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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12899590)
You edited the last bit in while I was typing my post...yes i would say definitely a social issue, I don't do well by myself at all and wouldn't do well in a scenario where I couldn't leave my house for a certain period of time. .
Kids these days, i tell ya, they don't even know their born :p |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12899667)
I think I said this before back in March, but can you imagine being locked up in a prison cell for 20hrs a day? My 17 year old Daughter was going stir crazy for a while there when things were locked down hard and she had multiple TVs, full use of the internet, 2,000 sq ft home, back yard, she could cook food, face time her friends and do whatever the hell she wanted inside, but she was still bored as shit.
Kids these days, i tell ya, they don't even know their born :p And at the Super Max in Colorado the feds run, I don't know anyone could stay sane. |
Re: Coronavirus
80 new cases in BC today, hospitalizations remain low.
780 active cases. Most new cases still in the 20-29 age group, although there is a small increase in the 40-60 age group. Most new cases 78 of 80 were in Vancouver Coastal Health and Fraser Health, Interior health saw 0 cases between yesterday and today, Northern Health saw 1, Island Health saw 1 for a total of 80. 1 new community outbreak, Loblaws Warehouse where 9 employees have so far tested positive. 2,574 people being monitored due to being exposed to known cases. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
(Post 12899637)
You need a broader perspective than just your own. There are about 790,000 confirmed Covid deaths worldwide, never mind the others that have not been counted.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020...aps-and-cases/ No social life or summer holidays is the least of anyone's worries. There are people whose family members have had to die alone in hospital because family members can't come in. Some have long-lasting serious health problems as a result of being ill. Others have lost their jobs and had their livelihoods destroyed. Some people are being evicted because they cannot pay. Others have been separated from the people they love for months, with no idea when that might change. Others have people they love at high risk, who have been hiding indoors for months. Others have not been able to receive medical treatment for cancer and other nasty diseases because they cannot use the hospitals. It is not a big deal over nothing and it's not helpful to say that it is since that promotes the kind of behaviour that means that more people will die before a vaccine can be found. It also trivializes the situations of people who have been very severely impacted. The more all do, in every way, to slow the spread, the more people will be saved before a vaccine comes along. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12899439)
I'm not worried about the actual test, I just don't want to self isolate for any reason, so I just won't ever get tested.
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12899485)
It's not the issue of if the test was positive I would have to self isolate, it is the issue of in between the test being conducted and the results coming through you have to self-isolate regardless and that could be anywhere from 2-5 days.
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12899575)
There is no alternative to self isolating if you have confirmed covid test or covid symptoms, and self isolating is just, well, inconvenient.
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12899586)
. If I did develop severe flu like symptoms I would definitely self isolate as much as possible until those symptoms cleared, but still wouldn't get tested. Again, don't want public health on my trail for weeks on end. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by printer
(Post 12899736)
So what's that, 0.01% of the worlds population? All these things you mention are because of the various government strategies to try and combat the virus they are not a direct result of the virus itself. Lost jobs, closed businesses, people staying indoors, people prevented from seeing loved ones are all because the powers that be said NO and closed everything down and stopped people going out.
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Re: Coronavirus
Politicians in March- Nobody will lose their housing during this pandemic.
Politicians in August- Landlords can resume evicting tenants for being unable to pay rent, but must work a repayment plan for rent not paid between March and August. How things change in 5 months, guess the pandemic is over and unemployment back to 5%. Anyhow looks like an earlier article today saying no new deaths in BC was not correct, there were 2 deaths bringing the total deaths to 200. "More than 4,000 tests were completed in the last 24 hours, Dix said Thursday, and currently just under two per cent of tests are positive." BC is ramping up capacity for testing and they want to be able to do 20,000 tests per day in the fall, and recommending anyone with cold or flu symptoms even mild ones to get tested. (good to see they are taking flu season into account which will lead to more people needing to be tested since there is no other way to know COVID, or flu.) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...t-20-1.5694237 |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
(Post 12899765)
Not really. People who die from covid-19 and can't have family members with them in hospital, their deaths were a direct result of the virus, the rule that their family members couldn't be with them when they died is a health strategy which I believe has mostly been relaxed now. These family members still have to wear full PPE, which as I'm sure you'll agree is only sensible. People who are left with long term health problems from covid-19 aren't this way because of a government strategy, they have long term health problems as a direct result of having the virus.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by printer
(Post 12899736)
So what's that, 0.01% of the worlds population? All these things you mention are because of the various government strategies to try and combat the virus they are not a direct result of the virus itself. Lost jobs, closed businesses, people staying indoors, people prevented from seeing loved ones are all because the powers that be said NO and closed everything down and stopped people going out. There is no way that a vaccine will be around for a very long time, years probably so what is the future for all those that choose to wait for a vaccine? Seems very bleak to me. Right now there are still many worried people out there and a lot of faith is being put on masks right now. If we are still seeing spikes and government controls 6 months from now do you not think that the general public will start to lose faith in all these protocols and regulations? I am pretty sure the majority of people are not thinking long term, lets face it pretty much everything that was cancelled this year was just delayed until next Spring/Summer, major events and personal ones like weddings etc. yet do we really and truly believe we will be in a totally different situation next summer? I would love to think we would be but without a cure or vaccine that seems impossible so social life and holidays will become a distant memory
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
(Post 12899765)
Not really. People who die from covid-19 and can't have family members with them in hospital, their deaths were a direct result of the virus, the rule that their family members couldn't be with them when they died is a health strategy which I believe has mostly been relaxed now. These family members still have to wear full PPE, which as I'm sure you'll agree is only sensible. People who are left with long term health problems from covid-19 aren't this way because of a government strategy, they have long term health problems as a direct result of having the virus.
Originally Posted by printer
(Post 12899787)
True, i was really picking out the other ones mentioned like lost jobs, closed businesses, being evicted etc. So yes whilst there are many that have died or become very ill with it and many left with lasting health problems there are many many others who are only suffering as a result of the governments choices. A local diner to me that was family owned and run and did a great breakfast has folded. Not one of the family or staff members became ill but they had to shut as per the rules in place, sadly they never reopened. The virus had no direct affect on them but the mandated closure did. This, in time, might be the bigger problem as we try to get back to some normal but governments keep shutting things down.
Of course there is the 0.01% who get really sick from it as well as the vulnerable population and we want to protect them but the majority of people are just simply inconvenienced by these protocols, and the majority of cases recover with no lasting illness. A local restaurant where I live that I really liked never opened its doors back up, either. :( |
Re: Coronavirus
Yesterday I was advised that my primary client, a conservative financial institution, will be reopening some offices with limited staff at the end of January, subject to the situation being unchanged. After a pilot they may return to staffing levels approximately 1/3 of what they were before. That's half a year away. This virus really has brought about a sea change.
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Re: Coronavirus
It certainly has
my industry may never recover. Id say that 90% of the people I’ve worked with in the last 6 years no longer have a job. Those of us that remain are trying to figure out how to replicate events that normally host 25000 people. of course for a lot of companies that simply means not doing them. Which is how I currently find myself working on various future scenarios for our board. Not all of which include me having a job virtually overnight an entire industry disappears and at the moment I’m on of the lucky ones... so forgive me if I don’t give a shit about people’s ability to go out and party |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Zoe Bell
(Post 12899898)
It certainly has
my industry may never recover. Id say that 90% of the people I’ve worked with in the last 6 years no longer have a job. Those of us that remain are trying to figure out how to replicate events that normally host 25000 people. of course for a lot of companies that simply means not doing them. Which is how I currently find myself working on various future scenarios for our board. Not all of which include me having a job virtually overnight an entire industry disappears and at the moment I’m on of the lucky ones... so forgive me if I don’t give a shit about people’s ability to go out and party I join you in not giving much of a shit about the agonizing deprivations of those denied access to diners and recreational air travel. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12899906)
Did you watch the DNC? I thought that showed the future for meetings and conventions. I'm glad I had a few years of the drunkenness and fornication that defined technical conferences but, I suppose, if you actually want to discuss something, it's better to WebEx than to go to Vegas or New Orleans. It's trickier for bribes but not all customers are government departments.
I join you in not giving much of a shit about the agonizing deprivations of those denied access to diners and recreational air travel. I hate webex. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Zoe Bell
(Post 12899898)
It certainly has
my industry may never recover. Id say that 90% of the people I’ve worked with in the last 6 years no longer have a job. Those of us that remain are trying to figure out how to replicate events that normally host 25000 people. of course for a lot of companies that simply means not doing them. Which is how I currently find myself working on various future scenarios for our board. Not all of which include me having a job virtually overnight an entire industry disappears and at the moment I’m on of the lucky ones... so forgive me if I don’t give a shit about people’s ability to go out and party |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12899906)
Did you watch the DNC? I thought that showed the future for meetings and conventions. I'm glad I had a few years of the drunkenness and fornication that defined technical conferences but, I suppose, if you actually want to discuss something, it's better to WebEx than to go to Vegas or New Orleans. It's trickier for bribes but not all customers are government departments.
I join you in not giving much of a shit about the agonizing deprivations of those denied access to diners and recreational air travel. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Zoe Bell
(Post 12899955)
oh there may be a future in the industry but not for those who physically build booths etc, run power to them , manage in people registrations and the like. Again I'm lucky it looks like i'm going to stay employed, my employer has gone down the retraining route . I'm now more akin to a TV producer!
When we did shows in union towns, NYC. San Francisco, New Orleans before the union was busted, some others, we'd put the booth together and then pay several hundred dollars for someone to come and plug the power bar into the wall. I am saddened to think that someone with such specialised skills has been sidelined by the pandemic. Where will these people ever find a similar position? |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12899906)
Did you watch the DNC? I thought that showed the future for meetings and conventions. I'm glad I had a few years of the drunkenness and fornication that defined technical conferences but, I suppose, if you actually want to discuss something, it's better to WebEx than to go to Vegas or New Orleans. It's trickier for bribes but not all customers are government departments.
I join you in not giving much of a shit about the agonizing deprivations of those denied access to diners and recreational air travel. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12900011)
I'd agree with much of that ...although my experience had less of the fornication but some of the drunkenness... working on the buying stuff end, I've always had the experience that if you want to buy sh1t it's better to set up a 1:1 meeting with a vendor, real or virtual, so that they give you their full attention rather than trying to hurry you off the booth so they can talk to the next customer. There is benefit in being able to see a big bunch of vendors/customers in one spot though & the social networking (cf fornication and drunkenness) is an important aspect & one that is difficult to do over Zoom. I actually think there will be a bit of a swing back to in person gatherings as a backlash if and when we are all vaccinated against Covid but normality as we used to know it is some years away.
IMO if they can lay the hammer down and make SD, masks, quarantine mandatory then they can make the vaccine mandatory so we CAN go back to normal. Not "new normal", old normal, real normal |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Zoe Bell
(Post 12899898)
It certainly has
my industry may never recover. Id say that 90% of the people I’ve worked with in the last 6 years no longer have a job. Those of us that remain are trying to figure out how to replicate events that normally host 25000 people. of course for a lot of companies that simply means not doing them. Which is how I currently find myself working on various future scenarios for our board. Not all of which include me having a job virtually overnight an entire industry disappears and at the moment I’m on of the lucky ones... so forgive me if I don’t give a shit about people’s ability to go out and party :goodpost: 100% of my old co-workers have lost their job at YVR, sure it was a small company with only 250 employees, but still 250 people who lost their job in a matter of days in March without any warning. And pretty much anything hotel, convention, tourism, airline industries and those industries who rely on them indirectly are suffering hardcore at the moment with so many people out of work. The amount of people out of work now vs January is like double, and from experience in the current job market if your out of work, it is really difficult to even get an interview, even for very basic jobs, and based on how fast job ads are being deactivated on indeed, seems employers get overwhelmed with resumes very quickly and pull their ad down sometimes within a couple hours. Lots of people suffering economically due to loss of employment. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12900011)
I'd agree with much of that ...although my experience had less of the fornication but some of the drunkenness... working on the buying stuff end, I've always had the experience that if you want to buy sh1t it's better to set up a 1:1 meeting with a vendor, real or virtual, so that they give you their full attention rather than trying to hurry you off the booth so they can talk to the next customer. There is benefit in being able to see a big bunch of vendors/customers in one spot though & the social networking (cf fornication and drunkenness) is an important aspect & one that is difficult to do over Zoom. I actually think there will be a bit of a swing back to in person gatherings as a backlash if and when we are all vaccinated against Covid but normality as we used to know it is some years away.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12900070)
The nature of the show depends on the crowd. If it's a defense industry show then there's a lot of overt prostitution, vendors walking around with girls on their arms, that sort of thing. If it's a hardware show then drunkenness is the thing.
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Re: Coronavirus
And if a large percentage of your attendees have been out in the field for the previous six months with no female company...... then it certainly makes for some interesting stories.
i fear that the lack of an in person event in March will be the last straw for establishments such as the brass rail |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
(Post 12900072)
...and if it's a government departmental conference, it's both hotel room hopping and drunkenness. Although I've only had personal experience of the latter :o
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12900085)
I think I can claim comprehensive experience of trade shows. Actually, I have a display booth, a podium, an easel with a logo, various sound and light attachments and a crate of company logo shot glasses in the garage attic so if anyone would like to relive the experience that can be arranged.
Mind you, I could be interested in that crate of shot glasses if the price is right. |
Re: Coronavirus
BC is going to up enforcement. Giving law enforcement authority to issue $2,000 fines for people hosing large events violating public health orders in place.
"According to the announcement, organizers can be fined for hosting an event with more than 50 guests, for not keeping a contact list, or for hosting more than five people in a vacation accommodation.": "The $2,000 tickets will apply to owners, organizers, venues and promoters. The province also says any attendees who do not follow instructions from police or enforcement staff and refuse to leave events could be issued $200 violation tickets." Besides regular police, liquor, cannabis and gaming inspectors, community safety unit inspectors, conservation officers and WorkSafeBC officers are also now able to issue fines for public health violations. CBC Nobody can say the government did warn this would happen, they warned people for the past month. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12900140)
BC is going to up enforcement. Giving law enforcement authority to issue $2,000 fines for people hosing large events violating public health orders in place.
"According to the announcement, organizers can be fined for hosting an event with more than 50 guests, for not keeping a contact list, or for hosting more than five people in a vacation accommodation.": "The $2,000 tickets will apply to owners, organizers, venues and promoters. The province also says any attendees who do not follow instructions from police or enforcement staff and refuse to leave events could be issued $200 violation tickets." Besides regular police, liquor, cannabis and gaming inspectors, community safety unit inspectors, conservation officers and WorkSafeBC officers are also now able to issue fines for public health violations. CBC Nobody can say the government did warn this would happen, they warned people for the past month. So a family of 6 is not allowed to rent a vacation home together even if they live under the same roof / are in the same "social bubble"? |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12900153)
Big brother at it again, too bad.
So a family of 6 is not allowed to rent a vacation home together even if they live under the same roof / are in the same "social bubble"? The vacation rental rule is relatively new though. It came about due to July long weekend and people cramming into small vacation homes and house boats which led to several new outbreaks and increases in cases. People were warned to follow the rules for 6 weeks now, people chose not to follow the rules cases kept climbing, and now more enforcement, so its not like the government didn't provide any warning they warned people daily for over a month. Total active cases in BC on July 1 = 176 Total active cases in BC on August 1 = 295 Total active cases as of August 20 = 780 That is why they are upping enforcement especially since earlier this week we hit all time highs for active cases and last Saturday I believe broke the single day record of new cases. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
(Post 12900091)
No no, I meant I've only had personal experience of drunkenness at govt. conferences, not 'the other' :lol:
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12899770)
Politicians in March- Nobody will lose their housing during this pandemic.
Politicians in August- Landlords can resume evicting tenants for being unable to pay rent, but must work a repayment plan for rent not paid between March and August. How things change in 5 months, guess the pandemic is over and unemployment back to 5%. They haven't had any rent money from their tenant in 5 months, sometimes the landlords need the money just as much as the renter. |
Re: Coronavirus
Good news for people like me... and no doubt a few others on here! https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...-benefits.html
Canada Recovery Benefit The new Canada Recovery Benefit would be effective from September 27, 2020 for one year and would provide a benefit amount of $400 per week for up to 26 weeks to workers who are not eligible for EI, mainly the self-employed and including those working in the gig economy. The benefit would be available to residents in Canada who:
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 12900200)
Good news for people like me... and no doubt a few others on here! https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...-benefits.html
:thumbup: BC is set to drop the COVID premium they were giving to disabled after next weeks payment, guess the pandemic is over....unless they extend it. Vancouver Coastal Health is turning to tik tok for COVID messages. Earlier in the pandemic 20-39 group made up 21% of cases in VCH, the age group currently stands just about 50% of cases in VCH. No idea what the average age of a tik tok user is, 30+ may not be as active on there... Global Article. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12900207)
BC is set to drop the COVID premium they were giving to disabled after next weeks payment, guess the pandemic is over....unless they extend it. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53870798 |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12900237)
Two years apparently...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53870798 I think some of the programs are ending prematurely, unemployment is still double what it was in Jan/Feb, so while better than March and April, it's still not good. |
Re: Coronavirus
90 new cases in BC today
2 more deaths 824 active cases (this might be the most active cases we have seen at one time.) Hospitalizations are low but rising slowly, up 3 since yesterday to 13, with ICU up 1 patient for a total of 5. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...t-21-1.5695747 |
Re: Coronavirus
Seems it only took a few hours after the province said fines would be coming for someone to hold a party and not follow the rules.
And the host was warned before police resorts to issuing a fine, but when place came back later that night, the party had gotten bigger. Many of the party attendees were youth according to police. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12900724)
Seems it only took a few hours after the province said fines would be coming for someone to hold a party and not follow the rules.
And the host was warned before police resorts to issuing a fine, but when place came back later that night, the party had gotten bigger. Many of the party attendees were youth according to police. That reminded me of my City's enforcement policies - and the statistics.. shame other places don't publish the same! I know a few who should have got a warning .. and some that should do soon. https://www.hamilton.ca/coronavirus/...ut-enforcement |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 12900789)
Idiots!
That reminded me of my City's enforcement policies - and the statistics.. shame other places don't publish the same! I know a few who should have got a warning .. and some that should do soon. https://www.hamilton.ca/coronavirus/...ut-enforcement https://globalnews.ca/news/7293867/v...nd-covid-fine/ |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12901014)
They didn't learn, police had to attend to the same apartment early Sunday morning, this time with 15 people at the party, one person was arrested and fined $200 + $30 victim surcharge.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7293867/v...nd-covid-fine/ COPS broke up an illegal rave with 300 people in Huddersfield and 70 other parties in Birmingham despite a looming lockdown threat. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews...ocal-lockdown/ |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by printer
(Post 12901028)
Could be worse, seems the UK has some serious issues.
COPS broke up an illegal rave with 300 people in Huddersfield and 70 other parties in Birmingham despite a looming lockdown threat. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews...ocal-lockdown/ |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12901036)
Yeah I reading some of the UK articles on one of the UK news sites, they apparently also used thermal imaging from the air on at least one party to find them.
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