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Shard Sep 14th 2020 12:59 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12909640)
In the UK we started Monday morning with 30 schools with Covid 19 infections, five days later there are 620.
There are no words to describe how dangerous this Conservative Government is to the health of the nation.

Plenty of mismanagement. Having said that, a large segment of society seems very unconcerned about the pandemic too. The focus has been on summer, then European beach holidays, and now "not cancelling Christmas".

printer Sep 14th 2020 1:01 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12909574)
So just a day or two ago you were complaining about heavy-handed enforcement (re a plane mask regulation) now you're complaining about lack of enforcement. I am not sure if you just like to complain, or maybe you just want more enforcement against young yahoos, and less against "honest working families?" :unsure:

Well ok but last time i looked at the latest information coming out of Dr Bonnie Henrys mouth the restrictions were being imposed because this is exactly where the spikes were occurring and they were clamping down.
There was and has never been (to my knowledge) any spikes in cases due to 3 year olds not wearing a mask on a plane. Yet we impose the full force of the law on said family but somehow we are not able to enforce the rules regarding large party crowds. It's not a level playing field is it? Which of the two scenarios was the one that posed the most risk?

Jingsamichty Sep 14th 2020 9:02 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12909648)
Plenty of mismanagement. Having said that, a large segment of society seems very unconcerned about the pandemic too. The focus has been on summer, then European beach holidays, and now "not cancelling Christmas".

Spot on. Talk about mixed messages from the Government... Stay at Home!! Eat out to Help Out!! No gatherings of xxx people! Get back to work! Don't travel if unnecessary!! Here's a list of countries you can go on holiday to!! We've increased testing capacity to world-beating records!! Too many people are wanting tests!!

And, for the icing on the cake, we're steaming ahead to derail the economy and our standing in the world with Brexit...

Shard Sep 14th 2020 11:24 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12909733)
Spot on. Talk about mixed messages from the Government... Stay at Home!! Eat out to Help Out!! No gatherings of xxx people! Get back to work! Don't travel if unnecessary!! Here's a list of countries you can go on holiday to!! We've increased testing capacity to world-beating records!! Too many people are wanting tests!!

And, for the icing on the cake, we're steaming ahead to derail the economy and our standing in the world with Brexit...

Honestly, it's too painful to watch. Although normally quite the newshound, over the last several months I've been tuning it out.

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 14th 2020 11:16 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
317 new cases over the weekend, 6 deaths.

Hospitalizations are up 9 since Friday to a total of 58.

1,594 active cases.

Dr. Henry warns the large number of new cases is putting heavy strain on the public health teams.

Positive test rate is 1.85% up a bit, but still below the WHO's 5%.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...r-14-1.5723590

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 15th 2020 11:02 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
63 in hospital now in BC, up 22 from a week ago, although only 97 new cases today, and no deaths so that's good.

Stumpylegs Sep 16th 2020 7:41 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
And the US border closure to be extended for another month. With reports its going to be another couple of months at least.
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printer Sep 17th 2020 12:34 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12910456)
63 in hospital now in BC, up 22 from a week ago, although only 97 new cases today, and no deaths so that's good.

Saw this on another forum and it's interesting reading:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0f6a22fa3.jpeg

Danny B Sep 17th 2020 1:12 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12910998)
Saw this on another forum and it's interesting reading:

Chance of not dying from COVID 99.9%
Average person I meet that thinks they will catch COVID if they leave their house 99.9% :lol:


Gozit Sep 17th 2020 1:18 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12910998)
Saw this on another forum and it's interesting reading:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0f6a22fa3.jpeg

Yep, all this fuss over nothing. There are plenty of things we do each day that we have a higher chance of dying from then COVID. That university professor who called it the "COVID Fake emergency" was right.

caretaker Sep 17th 2020 6:22 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Long-term care homes in Ontario are reporting new outbreaks as case numbers spike;
"In Ontario, 20 long-term care homes have already reported COVID-19 outbreaks. West End Villa in Ottawa is the hardest hit, with six deaths in the past two weeks and 47 residents and 11 staff members testing positive."
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health...rise-1.5108306

Jerseygirl Sep 17th 2020 9:47 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12911037)
Long-term care homes in Ontario are reporting new outbreaks as case numbers spike;
"In Ontario, 20 long-term care homes have already reported COVID-19 outbreaks. West End Villa in Ottawa is the hardest hit, with six deaths in the past two weeks and 47 residents and 11 staff members testing positive."
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health...rise-1.5108306

the Covid figures are climbing in Ontario. A few weeks ago they hovered around just 100 per day, during the last week they have shot up to over 300. It will be interesting to see what happens with schools. Many have only been back a week, here in Toronto state schools are still closed.

Danny B Sep 17th 2020 2:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 12911005)
Yep, all this fuss over nothing. There are plenty of things we do each day that we have a higher chance of dying from then COVID. That university professor who called it the "COVID Fake emergency" was right.

I wouldn't' go so far as to call it 'nothing'. It is something, and I would not like my Mum & Dad to catch it.

Hindsight is always 20/20, and when world leaders look back on 2020 I am sure that the long term impact of shutting the world down for 3-4 months was worse than the virus itself.
Missed hospital operations, suicides, drug overdoes, mental health issues, kids missing out on School, losing your business, losing your job, domestic abuse at home while in quarantine, running out of toilet paper ;) the list goes on and on.

Did governments do the right thing? I think they did. We couldn't just stand around and do nothing with infections increasing.
Until a vaccine is found, think of a mask as your vaccine and open up the world again.

BristolUK Sep 17th 2020 3:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...389b2c5470.jpg

Gozit Sep 17th 2020 4:53 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12911200)
I wouldn't' go so far as to call it 'nothing'. It is something, and I would not like my Mum & Dad to catch it.

Hindsight is always 20/20, and when world leaders look back on 2020 I am sure that the long term impact of shutting the world down for 3-4 months was worse than the virus itself.
Missed hospital operations, suicides, drug overdoes, mental health issues, kids missing out on School, losing your business, losing your job, domestic abuse at home while in quarantine, running out of toilet paper ;) the list goes on and on.

Did governments do the right thing? I think they did. We couldn't just stand around and do nothing with infections increasing.
Until a vaccine is found, think of a mask as your vaccine and open up the world again.

:goodpost:

As much as I dislike masking (and have doubts over its effectiveness) i'd be cool with that.

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 17th 2020 5:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12911079)
the Covid figures are climbing in Ontario. A few weeks ago they hovered around just 100 per day, during the last week they have shot up to over 300. It will be interesting to see what happens with schools. Many have only been back a week, here in Toronto state schools are still closed.

BC is seeing some of the highest daily cases we have seen since this whole thing started.


bc2015 Sep 17th 2020 6:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 12911005)
Yep, all this fuss over nothing. There are plenty of things we do each day that we have a higher chance of dying from then COVID. That university professor who called it the "COVID Fake emergency" was right.

And that's the problem with restrictions - when they work as intended, people come and say what was all the fuss over.

bc2015 Sep 17th 2020 6:02 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12911309)
BC is seeing some of the highest daily cases we have seen since this whole thing started.

Most likely due to better testing.

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 17th 2020 8:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Got an email from Air Canada today, they seem to be trying anything possible to get people to take international trips.

Book a round trip international ticket between today and Oct 31, they will throw in at no additional cost, COVID emergency quarantine and medical insurance. They say it's the most extensive geographical coverage included by a Canadian airline for Canadian residents, covers every outside of Canada destination they fly too, all tickets including aero plan award tickets are eligible.

They end the email with

We hope this new insurance, combined with Air Canada CleanCare+, our industry-leading biosafety measures, and our flexible change and cancellation policies, gives you peace-of-mind for your future international travel.







scrubbedexpat091 Sep 17th 2020 8:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by bc2015 (Post 12911322)
Most likely due to better testing.

No doubt.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...88f820b249.png

despite more testing being done, the positive rate is still a fair bit lower which is a good sign I think.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...6c8b973bed.png



printer Sep 17th 2020 11:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by bc2015 (Post 12911321)
And that's the problem with restrictions - when they work as intended, people come and say what was all the fuss over.

Also the problem with the restrictions they put in place was that there wasn't always a clear "exit" strategy. Shut it all down, flatten the curve, open back up. I realize that they didn't just open the flood gates and say "off you go" but it sure seemed like that looking at the news in UK some days. Only a fool would believe that once we started to open up we weren't going to see a rise and of course increased testing adds to that number.
Already we are seeing large parts of UK under local lock downs because they have run out of ideas. Masks are not the answer they were hoping for, they MAY help but they are far from bringing this thing back down.

MillieF Sep 18th 2020 12:48 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12909760)
Honestly, it's too painful to watch. Although normally quite the newshound, over the last several months I've been tuning it out.

I really agree with this...Pre COVID my husband always said it was like being married to mission control! I needed to know everything as it happened!

I don’t want to know too frequently now...it makes me feel physically sick and very anxious...had I had a guide to losing the plot today, I would have followed it slavishly! I feel that it ‘must’ get better tomorrow- I think that lots of us have moved forward onto the ‘more than normally anxious’ queue!

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 18th 2020 1:02 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Those aged 4 to 18 will no longer need to have a swab stuck up their nose for testing in BC.

BC has a new option, eventually they plan to make it available to all ages but supply is still limited.


caretaker Sep 18th 2020 4:27 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Party animals in Saskatoon - out of 47 attendees, 21 new cases.
"The host of the party has since been fined $2,000 under the province’s public health order which limits all gatherings to 30 people as long as there’s enough space to maintain a two-metre distance."
https://globalnews.ca/news/7342536/s...9-coronavirus/

Nand Sep 18th 2020 12:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
From most countries the statistics are still saying that around 90% of deaths from Covid19 are in the 65 years and over age group.

Why aren't most of the health measures making the over 65's be compliant and let the rest do as they will?

It would be important to put in place assistance to over 65's to allow them to isolate at home if they want to stay at home. For instance free delivery of pharmaceuticals, groceries and safe transportation to medical appointments. Apartment managers should post a sign if there are any over '65people in the building and require masks in halls and elevators and make sure social distancing rules are followed with those people who are over 65.

Younger people can speak up for themselves, mask or not, social distance or not amongst themselves.

If we just reduced the amount of Covid19 cases in the over 65's most of the economic problems wouldbe solved because schools can open, under 65's can work, go to pubs and gyms, party, whatever.
It's really on them if they don't want to mask up or socially distance. They can advise their friends of what they choose or don't choose to comply with.

Anyway, it looks like the majority of people have gotten tired of what is a loss of freedom concerning social distancing and masks.

If over 65's are causing the majority of hospital costs to go up, beds taken up with them lingering on for weeks beforea finally dying then they need to be the ones protecting themselves from getting this virus and be given the support to do so, not younger people who probablywon't even realize they have got SarsCov2 if they contract it!

Everyone could be given the support to be allowed to be free to do what suits them.

I'm over 70 and I understand how people under 65 feel their lives are slipping away under lockdown. As we older ones need to protect ourselves at this time pr we will die, we can't expect everyone else to be locked away for months at a time, its not necessary for younger people to do that. It is us older ones that must do that if we want to live or not. The world can't be made to comply to our needs, we have to make ourselves safe at this time. Hopefully there will be more programs of support so this can happen.

Jerseygirl Sep 18th 2020 2:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by tumbleweedly (Post 12911598)
From most countries the statistics are still saying that around 90% of deaths from Covid19 are in the 65 years and over age group.

Why aren't most of the health measures making the over 65's be compliant and let the rest do as they will?

It would be important to put in place assistance to over 65's to allow them to isolate at home if they want to stay at home. For instance free delivery of pharmaceuticals, groceries and safe transportation to medical appointments. Apartment managers should post a sign if there are any over '65people in the building and require masks in halls and elevators and make sure social distancing rules are followed with those people who are over 65.

Younger people can speak up for themselves, mask or not, social distance or not amongst themselves.

If we just reduced the amount of Covid19 cases in the over 65's most of the economic problems wouldbe solved because schools can open, under 65's can work, go to pubs and gyms, party, whatever.
It's really on them if they don't want to mask up or socially distance. They can advise their friends of what they choose or don't choose to comply with.

Anyway, it looks like the majority of people have gotten tired of what is a loss of freedom concerning social distancing and masks.

If over 65's are causing the majority of hospital costs to go up, beds taken up with them lingering on for weeks beforea finally dying then they need to be the ones protecting themselves from getting this virus and be given the support to do so, not younger people who probablywon't even realize they have got SarsCov2 if they contract it!

Everyone could be given the support to be allowed to be free to do what suits them.

I'm over 70 and I understand how people under 65 feel their lives are slipping away under lockdown. As we older ones need to protect ourselves at this time pr we will die, we can't expect everyone else to be locked away for months at a time, its not necessary for younger people to do that. It is us older ones that must do that if we want to live or not. The world can't be made to comply to our needs, we have to make ourselves safe at this time. Hopefully there will be more programs of support so this can happen.


:goodpost:

Most should try to get back to normal. We need to get on with our lives and get the economy up and running. IMO everyone should wear masks and at least for the time being, stay away from large gatherings. Those over 60/65 and those with health issues should take all necessary precautions.

I have a health issue. I have started to go to the supermarket, here the stores are very quiet, you can usually walk straight up to the cashier. I prefer to use the self checkout if possible, because I prefer to pack my own food and there is less contact with the cashier and my shopping. We have only seen our daughter and granddaughter from approx 10 ft away and that is outside. I can live with this. I know it’s not going to be for ever. Hopefully by next summer things will have improved greatly.

Danny B Sep 18th 2020 2:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12911228)

Knowing how the virus affects the older generation, shouldn't it be the other way around? the parents are in hospital after their adult child attended an event?

Jerseygirl Sep 18th 2020 2:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Ontario has now broken 400 cases...first time in 3 months.

https://www.cp24.com/news/new-covid-...june-1.5110473

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 18th 2020 3:08 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12911647)
Knowing how the virus affects the older generation, shouldn't it be the other way around? the parents are in hospital after their adult child attended an event?

The cartoon makes some sense for the US, as they started to see increasing deaths in younger age groups, the US population tends to be heavier, and less healthy, so I wouldn't say the same shift would happen in Canada since overall Canadian's tend to be healthier. But for the US the cartoon makes sense considering what is going on, although the kid in the cartoon should probably be black since young blacks seem to be dying more than young whites.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/u...ng-deaths.html


BC has made it fairly clear over the last few weeks they don't plan to shut much down, only reason night clubs and banquet places ended up closes as they were the 2 biggest sources of spread, and more than one club was caught not following the rules.

But then we never had a true lock down in BC like other places, not even a mandatory mask rule at the government level.

I do think it will take quite a lot of cases before BC shuts much down, but there doesn't seem to be a number, upside is the positivity rate is fairly low while testing is up, so that is good, anything under 5% positivity is good, and we are still well below that, now if we start to see 10% positivity rates things make change.

BristolUK Sep 18th 2020 3:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by tumbleweedly (Post 12911598)
...It would be important to put in place assistance to over 65's to allow them to isolate at home if they want to stay at home...Younger people can speak up for themselves, mask or not, social distance or not amongst themselves.
.


Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12911641)
Those over 60/65 and those with health issues should take all necessary precautions.

What about all those households with Seniors or people with health issues and younger people with no health issues? Do we confine the young and healthy with the seniors and less healthy or do we split them up?

Jerseygirl Sep 18th 2020 3:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12911668)
What about all those households with Seniors or people with health issues and younger people with no health issues? Do we confine the young and healthy with the seniors and less healthy or do we split them up?


That’s the problem...there isn’t a ‘one size fits all’. In such cases I think you have to take whatever precautions you can and be very sensible.

BristolUK Sep 18th 2020 4:04 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12911670)
That’s the problem...there isn’t a ‘one size fits all’. In such cases I think you have to take whatever precautions you can and be very sensible.

:nod:
I always say "one size fits nobody" :lol:

I just did some googling. Obviously it varies over the world but for North America it seems something approaching 20% of seniors live in households with non seniors while 25% of households have someone with a disability.

Of course not every disability would necessarily be someone at risk but then an awful lot of people with conditions that put them at risk are not disabled either.

When you add in the non seniors who have as yet undiagnosed conditions (they call them silent killers for a reason) that would put them at risk you might have at least half household containing someone at risk.

caretaker Sep 18th 2020 4:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Charmin' over half off at Giant Tiger this morning, limit of 3. Roll on, second wave!

Danny B Sep 18th 2020 4:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12911675)
Charmin' over half off at Giant Tiger this morning, limit of 3. Roll on, second wave!

Knowing what I know from March & April regarding people panic buying unnecessary crap, I will be going back to a once every 2-3 week big food shopping trip over the winter and buying more canned food, big bag of rice, and large cuts of meat.

The winter of 2020/2021 in BC is either going to be a non event (like it has been all Summer), or a complete COVID nightmare. I don't think there will be an in-between.

Jerseygirl Sep 18th 2020 4:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12911674)
:nod:
I always say "one size fits nobody" :lol:

I just did some googling. Obviously it varies over the world but for North America it seems something approaching 20% of seniors live in households with non seniors while 25% of households have someone with a disability.

Of course not every disability would necessarily be someone at risk but then an awful lot of people with conditions that put them at risk are not disabled either.

When you add in the non seniors who have as yet undiagnosed conditions (they call them silent killers for a reason) that would put them at risk you might have at least half household containing someone at risk.

A household near us has 3 generations living there. A 90+ year old man and woman (Russian I think), a middle aged woman (Asian) (I think possibly the DIL) and her teenage autistic son. There is also a middle aged man who comes (rarely) and goes, maybe works away from home, he is the son. Apart from the Asian lady, non speak English, it is difficult to exchange words with her. From what she has said the older man has been ill in bed for 12 months now...he can’t get out of bed. A healhcare worker arrives promptly at 8.30 every morning...others come and go throughout the day.

The old lady goes for a short walk several times a day. Good for her...over 90 and walks every day, in all weather. She often returns carrying a carrier bag, so must have been shopping. The teenager has to be escorted by his mum everywhere. She holds onto his arm, never letting go of him. Normally he is collected every morning by bus, he must go to a special school.

Lots of people, of different age groups, coming and going in that household every day. Hopefully non will be infected by Covid.

Have to say I do not know how the Asian lady copes. The house is on 4 levels, no elevator, 2 x 90+ yr olds (one who is bedridden) and an autistic teenager. I take my hat off to her. :nod:

BristolUK Sep 18th 2020 4:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12911685)
The old lady goes for a short walk several times a day. Good for her...over 90 and walks every day, in all weather. She often returns carrying a carrier bag, so must have been shopping.

You should get her to shop for you instead of instacart :lol:

Jerseygirl Sep 18th 2020 4:53 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12911684)
Knowing what I know from March & April regarding people panic buying unnecessary crap, I will be going back to a once every 2-3 week big food shopping trip over the winter and buying more canned food, big bag of rice, and large cuts of meat.

The winter of 2020/2021 in BC is either going to be a non event (like it has been all Summer), or a complete COVID nightmare. I don't think there will be an in-between.

Over the last few months I have been stocking up on several items. We have had a couple of mild winters, last year it barely snowed, so I am expecting this winter to be pretty brutal and of course there is Covid to consider.

Jerseygirl Sep 18th 2020 4:54 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12911686)
You should get her to shop for you instead of instacart :lol:

:lol:

Danny B Sep 18th 2020 8:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
This made me chuckle.




caretaker Sep 19th 2020 2:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Looks like there was someone getting around on the bus with their little microscopic friends... this could be a challenge for the contact tracers.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...baa10a2998.png


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