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BristolUK Aug 3rd 2020 12:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12891388)
Speculation that Canada could keep the US border closed until next year.

Got to keep the disease out of Canada. Nobody wants a nasty case of Trumpitis.

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 12:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12891511)
Got to keep the disease out of Canada.

That ship has sailed. It's kind of just starting to look like Xenophobia at this point.

BristolUK Aug 3rd 2020 12:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891513)
That ship has sailed. It's kind of just starting to look like Xenophobia at this point.

Now that is a classic case of a partial quote not having the meaning of the full one, which was obviously a joke.

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 12:29 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12891515)
Now that is a classic case of a partial quote not having the meaning of the full one, which was obviously a joke.

I actually didn't realise you were joking tbh, sorry.

BristolUK Aug 3rd 2020 12:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891517)
I actually didn't realise you were joking tbh, sorry.

Is Trumpitis real then? :lol:

Stumpylegs Aug 3rd 2020 12:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891513)
That ship has sailed. It's kind of just starting to look like Xenophobia at this point.

Sorry but I'm just not getting the Xenophobia vibe from Canada. I know people that have landed there in the last month and post quarantine they've been welcomed with open arms.

​​​​​It appears to me its the non quarantined folk they have a dislike for, which im sort of with them on.

Do you honestly think large families of Americans visiting small towns in national parks with limited hospitals, road tripping brits hitting 10 towns in 10 days etc is what Canada needs right now. Whilst the travel restrictions are possibly a bit stricter than ideal it allows quarantine to be policed, allowing more folk in would just been quarantine rules could be flouted with less chance of getting caught.

I think they have kept the disease at bay very well compared to their southern neighbours.

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 12:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12891518)
Is Trumpitis real then? :lol:

We can only ****ing hope not. :lol:

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 12:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12891519)
I think they have kept the disease at bay very well compared to their southern neighbours.

That's not exactly tough, you could apply that same logic to every country in the first world.

I'm not sure if forcing people from every single country into a 14 day quarantine period is really "welcoming them with open arms" and Crofty82's recent thread about his experience travelling from LGW to Toronto sounded like something from dystopian fiction. You're right though, unlike the US, they are still accepting new immigrant applications and there have even been PNP draws over the last few weeks which is quite surprising considering the current levels of unemployment. If the PR card processing times I saw over the weekend are anything to go by, they are also working to clear the backlog and return some immigrant services back to normal. Apparently people who applied for PR cards in March when the travel ban was enacted are finally starting to receive AOR's.

Saying that, some of the comments I've seen on CBC News stories and the like have been nothing short of horrific. Bizarrely some of those same people also have the barefaced cheek to go on and accuse Britain of being a populist country.

BristolUK Aug 3rd 2020 1:22 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891529)
Saying that, some of the comments I've seen on CBC News stories and the like have been nothing short of horrific. Bizarrely some of those same people also have the barefaced cheek to go on and accuse Britain of being a populist country.

I've been a bit surprised at comments on CBC news items on the covid issue in New Brunswick. Well, more than a bit really. :( Fortunately there are voices of reason there too. Mine is obviously one of them. :lol:

What I found especially amusing is there's a bunch of people saying you can't have the borders closed/economic standstill forever - completely failing to see that A) many more things are open for business because there has been a gradual reopening and B) nobody is suggesting it's permanent and even funnier is these same people complaining about Prince Edward Island hosting the players and officials of 8 football teams - about 300 people altogether to get some semblance of a soccer football season done.

England, Germany, Spain and Italy (probably others too) have just shown that football can be played with all sorts of protocols and testing with thousands of players, officials, TV broadcasting people etc travelling to the 18-20 venues in each country over a couple of months and there hasn't been a single positive test result. Same thing with England and West Indies cricket.

The tournament on PEI will have benefits to the economy (rather than the standstill these people are concerned about) and they are all in one place with each team isolated between games and a shorter overall period. Providing they stick to protocols - just like everyone is supposed to - it should be no problem.


DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 1:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12891549)

What I found especially amusing is there's a bunch of people saying you can't have the borders closed/economic standstill forever - completely failing to see that A) many more things are open for business because there has been a gradual reopening and B) nobody is suggesting it's permanent and even funnier is these same people complaining about Prince Edward Island hosting the players and officials of 8 football teams - about 300 people altogether to get some semblance of a soccer football season done.

I don't know if it's permanence that's bothering people so much as perpetual nature of the whole thing.The US/CAN border will one day re-open if it's just so one tribe of feral cave people can trade raw meat and grunt with another in a post-apocalyptic landscape. The problem is that people want to get back to their normal lives and governments are not only preventing them from doing that but at times are also treating them like children. I think the patience and goodwill that a lot of people might have had in March and April might now be starting to spread a little thin.

Jerseygirl Aug 3rd 2020 2:13 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891564)
I don't know if it's permanence that's bothering people so much as perpetual nature of the whole thing.The US/CAN border will one day re-open if it's just so one tribe of feral cave people can trade raw meat and grunt with another in a post-apocalyptic landscape. The problem is that people want to get back to their normal lives and governments are not only preventing them from doing that but at times are also treating them like children. I think the patience and goodwill that a lot of people might have had in March and April might now be starting to spread a little thin.

just been on TV that 79% of people say they have not been affected by the the border closure...nor have their family members. Doesn’t sound like people are losing patience to me.

caretaker Aug 3rd 2020 2:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I haven't heard anyone here complaining about the border closure, except a northern fishing camp operator on the news. Their season is a write-off, and I think some didn't even open up for Canadian customers. Hunting outfitters will experience the same loss of business in the fall if it goes on that long. My cousins are guides for American hunters at a northern camp in the fall after harvest is done, so this could be costing them a fair bit of money. As for people cracking under the pressure of social restrictions and masks, no sign of Ken or Karen yet (touch wood), but I think we're pretty stoic here. If there's a resurgence of cases, those who are skeptical now may even come around.

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 2:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12891570)
just been on TV that 79% of people say they have not been affected by the the border closure...nor have their family members. Doesn’t sound like people are losing patience to me.

I think that all depends on who's in your survey pool really.

Stumpylegs Aug 3rd 2020 3:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891529)
That's not exactly tough, you could apply that same logic to every country in the first world.

I'm not sure if forcing people from every single country into a 14 day quarantine period is really "welcoming them with open arms" and Crofty82's recent thread about his experience travelling from LGW to Toronto sounded like something from dystopian fiction. You're right though, unlike the US, they are still accepting new immigrant applications and there have even been PNP draws over the last few weeks which is quite surprising considering the current levels of unemployment. If the PR card processing times I saw over the weekend are anything to go by, they are also working to clear the backlog and return some immigrant services back to normal. Apparently people who applied for PR cards in March when the travel ban was enacted are finally starting to receive AOR's.

Saying that, some of the comments I've seen on CBC News stories and the like have been nothing short of horrific. Bizarrely some of those same people also have the barefaced cheek to go on and accuse Britain of being a populist country.

Yea, I'm not saying the procedures are welcoming but more the people - there is less of a pitchforked mob chasing newly landed folk out of town but neighbours theyve chatted to from the balcony dropping cookies and a pack of beer on their doorstep.

Realise that's only a small percentage of the population but I like to think that Canadians who act like that outnumber those holding signs saying go home and being Xenophobic on message boards.

Here's hoping PPR and COPR comes through for those of us in waiting in the next few weeks. Believe there's been several PNP draws and even one normal all scores draw.

Would also say the quarantine is unavoidable given the messages and topics being posted on less scrupulous forums and Facebook groups!

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DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 3:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12891618)
Yea, I'm not saying the procedures are welcoming but more the people - there is less of a pitchforked mob chasing newly landed folk out of town but neighbours theyve chatted to from the balcony dropping cookies and a pack of beer on their doorstep.

Realise that's only a small percentage of the population but I like to think that Canadians who act like that outnumber those holding signs saying go home and being Xenophobic on message boards.

Here's hoping PPR and COPR comes through for those of us in waiting in the next few weeks. Believe there's been several PNP draws and even one normal all scores draw.

Would also say the quarantine is unavoidable given the messages and topics being posted on less scrupulous forums and Facebook groups!

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Ah, I didn't realise you weren't a PR yet. You see that's my other issue, a lot of Canada's standard bureaucracy is still in full swing despite the other circumstances. If you do get a COPR in the next few weeks (and I hope you do) then no doubt they'll still be holding you to the 1 year from date of medical landing deadline despite both the Canadian government and the UK government currently advising against all non-essential travel between both countries.

I'm not sure if the process has changed but if you're British then you shouldn't need a PPR. I didn't get one because we're visa exempt anyway. They just request photos and then issue you with the COPR through the post.

Howefamily Aug 3rd 2020 5:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12891584)
I haven't heard anyone here complaining about the border closure, except a northern fishing camp operator on the news. Their season is a write-off, and I think some didn't even open up for Canadian customers. Hunting outfitters will experience the same loss of business in the fall if it goes on that long. My cousins are guides for American hunters at a northern camp in the fall after harvest is done, so this could be costing them a fair bit of money. As for people cracking under the pressure of social restrictions and masks, no sign of Ken or Karen yet (touch wood), but I think we're pretty stoic here. If there's a resurgence of cases, those who are skeptical now may even come around.

No one in NS is complaining of border closure either. The moment that US border opens up I can sh!t hitting the fan. No one in this province wants their seniors at risk from people who just dont seem to want to follow rules as much as they want to follow conspiracy theories and make every single thing political.

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 5:08 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 12891708)
No one in NS is complaining of border closure either. The moment that US border opens up I can sh!t hitting the fan. No one in this province wants their seniors at risk from people who just dont seem to want to follow rules as much as they want to follow conspiracy theories and make every single thing political.

Are many of those people even travelling to Canada in the first place? I would have thought most of them would be amongst the millions of Americans who would never dream of leaving their own country.

Jerseygirl Aug 3rd 2020 5:08 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891589)
I think that all depends on who's in your survey pool really.

i haven’t heard anyone complaining bout the border closure...but there again I live in Canada...not the UK.

Howefamily Aug 3rd 2020 5:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891715)
Are many of those people even travelling to Canada in the first place? I would have thought most of them would be amongst the millions of Americans who would never dream of leaving their own country.

Many come through that border typically. They have the exchange rate going in their favour too which helps.

Siouxie Aug 3rd 2020 5:11 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12891570)
just been on TV that 79% of people say they have not been affected by the the border closure...nor have their family members. Doesn’t sound like people are losing patience to me.

:goodpost:

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12891716)
i haven’t heard anyone complaining bout the border closure...but there again I live in Canada...not the UK.

:goodpost:

None in Ontario are complaining about the border issue that I've heard either. I think it's those who aren't even in Canada (and want to be here) that are making the most noise.

If some wish to talk about border closures and or political shite, perhaps they could take it somewhere else - getting a little fed up with every Covid 19 related thread becoming a sounding board for rants against Canada's decisions.

Over the past week, an average of 40,665 people were tested daily, with 1% testing positive and an average of 461 (NEW) cases were reported daily from across Canada - so it hasn't gone away yet

Interesting world map of current cases.. https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...international/

Howefamily Aug 3rd 2020 5:22 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12891718)
:goodpost:

:goodpost:

None in Ontario are complaining about the border issue that I've heard either. I think it's those who aren't even in Canada (and want to be here) that are making the most noise.

If some wish to talk about border closures and or political shite, perhaps they could take it somewhere else - getting a little fed up with every Covid 19 related thread becoming a sounding board for rants against Canada's decisions.

Over the past week, an average of 40,665 people were tested daily, with 1% testing positive and an average of 461 (NEW) cases were reported daily from across Canada - so it hasn't gone away yet

Interesting world map of current cases.. https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...international/

Its always interesting to me how people outside our country seem to view it. Its a process, its there for a reason and its reasonable. I dont understand what the concern is.

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 5:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12891718)
None in Ontario are complaining about the border issue either. I think it's those who aren't even in Canada (and want to be here) that are making the most noise.

Well to be fair, those are the people likely to suffer the worst of it. If your job and life are able to carry on regardless and it's making you feel more comfortable then I'd totally expect you to have no issues with border closure. It's always just going to be a question of personal preference and perspective.

Stumpylegs Aug 3rd 2020 5:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12891718)

None in Ontario are complaining about the border issue that I've heard either. I think it's those who aren't even in Canada (and want to be here) that are making the most noise.

Am I the token odd one out that isn't in Canada, wants to be, but is actually pro border closure??

With regards to figures, Canada seems to be on the slow burn with similar rates to most of Europe right now - personally think that'll be the rate till winter, then it'll pick up a bit more - and we'll be back here with similar rates this time next year, with lower death rates as the most vulnerable will already have been picked off.


Siouxie Aug 3rd 2020 5:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891744)
Well to be fair, those are the people likely to suffer the worst of it. If your job and life are able to carry on regardless and it's making you feel more comfortable then I'd totally expect you to have no issues with border closure. It's always just going to be a question of personal preference and perspective.

Clearly you are not in agreement with most of us who are living in Canada - perhaps you might if you decide to come back.

Siouxie Aug 3rd 2020 5:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12891747)
Am I the token odd one out that isn't in Canada, wants to be, but is actually pro border closure??

With regards to figures, Canada seems to be on the slow burn with similar rates to most of Europe right now - personally think that'll be the rate till winter, then it'll pick up a bit more - and we'll be back here with similar rates this time next year, with lower death rates as the most vulnerable will already have been picked off.

Not at all :D You seem to be more in agreement with those of us who live in Canada............ there's a couple of you... and that's a good thing :D

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 5:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12891747)

With regards to figures, Canada seems to be on the slow burn with similar rates to most of Europe right now - personally think that'll be the rate till winter, then it'll pick up a bit more - and we'll be back here with similar rates this time next year, with lower death rates as the most vulnerable will already have been picked off.

I've heard these kind of theories before. I'm not a virologist so can someone explain to me why if community transmission of a particular strain of illness is so low, winter weather is going to suddenly cause it to reappear from nowhere like Frosty the Snowman?

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 5:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12891750)
Clearly you are not in agreement with most of us who are living in Canada - perhaps you might if you decide to come back.

I'm not saying that additional precautions and due care shouldn't be taken, especially at the US border, I just think there are better ways of handling it that's all. Forcing someone into mandatory isolation when they've done nothing wrong and in some cases can be arriving from a place where the virus barely exists just seems a little bit cruel.

BristolUK Aug 3rd 2020 5:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12891747)
With regards to figures, Canada seems to be on the slow burn with similar rates to most of Europe right now - personally think that'll be the rate till winter, then it'll pick up a bit more .

Dunno about that. Some Care homes and some workplaces aside, other spikes seem to involve people being out and about in situations where they may be more likely to be at home in the warm in winter.

Siouxie Aug 3rd 2020 5:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891759)
I'm not saying that additional precautions and due care shouldn't be taken, especially at the US border, I just think there are better ways of handling it that's all. Forcing someone into mandatory isolation when they've done nothing wrong and in some cases can be arriving from a place where the virus barely exists just seems a little bit cruel.

Booo hooooo - are they all snowflakes?? Too bad for them - that's the regulations, suck it up sister.. it's not like you can't come here at all, you just have to follow the rules.

Quarantine discussions belong in the Quarantine thread ....... thank you.

Siouxie Aug 3rd 2020 5:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
:focus:

caretaker Aug 3rd 2020 5:41 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12891718)
Interesting world map of current cases.. https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...international/

With under 4,000 cases and 22 deaths, I'd paint Alaska a lighter shade.

Stumpylegs Aug 3rd 2020 5:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891756)
I've heard these kind of theories before. I'm not a virologist so can someone explain to me why if community transmission of a particular strain of illness is so low, winter weather is going to suddenly cause it to reappear from nowhere like Frosty the Snowman?

​​​​​​In no particular order reasons why it may jump up. Aside from the stock its a flu like virus, flu is more prevalent in winter

1)virus has been shown to survive longer in cooler temperatures, and damp environments. Winter is cooler and damper

2) UV has been shown to kill the virus, less of that in winter.

3) people will be less likely to spend time outside at restaurants, bars etc. as temperature drops and will move indoors

4) Overall outdoor activities will be replaced by indoor activities (swap hiking for bowling, running outside for gym running, going the mall as a family outing etc).

5) People will brush covid off as a cold/normal flu - now the whole world ducks if someone coughs/sneezes, that'll subside in winter.


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caretaker Aug 3rd 2020 5:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12891765)
:focus:

What was off topic?

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 3rd 2020 5:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
To be fair, the US/Canada isn't actually closed, it's restricted but not closed.







Howefamily Aug 3rd 2020 5:51 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891759)
I'm not saying that additional precautions and due care shouldn't be taken, especially at the US border, I just think there are better ways of handling it that's all. Forcing someone into mandatory isolation when they've done nothing wrong and in some cases can be arriving from a place where the virus barely exists just seems a little bit cruel.

why is that "cruel"? Its two weeks to make sure you arent asymptomatic and bringing it with you for others to struggle with. I frankly agree with it, I think its why we are doing so well compared to other countries. It makes sense to me. Its not personal.

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 5:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12891768)
​​​​​​In no particular order reasons why it may jump up. Aside from the stock its a flu like virus, flu is more prevalent in winter

1)virus has been shown to survive longer in cooler temperatures, and damp environments. Winter is cooler and damper

2) UV has been shown to kill the virus, less of that in winter.

3) people will be less likely to spend time outside at restaurants, bars etc. as temperature drops and will move indoors

4) Overall outdoor activities will be replaced by indoor activities (swap hiking for bowling, running outside for gym running, going the mall as a family outing etc).

5) People will brush covid off as a cold/normal flu - now the whole world ducks if someone coughs/sneezes, that'll subside in winter.


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:goodpost:

Thank you. That all makes perfect sense.

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 5:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 12891775)
why is that "cruel"? Its two weeks to make sure you arent asymptomatic and bringing it with you for others to struggle with.

Well for one it's essentially saying that everyone from the outside world is potentially diseased isn't it. It's all a bit medieval when you think about it.

Anyway it looks like quarantine discussions are not for this thread however I'm more than happy to pick this one up in the other thread with you if you want to continue it. :)

Howefamily Aug 3rd 2020 5:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891778)
Well for one it's essentially saying that everyone from the outside world is potentially diseased isn't it. It's all a bit medieval when you think about it.

Anyway it looks like quarantine discussions are not for this thread however I'm more than happy to pick this one up in the other thread with you if you want to continue it. :)

Not really,. I think we have to agree to disagree.

caretaker Aug 3rd 2020 6:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 12891783)
Not really,. I think we have to agree to disagree.

But we're right, of course.

DigitalGhost Aug 3rd 2020 6:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12891785)
But we're right, of course.

You're not but let's not go down that road shall we. :lol:


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