister and one of her brothers have young children.. her father is elderly and his partner has underlying health conditions.. she has an extensive and extended family who all mix together regularly (including some in their 60's / 70's and older)... plus her new partner and his extended family - and everyone's friends) .

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...c0e71fe823.jpg

No offence but why can't you just live and let live? Clearly you have no physical contact with this person so just let it be? I would probably respond similarly if someone questioned me being at a cottage with friends. Sorry that other people have a different risk tolerance level then you do.


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