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bats Oct 10th 2020 1:13 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 12920476)
The last one is half hearted. Our constitution doesn't allow for them to put the regions into lockdown (thankfully) but people will go outside of those regions to access the services that are closed.

indeed they are. Busy Highway 7 today with many cars from the GTA. Supermarket had long lineups outside,. I can't say that I would cancel my weekend plans at such short notice either.

Danny B Oct 11th 2020 2:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
New Zealand - October 2020

Lucky buggers.

https://i.redd.it/rmafmk9d2gs51.png


caretaker Oct 11th 2020 4:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Saskatchewan recorded 34 new cases yesterday, but 13 of those are from one gospel meeting in Prince Albert. The numbers are going up, regardless.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 11th 2020 7:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12920986)
New Zealand - October 2020

Lucky buggers.

https://i.redd.it/rmafmk9d2gs51.png


Pays to be an isolated island in the middle of the ocean with a relatively small population.


Danny B Oct 12th 2020 6:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12921054)
Pays to be an isolated island in the middle of the ocean with a relatively small population.

Yep, although Taiwan has 70% the population of Canada crammed into a tiny island close to mainland China, and look at how well they did.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 12th 2020 7:11 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12921322)
Yep, although Taiwan has 70% the population of Canada crammed into a tiny island close to mainland China, and look at how well they did.


Doesn't Taiwan have a more mask wearing culture and did so from the onset?

I think that is wear many western countries messed up, not encouraging/requiring masks from the onset and social distancing as they do seem to work.



Rete Oct 12th 2020 9:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Understand from my niece that Montreal has put its citizens under house arrest to combat the virus. She was lucky and escaped to Ontario just before the mandate.

Siouxie Oct 13th 2020 5:56 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12921368)
Understand from my niece that Montreal has put its citizens under house arrest to combat the virus. She was lucky and escaped to Ontario just before the mandate.

https://montreal.ca/en/articles/covi...-and-resources

I haven't read anything about Montreal placing all citizens under house arrest - only those who have tested positive or refused to isolate / limit the number of people in the house etc., although they are at Level 4 - which is worrying.
I strongly suspect there will be rules put in place for anyone entering Ontario, that they must quarantine - similar to Nova Scotia - (I wish there already was - that's how this thing is spreading) - below is from Sept 30th, it may have been updated since :(

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...d-19-1.5745046The new restrictions take effect 12:01 a.m. ET on Thursday and are set to last for 28 days, until Oct. 28, in the red zones. The restrictions are:
  • A ban on home gatherings, with some exceptions, such as a single caregiver, babysitter, tradesperson or technician, allowed per visit.
  • All bars and casinos are closed. Restaurants can offer only takeout.
  • Museums, cinemas and theatres are closed.
  • Being less than two metres apart will be prohibited. Masks will be mandatory during demonstrations.
  • Houses of worship and venues for events, such as funerals and weddings, will have a 25-person limit.
  • Hair salons, hotels and other such businesses will stay open.
  • Schools will remain open.


Danny B Oct 13th 2020 6:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Cristiano Ronaldo tests positive for COVID-19.

I wonder if he caught it during this celebration on Friday? :lol:
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...80299ee931.jpg




BristolUK Oct 13th 2020 6:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I wrote earlier about how Campbellton, NB was put back into Orange (from Yellow) and how when Moncton had a (care home) 'outbreak, people were complaining that Moncton should have gone Orange too, even though it wasn't really comparable.


Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12920485)
...Campbellton (Northern NB)...confirmed cases in a special care home, hospital and two day cares...

...outbreak in a special care home in Moncton. 17 cases - residents, staff or close contacts and there have been bitter people complaining that Moncton area had not been put back to Orange. They're seemingly unable to differentiate between one outbreak and four.

As it happens, the government has just announced that Moncton area will go back to Orange for the time being. I think this is a sop to those in the northern part of the province where the government won not a single seat in the recent election and where the Premier recently got into trouble for saying a lampshade could get elected up there. :lol:

In the days since there have been additional numbers of what can be described as the same community spread in Campbellton - they now have 4 different schools affected as well - and what could be described as no community spread in Moncton where there is only one travel related case and everything else is associated with the care home.

Sop or not it appears that people are now being discouraged from travelling here, from within the province or outside. That should cut down the numbers of people bringing covid into the province. :thumbup: ;)

BristolUK Oct 13th 2020 9:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
The lack of brain activity in some CBC comments is something to behold.

Why can I buy cannabis but my son can't play sports. Why can I buy beer but not get a haircut. Why can strip bars open.
People appear to be making moral judgements rather than considering relevant stuff like prolonged, close contact, heavy breathing (in sports not watching a stripper :lol:) as opposed to brief contact, from distances or behind barriers.

Danny B Oct 13th 2020 9:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12921680)
The lack of brain activity in some CBC comments is something to behold.


People appear to be making moral judgements rather than considering relevant stuff like prolonged, close contact, heavy breathing (in sports not watching a stripper :lol:) as opposed to brief contact, from distances or behind barriers.

Can't speak for your neck of the woods, but in the UK business owners are getting really fed up, and quite rightly so.

"They tell you that you can go to a pub and have a pie in front of you but you can't go to a pub and have a pint in front of you.

"It's all a big joke and that's why people aren't adhering to it because they don't believe what the government are telling them because it makes no sense."


BristolUK Oct 13th 2020 9:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12921687)
Can't speak for your neck of the woods, but in the UK business owners are getting really fed up, and quite rightly so.

"They tell you that you can go to a pub and have a pie in front of you but you can't go to a pub and have a pint in front of you.

"It's all a big joke and that's why people aren't adhering to it because they don't believe what the government are telling them because it makes no sense."

Unless they're in an area with special measures, isn't the only pub restriction closing earlier at 10.00pm?

Danny B Oct 13th 2020 10:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12921691)
Unless they're in an area with special measures, isn't the only pub restriction closing earlier at 10.00pm?

I think the article was referring to these new confusing rules.

The Liverpool City Region will be placed under ''very high'' coronavirus alert from Wednesday 14 October.

This means pubs and bars there cannot open unless they ''operate as if they were a restaurant'' and serve ''substantial'' meals. Alcohol can only be served as part of those meals.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 13th 2020 11:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
549 cases announced in BC today, but keep in mind this isn't for a single day, but over a 4 day period as they don't update on weekends or holidays.

Positivity rate remains very low at 1.39 per cent. Over 10,000 testing being done daily.





BristolUK Oct 13th 2020 11:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12921703)
I think the article was referring to these new confusing rules.

The Liverpool City Region will be placed under ''very high'' coronavirus alert from Wednesday 14 October.

This means pubs and bars there cannot open unless they ''operate as if they were a restaurant'' and serve ''substantial'' meals. Alcohol can only be served as part of those meals.

So in the unrestricted areas they can have a pint in front of them in a pub and in the restricted areas they can also have a pint in front of them in a pub - it just needs some food as well.
So that person's criticism that you can have a pie but not a pint is actually incorrect. ;)

Here we had the outbreak at the special care home - residents/staff/close contacts - and a potential exposure in three places because one of the staff or close contacts had visited those three places when asymptomatic (and possibly not a carrier anyway, just someone self isolating because of the care home connection). Someone then complains that there were infections at those places and they're still open.
It's either people not reading or listening properly or just accepting what they hear without checking themselves.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 14th 2020 7:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I wouldn't hold my breath in anticipation of the borders reopening soon.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/trudeau-...drop-1.1508077

Pulaski Oct 14th 2020 7:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12921744)
.... It's either people not reading or listening properly or just accepting what they hear without checking themselves.

Or maybe they're just stupid? :unsure:

Occam's razor should be our guide. :nod:

BristolUK Oct 14th 2020 9:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Record daily infections cropping up the world over, 9.00 pm curfews in several cities in France.

It's not going away.

BristolUK Oct 14th 2020 10:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12921703)
The Liverpool City Region will be placed under ''very high'' coronavirus alert from Wednesday 14 October.

This means pubs and bars there cannot open unless they ''operate as if they were a restaurant'' and serve ''substantial'' meals. Alcohol can only be served as part of those meals.

Stolen from another part


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...123eae264b.png

Stumpylegs Oct 14th 2020 10:09 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12921967)
I wouldn't hold my breath in anticipation of the borders reopening soon.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/trudeau-...drop-1.1508077

I read an article discussing that somewhere else (possibly CBC) about an hour ago - its the first time he has called out the US on its own as somewhere being unsafe for COVID (that I'm aware of at least)

Does that mean he may look to actually stick a middle finger up to trump and allows NZ/Aus etc in prior to the US??

Expect Britain will be back of the queue as we're in a mess I think, although I still don't really know.

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 14th 2020 10:22 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12922003)

The situation is worsening.

I read earlier of a "serious debate" as to whether a pastie would be considered a "substantial meal". :blink:

printer Oct 14th 2020 11:23 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12921994)
Record daily infections cropping up the world over, 9.00 pm curfews in several cities in France.

It's not going away.

You have to wonder just what the powers that be are going to do next. Old Boris came under fire for the 10 pm curfew as it was not solving the issue at hand. He has constantly said he doesn't want another lock down and i'm sure France and Spain feel the same yet there is mounting pressure from other MP's to shut it all down. Labour have been very vocal about a total lock down and when we see people being interviewed on the street it amazes me how many will say things like "the government need to lock us all down and get firm with people" I wonder if they are living in some dream world where the government pays everyone to sit at home for as long as it takes and we all live happily ever after. Even the WHO have now come out and said lock downs are not the answer and they cause too many other issues. So what is the answer?
I sure as hell don't know

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 15th 2020 12:00 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
158 new cases in BC today. No deaths reported today. 84 in hospital with 24 in ICU

Most of the new cases are in Fraser Health.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...da469d6e3d.png







Pulaski Oct 15th 2020 12:40 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12922027)
You have to wonder just what the powers that be are going to do next. Old Boris came under fire for the 10 pm curfew as it was not solving the issue at hand. He has constantly said he doesn't want another lock down and i'm sure France and Spain feel the same yet there is mounting pressure from other MP's to shut it all down. Labour have been very vocal about a total lock down and when we see people being interviewed on the street it amazes me how many will say things like "the government need to lock us all down and get firm with people" I wonder if they are living in some dream world where the government pays everyone to sit at home for as long as it takes and we all live happily ever after. Even the WHO have now come out and said lock downs are not the answer and they cause too many other issues. So what is the answer?
I sure as hell don't know

I am increasingly thinking that the genie is out of the bottle and the only "sensible" option is to tell everyone to wear a mask, to SD, and to stay home as much as possible. .... Then remove all other restrictions. If you're stupid enough to crowd into a bar with 200 other people to watch a football game, or if you want to pile into a busy shop, or crowd into a train, then more fool you! :unsure:

printer Oct 15th 2020 12:51 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12922039)
I am increasingly thinking that the genie is out of the bottle and the only "sensible" option is to tell everyone to wear a mask, to SD, and to stay home as much as possible. .... Then remove all other restrictions. If you're stupid enough to crowd into a bar with 200 other people to watch a football game, or if you want to pile into a busy shop, or crowd into a train, then more fool you! :unsure:

Black Friday could be interesting this year.:ohmy:

Danny B Oct 15th 2020 1:23 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12922039)
I am increasingly thinking that the genie is out of the bottle and the only "sensible" option is to tell everyone to wear a mask, to SD, and to stay home as much as possible. .... Then remove all other restrictions. If you're stupid enough to crowd into a bar with 200 other people to watch a football game, or if you want to pile into a busy shop, or crowd into a train, then more fool you! :unsure:

That is exactly what I was going to write. Consider your mask as a vaccine and remove the restrictions. It's a lose - lose situation whatever happens.

Keep people locked up all winter and people will die. Perhaps not from COVID, but other reasons.
Open up the economy and enforce masks and people will still die. Deaths here in my part of BC are very low, If I was a small business owner I'd be prepared to risk it.

I am in favour of keeping the OAP homes locked down though. Those poor buggers bear the brunt of this horrible virus.






printer Oct 15th 2020 5:12 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12922043)
That is exactly what I was going to write. Consider your mask as a vaccine and remove the restrictions. It's a lose - lose situation whatever happens.

Keep people locked up all winter and people will die. Perhaps not from COVID, but other reasons.
Open up the economy and enforce masks and people will still die. Deaths here in my part of BC are very low, If I was a small business owner I'd be prepared to risk it.

I am in favour of keeping the OAP homes locked down though. Those poor buggers bear the brunt of this horrible virus.

A comical point of view from "an internet source" and i quote:

The average life expectancy in the UK is 81 years. The average age of death in people with Covid is 82.4 years. Covid — the illness you have to be dead to die of.

macadian Oct 15th 2020 1:09 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
My nephew (In Scotland) and his wife now have covid. She is a teacher. Who would have thunk it.....

Jerseygirl Oct 15th 2020 3:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
783 new cases yesterday and 5 deaths yesterday in Ontario. 239 in Toronto. 40,000 people tested.

Former Lancastrian Oct 15th 2020 5:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12922011)
The situation is worsening.

I read earlier of a "serious debate" as to whether a pastie would be considered a "substantial meal". :blink:

Well throw in a bag of crisps and pork scratching's you now have a 3 course gourmet meal.

macadian Oct 15th 2020 5:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12922266)
Well throw in a bag of crisps and pork scratching's you now have a 3 course gourmet meal.

Dont for get the HP brown sauce!

Pulaski Oct 15th 2020 5:44 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12922266)
Well throw in a bag of crisps and pork scratching's you now have a 3 course gourmet meal.

I thought a three course meal was a starter, main course, and pudding? ..... Maybe the crisps could be an appetiser, but I think you'd need a spotted dick to have a three course meal. :unsure:

Pulaski Oct 15th 2020 5:52 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12922242)
783 new cases yesterday and 5 deaths yesterday in Ontario. 239 in Toronto. 40,000 people tested.

The long term average deaths per day in the US, for all reasons, is about 11,500, the current pandemic deaths/ day in the US is averaging around 700-800, so the number of deaths caused by coronavirus is about 7% of total deaths, in other words, of the people who die today in the US, approximately 13 out of every 14 will die for something other than coronavirus.

Is coronavirus serious? Yes it is, but I am increasingly thinking that it has attracted greater gravity than is objectively warranted. :unsure:

BuckinghamshireBoy Oct 15th 2020 8:07 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12922274)
I thought a three course meal was a starter, main course, and pudding? ..... Maybe the crisps could be an appetiser, but I think you'd need a spotted dick to have a three course meal. :unsure:

Nailed it right there.

And not a crème brûlée in sight.

:thumbs_up:

Gozit Oct 15th 2020 8:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12922276)
The long term average deaths per day in the US, for all reasons, is about 11,500, the current pandemic deaths/ day in the US is averaging around 700-800, so the number of deaths caused by coronavirus is about 7% of total deaths, in other words, of the people who die today in the US, approximately 13 out of every 14 will die for something other than coronavirus.

Is coronavirus serious? Yes it is, but I am increasingly thinking that it has attracted greater gravity than is objectively warranted. :unsure:

Interesting, seems you've changed your tune on it in the last month or so?

Pulaski Oct 15th 2020 8:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 12922320)
Interesting, seems you've changed your tune on it in the last month or so?

A little maybe - I think people should stay home, but I am a pragmatist and [1] clearly people don't want to be forced to stay home, and [2] the economy is going to implode if there is another extended lock-down.

So if people are too stupid to heed the advice and/or consider the risk of death, or unknown longer term health consequences of covid infection, to be less important than going to work, then so be it. Western democratic countries just aren't equipped to enforce 100% lock-downs and clearly attempts at partial lock-downs have failed (the UK and most of Western Europe is now deep into a second wave that is worse than the first, at least in numbers of infections) so at the moment the UK and western European countries appear to be about to destroy their own economies in a futile attempt to reduce the infection rate, but it hasn't worked so far, so why are they persuing the same policy that has already failed? :rolleyes:

Oh, and [3] There isn't a shortage of stupid people in the world.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 15th 2020 8:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12922322)
A little maybe - I think people should stay home, but I am a pragmatist and [1] clearly people don't want to be forced to stay home, and [2] the economy is going to implode if there is another extended lock-down.

So if people are too stupid to heed the advice and/or consider the risk of death, or unknown longer term health consequences of covid infection, to be less important than going to work, then so be it. Western democratic countries just aren't equipped to enforce 100% lock-downs and clearly attempts at partial lock-downs have failed (the UK and most of Western Europe is now deep into a second wave that is worse than the first, at least in numbers of infections) so at the moment the UK and western European countries appear to be about to destroy their own economies in a futile attempt to reduce the infection rate, but it hasn't worked so far, so why are they persuing the same policy that has already failed? :rolleyes:

Oh, and [3] There isn't a shortage of stupid people in the world.


If only every had the option to work from home.

dave_j Oct 15th 2020 9:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12922322)
A little maybe - I think people should stay home, but I am a pragmatist and [1] clearly people don't want to be forced to stay home, and [2] the economy is going to implode if there is another extended lock-down.
So if people are too stupid to heed the advice and/or consider the risk of death, or unknown longer term health consequences of covid infection, to be less important than going to work, then so be it. Western democratic countries just aren't equipped to enforce 100% lock-downs and clearly attempts at partial lock-downs have failed (the UK and most of Western Europe is now deep into a second wave that is worse than the first, at least in numbers of infections) so at the moment the UK and western European countries appear to be about to destroy their own economies in a futile attempt to reduce the infection rate, but it hasn't worked so far, so why are they persuing the same policy that has already failed? :rolleyes:
Oh, and [3] There isn't a shortage of stupid people in the world.

I agree with the basic argument you make. Given that a vaccine will be unavailable on a wide scale until mid/late 2021 then we can expect a great number to become infected in spite of lock downs.
As an oldie I don't relish a cull of those of my age but as a general rule we acquiesce to culls of the young during wars. Can it be that a reluctance to allow the virus to burn itself out results from so many policy makers being in sensitive and threatened categories?
I've said it before that when I was young many dangerous illnesses were abroad and as a population we accepted the risk and carried on as usual.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23...age-race-14863 contains some interesting statistics that confirm the risk to under 55s being relatively low and below 35 is very low.
It's a difficult decision and I hate to admit it, but Trump has a valid argument when he promotes economic activity for the working class over risks to the elderly.
If we examine the acceleration in infection rates in the UK and Europe, it's clear that infections are not under control and who can argue with the mayor of Manchester when he questions the order from London to lock down when to do so will be only a temporary stop gap measure that'll very likely only pause the path of infections yielding very little permanent success.
Of course the counter argument is that attempting to build a 'firebreak' lowers the infection numbers in the short term allowing health systems to cope following scares earlier in the year, but techniques to cope with the illness have improved and although the threat to the elderly and infirm remains, the lower threat to those who need to work to earn money to feed their families should carry more weight than lawmakers seem to give it.
Perhaps a cull of elderly lawmakers will be a good thing.

jackinthetree Oct 15th 2020 9:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12920480)
Indeed it does.

BC seems to be taking the, as long as deaths and ICU patients remain low we will stay open and business as usual for the most part. Schools are open, and only closures on businesses are night clubs and banquet halls. Pubs can be open with some restrictions such as no alcohol sales after 10pm, but otherwise nothing really is different here except we wear masks now.

We are seeing increasing cases and have been since late summer, but death rate isn't following, and ICU admissions not climbing exponentially either, so they seem to be managing things well through contact tracing still.

We don't even have mandatory mask rules in place, although most businesses require masks to enter.

BC is bollocks. I had Covid-19 and wasn't allowed to take a test. This was when Henry was getting all the credit for "record low numbers" - yeah, because she refused to test anyone.



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