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Nand Sep 19th 2020 2:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Yes, totally get you. All vulnerable people, including over 65's should get support in staying at home. I thought people with diabetes and other vulnerable to Covid already got that assitance!

If not, they should get it.

One thing is that, at least where I live, most people are not social distancing or wearing masks and now they have a new word for people like my husband and I who do stay at home. We have been called 'covidphobics' by our landlord and our neighbor becuse we wear masks in the narrow hall ways snd th stairway because it is impossible to social distance in the building. My neighbor sits on stairs in the hall and talks to everyone, she is a 40 year old well educated woman.

I'm seeing how we must all take our own protection very seriously and disregard whatever others think. It is impossible in my area for the government regulations to be regarded as sensible by most people, here anyway, people are being inconsistant and careless with their own health.

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 19th 2020 3:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by tumbleweedly (Post 12911930)
Yes, totally get you. All vulnerable people, including over 65's should get support in staying at home. I thought people with diabetes and other vulnerable to Covid already got that assitance!

If not, they should get it.

One thing is that, at least where I live, most people are not social distancing or wearing masks and now they have a new word for people like my husband and I who do stay at home. We have been called 'covidphobics' by our landlord and our neighbor becuse we wear masks in the narrow hall ways snd th stairway because it is impossible to social distance in the building. My neighbor sits on stairs in the hall and talks to everyone, she is a 40 year old well educated woman.

I'm seeing how we must all take our own protection very seriously and disregard whatever others think. It is impossible in my area for the government regulations to be regarded as sensible by most people, here anyway, people are being inconsistant and careless with their own health.


Pandemic fatigue. At first people are willing to follow the rules, as times goes on less and less people are willing.

I don't think people get much help here in BC, your pretty much on your own, when I got tested the sheet they gave out on isolating if positive basically said, find a 3rd party to help you during the 14 days, like friend or family, so for those without friends, family it can be rough. We ended up being negative so it was only 24 hours, but insta cart suddenly no longer accepts our credit card, so we would be pretty up the creek if we ended up needing to isolate for 14 days without much warning, not sure how we would meet our needs during that time.....

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 19th 2020 5:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
The Conservative leader has COVID, but is feeling well apparently.

From what I gather O'Toole met with Quebec Premier Francois Legault on Monday, and the Quebec Premier went on to meet with Ontario Premier Doug Ford, Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister, and Alberta Premier Jason Kenney in Ottawa on Friday.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conservative-leader-erin-o-toole-tests-positive-for-covid-19-1.5111604

BristolUK Sep 19th 2020 9:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by tumbleweedly (Post 12911930)
Yes, totally get you. All vulnerable people, including over 65's should get support in staying at home. I thought people with diabetes and other vulnerable to Covid already got that assitance!

This seems to vary a lot. There appear to be agencies for such things in the UK as well as general good samaritan types helping out.
Half of my household includes my MIL in her 80s and me 63 with (controlled) diabetes, (mostly) high blood pressure and kidney disease. There are no special arrangements made for us but we're managing with grocery delivery - with fees and higher than off the shelf prices - and taxis to medical appointments and the odd essential other shop if it can be combined with an appointment.

My stepson collects our prescriptions - but my pharmacy will deliver as part of their normal service, so I know that's available. I can also get them to include my diabetic supplies (needles, test strips etc) which I have to pay for (free in the UK normally, even without covid) but then I have to pay full cost whereas if I use a different pharmacy (that doesn't deliver) I can get a 20% senior's discount there.

My stepdaughter works in retail, with a public that takes advantage of her employer's store policy that merely wants people to wear masks but doesn't enforce it even though they do for staff. She really doesn't want to shop in her own time after being in that environment for work. Although she will if needs are great enough.

But all this is against a background of just one current case in our province of 780,000 people. It's almost non-existent here. We've had less than 200 cases in total, since the beginning.

printer Sep 19th 2020 10:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12911951)
Pandemic fatigue. At first people are willing to follow the rules, as times goes on less and less people are willing.

I don't think people get much help here in BC, your pretty much on your own, when I got tested the sheet they gave out on isolating if positive basically said, find a 3rd party to help you during the 14 days, like friend or family, so for those without friends, family it can be rough. We ended up being negative so it was only 24 hours, but insta cart suddenly no longer accepts our credit card, so we would be pretty up the creek if we ended up needing to isolate for 14 days without much warning, not sure how we would meet our needs during that time.....

I think you are right, its tough getting people on board for lengthy periods if there isn't any clear and precise direction from those that govern us. Jesus look at the shambles that has played out in the UK over the last few weeks, so many changes of direction. There was an article that someone on another forum linked to regarding the future weeks and months ahead and this "professor or scientist" (cannot remember his credentials) pretty much stated that even when a vaccine is found we will not be out of the woods and masks could still be required 2 years after a vaccine is made available. It's information like this that creates unrest amongst the population and rules start to get broken. The public at large want positive information, a light at the end of the tunnel. Clearly that isn't coming any time soon so as you say we get the fatigue setting in.
I think as much as most are against lock downs if the powers that be said "global lock down for 6 weeks then we are guaranteed to be COVID free" the majority would welcome such news regardless of the short term heartache.

mrken30 Sep 19th 2020 11:13 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
One place I don't want to be right now. I can't believe Blackpool is not in lockdown.https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...49c2d45ae5.jpg

Danny B Sep 19th 2020 11:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12912041)
One place I don't want to be right now. I can't believe Blackpool is not in lockdown.

Apparently the virus is not contagious after the pubs close at 10pm.


Siouxie Sep 20th 2020 3:44 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Ontario just changed the rules...... no more than 10 people..

Changes to gathering limits

Due to the recent increase in cases and to ensure continued health and safety, there is a new limit on the number of people allowed to attend unmonitored social gatherings and organized public events across Ontario.

As of September 19, 2020, the new gathering limits are:
  • indoor events or gatherings: 10 people (previous limit of 50)
  • outdoor events or gatherings: 25 people (previous limit of 100)
Indoor and outdoor events and gatherings cannot be merged together.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/reopenin...hering-changes



Date New cases Change from last report
Sep 19 407 +1.50 %
Sep 18 401 +36.86 %
Sep 17 293 -6.98 %
Sep 16 315 +25.50 %

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...1b3ded5f51.jpg

Shard Sep 20th 2020 12:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12912034)
I think you are right, its tough getting people on board for lengthy periods if there isn't any clear and precise direction from those that govern us. Jesus look at the shambles that has played out in the UK over the last few weeks, so many changes of direction. There was an article that someone on another forum linked to regarding the future weeks and months ahead and this "professor or scientist" (cannot remember his credentials) pretty much stated that even when a vaccine is found we will not be out of the woods and masks could still be required 2 years after a vaccine is made available. It's information like this that creates unrest amongst the population and rules start to get broken. The public at large want positive information, a light at the end of the tunnel. Clearly that isn't coming any time soon so as you say we get the fatigue setting in.
I think as much as most are against lock downs if the powers that be said "global lock down for 6 weeks then we are guaranteed to be COVID free" the majority would welcome such news regardless of the short term heartache.

I guess there's no easy answer. There's always going to be a difference of opinion on what's effective and what's now. Individual circumstances are so different. Certainly some mixed messaging going on, but I feel like going into Fall there is a general awareness of the risk and the need to take precautions. I don't think the media helps in this regard. They like to whip up contoversey and differing views. That's what pays their salaries. If there was a more consensual approach, perhaps there would be less confusion and less risk. If you contrast the way UK/US/Canada react to Corona, it is quite different to that of (East) Asia where there is a more collective approach.

Shard Sep 20th 2020 12:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12912042)
Apparently the virus is not contagious after the pubs close at 10pm.

Just a silly remark someone made which the press is using to generate interest. The reality is that reducing transmission period is an effective way to reduce transmission risk. If the point was made as "let's limit drinking time to 5 hours instead of 6 hours to reduce transmission opportunity" nobody would dispute it.

Danny B Sep 20th 2020 6:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12912214)
Just a silly remark someone made which the press is using to generate interest. The reality is that reducing transmission period is an effective way to reduce transmission risk. If the point was made as "let's limit drinking time to 5 hours instead of 6 hours to reduce transmission opportunity" nobody would dispute it.

Let's be honest, alcohol and social distancing do not mix no matter what time of day it is.

Danny B Sep 20th 2020 9:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Let the panic buying commence in 3..2...1

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-sell-out.html

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...546309d718.png

caretaker Sep 20th 2020 9:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12912412)
Let the panic buying commence in 3..2...1

No I'm good. Probably until Christmas. Booze, dope, food, what have you.
WC Fields said "I remember one time while on safari, we ran out of supplies.... and we were forced to subsist on food and water for several days..."

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 20th 2020 9:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12912412)
Let the panic buying commence in 3..2...1

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-sell-out.html

I hope that doesn't happen here again, it was too much trying to get basics for those 2 months, there were times where I just went to McDonald's rather than fuss with the grocery store panic, and then finding they were out of most things.

But was helpful in making money with IC during that pandemic buying.

Then maybe the Canadian Tire in West Kelowna needs some panic buying, goodness the store was in such bad shape today, stock everywhere on carts and pallets, some aisles nearly impossible to go down because they had shoved excess stock in them.

I find it's a poor Canadian Tire in general, probably the worst I have ever been to, whoever runs/owns this location needs to up their game, the Vancouver one on Grandview was probably the best, nice and big over 3 levels, clean and organized most of the time.


printer Sep 21st 2020 1:37 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12912418)
I hope that doesn't happen here again, it was too much trying to get basics for those 2 months, there were times where I just went to McDonald's rather than fuss with the grocery store panic, and then finding they were out of most things.

But was helpful in making money with IC during that pandemic buying.

Then maybe the Canadian Tire in West Kelowna needs some panic buying, goodness the store was in such bad shape today, stock everywhere on carts and pallets, some aisles nearly impossible to go down because they had shoved excess stock in them.

I find it's a poor Canadian Tire in general, probably the worst I have ever been to, whoever runs/owns this location needs to up their game, the Vancouver one on Grandview was probably the best, nice and big over 3 levels, clean and organized most of the time.

Agree the West Kelowna one is the worst. I was there last week and it was the same you got to the bottom of an aisle and you couldn't get out so the whole social distance thing was a joke. Much prefer the Home Depot although they don't have the same range of stuff of course. On the plus side they had pallet loads of TP :rofl:

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 21st 2020 3:18 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12912448)
Agree the West Kelowna one is the worst. I was there last week and it was the same you got to the bottom of an aisle and you couldn't get out so the whole social distance thing was a joke. Much prefer the Home Depot although they don't have the same range of stuff of course. On the plus side they had pallet loads of TP :rofl:

I just walked out of the store, it wasn't worth the mess and the aisle I needed was impossible to get down because of all the stuff they shoved into it.

I find I go to stores more often and order less on Amazon here, mostly because it seems to take Amazon 4-7 days to get anything here, the convivence isn't there, may as well go to the store since its fairly quickly to drive around.


As for COVID some info coming to light about one of the long term care home outbreaks, this particular home had 2 outbreaks, the 2nd being causes by a staff member who knew they were sick, showing symptoms but somehow avoid the pre-shift checks and came to work. End result, 51 patients and 15 staff ended up sick, 26 of the patients died.


Article here.


Nand Sep 21st 2020 1:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12912466)


As for COVID some info coming to light about one of the long term care home outbreaks, this particular home had 2 outbreaks, the 2nd being causes by a staff member who knew they were sick, showing symptoms but somehow avoid the pre-shift checks and came to work. End result, 51 patients and 15 staff ended up sick, 26 of the patients died.


Article here.

What grief, and the ultimate selfishness on the part of the staff member. :(

Danny B Sep 21st 2020 2:44 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Unknown illness hits China. First reported in Jan 2020

https://i.redd.it/t1yvlfv8xaj51.jpg


Danny B Sep 21st 2020 5:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Spain is 6 weeks ahead of the UK and the UK is about 4 weeks ahead of Canada. I reckon more restrictions will be here in Canada by Halloween.

Madrid orders partial lockdown after surge in Covid-19 infections.
The UK's COVID-19 alert level has been moved from level three to level four, meaning transmission of the virus is high or rising exponentially.

Shard Sep 21st 2020 8:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12912738)
Spain is 6 weeks ahead of the UK and the UK is about 4 weeks ahead of Canada. I reckon more restrictions will be here in Canada by Halloween.

Madrid orders partial lockdown after surge in Covid-19 infections.
The UK's COVID-19 alert level has been moved from level three to level four, meaning transmission of the virus is high or rising exponentially.

Didn't know about the 4 week rule of thumb. I assumed Spain/France was +2 weeks on UK. Anyway, looks like Fall will be tricky.

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 21st 2020 8:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12912687)
Unknown illness hits China. First reported in Jan 2020

https://i.redd.it/t1yvlfv8xaj51.jpg

Oh how long ago it was. Remember when they thought it wasn't air borne?

I noticed Wal-Mart has placed industrial HEPA filters around their store in West Kelowna, not sure how effective they are in a big store, but I counted 4 of them. Could be more of them, just happened to see those 4.

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 22nd 2020 3:32 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Might be paper towels this time around.

Kruger the biggest producer of said product in Canada is concerned as demand is currently high and supply is tight across North America.

They are also facing a shortage of recycled paper fiber as less people working in offices printing stuff appears to have also led to a shortage of recycled paper fiber.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/pap...ovid-1.5732782


Jingsamichty Sep 22nd 2020 7:14 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
UK announces pubs and restaurants to close at 10pm. I would be amazed if this would make the slightest bit of difference. It stinks of "trying to be seen to do something, anything" but without actually trying to do something, anything.

I was generally very supportive of the lockdown in March, but as time has passed and it has become clearer that COVID is not actually in the Ebola league for mortality - or even illness - it seems a madness to impose destructive sanctions on whole swathes of society, with serious repercussions for generations to come. It would make more sense just to ensure that high-risk groups are shielded and supported as much as possible. Closing the Red Lion at 10pm instead of 11pm isn't going to make a jot of difference to Aunt Elsie who went to bed after Coronation Street.

Shard Sep 22nd 2020 10:30 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12912915)
UK announces pubs and restaurants to close at 10pm. I would be amazed if this would make the slightest bit of difference. It stinks of "trying to be seen to do something, anything" but without actually trying to do something, anything.

I was generally very supportive of the lockdown in March, but as time has passed and it has become clearer that COVID is not actually in the Ebola league for mortality - or even illness - it seems a madness to impose destructive sanctions on whole swathes of society, with serious repercussions for generations to come. It would make more sense just to ensure that high-risk groups are shielded and supported as much as possible. Closing the Red Lion at 10pm instead of 11pm isn't going to make a jot of difference to Aunt Elsie who went to bed after Coronation Street.

I don't think Covid was ever pitched as Ebola league. It's nevertheless highly infectious (since it transmits in the asymtomatic) and it seems as if there is no ongoing immunity, once contracte and recoved. There is also emerging the condition which they are calling 'long Covid' namely ongoing long-term complications from the disease. I think the madness would be to permit the disease to spread in society, and then we would have health as well as economic destruction to contend with. In that respect, whatever intervention this inept government is cooking up is to be welcomed.

As to pubs 10 pm, probably too little, too 'late'. Perhaps a 9 pm or 8 pm curfew would be more effective. Managing the virus spread necssitates reducing transmission opportunity, and pub time is unfortunately one aspect of that.

BristolUK Sep 22nd 2020 1:37 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12912960)
I don't think Covid was ever pitched as Ebola league. It's nevertheless highly infectious (since it transmits in the asymtomatic) and it seems as if there is no ongoing immunity, once contracte and recoved. There is also emerging the condition which they are calling 'long Covid' namely ongoing long-term complications from the disease. I think the madness would be to permit the disease to spread in society, and then we would have health as well as economic destruction to contend with...

There's also the knock-on effect of other things not being treated if hospital time is taken up treating people with covid as well as the extra time/resources into preventing spread from covid patients to others.

For myself, having reported a complete lack of strength in my legs to my doctor - I couldn't walk 10 minutes without resting nor ride my bike anymore - I was referred for a circulation test (ABI, I believe) and an appointment was lined up in March.

It was then on hold when non urgent stuff was cancelled and finally rearranged. But then because my stepdaughter had covid symptoms, her employer insisted on her contacting the covid line which led to another covid test - her second. Negative but my appointment had to be cancelled again. I'm rebooked but the same thing could easily happen again - either symptoms for one of the four of us in the house or the whole thing gets cancelled again.

In the meantime, difficulty in walking 10 minutes has now become extreme discomfort at 5 minutes plus pain. The long term implications - or maybe there is no 'long term' - are concerning especially as the problem could have been identified and remedied 6 months ago.

For many I imagine it's even worse, so it's not just about what covid can do to people. Anything that reduces its spread - even if it's not immediately fatal - will help in other areas.

Pulaski Sep 22nd 2020 1:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12912885)
.... They are also facing a shortage of recycled paper fiber as less people working in offices printing stuff appears to have also led to a shortage of recycled paper fiber. ....

The demand for copier/ printer paper is waaay down compared to a decade ago anyway - I remember when there was a weekly visit from the paper guy who would wheel a cart around the office floor dropping off several cases of 10-12 reams of paper at each printer and copier. By the time I left the office for the last time January 2019, a case of paper would last months, and the numerous printers and copiers had been replaced by a couple of printer-copiers, which mostly stood idle. I doubt I printed anything more than once or twice a quarter, and even then only a page or two, not an entire document of 10-50 pages. Obviously working from home I don't print anything work related these days.

A direct result of this, and the parallel collapse in demand for printed newspapers, was that paper manufacturer Bowater sold of thousands of acres of forests in Eastern NC, which it had used to supply pulpwood for paper and it was clear that the demand for paper had gone away, permanently. I presume this has been the case across North America and around the world.

AFAIK The only increase in demand for paper products is for cardboard, drvien primarily by Amazon and other on-line sellers.

Shard Sep 22nd 2020 2:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12913021)
There's also the knock-on effect of other things not being treated if hospital time is taken up treating people with covid as well as the extra time/resources into preventing spread from covid patients to others.

For myself, having reported a complete lack of strength in my legs to my doctor - I couldn't walk 10 minutes without resting nor ride my bike anymore - I was referred for a circulation test (ABI, I believe) and an appointment was lined up in March.

It was then on hold when non urgent stuff was cancelled and finally rearranged. But then because my stepdaughter had covid symptoms, her employer insisted on her contacting the covid line which led to another covid test - her second. Negative but my appointment had to be cancelled again. I'm rebooked but the same thing could easily happen again - either symptoms for one of the four of us in the house or the whole thing gets cancelled again.

In the meantime, difficulty in walking 10 minutes has now become extreme discomfort at 5 minutes plus pain. The long term implications - or maybe there is no 'long term' - are concerning especially as the problem could have been identified and remedied 6 months ago.

For many I imagine it's even worse, so it's not just about what covid can do to people. Anything that reduces its spread - even if it's not immediately fatal - will help in other areas.

That sounds tough on the walking side. :(

It does seem that there is a large faction that totally discount the mayhem of a severe outbreak. The 'lockdown is bad for mental health' argument is often put forth, without fully considering what impact a relative's death or prolonged incapacitation has on mental health.


Pulaski Sep 22nd 2020 2:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 12912915)
UK announces pubs and restaurants to close at 10pm. I would be amazed if this would make the slightest bit of difference. It stinks of "trying to be seen to do something, anything" but without actually trying to do something, anything. .....

Yeah, that seemed like a joke to me when I read it last night - I can't imagine it will make a scrap of difference, but it is clear that the public at large have no appetite for another lock-down.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12912960)
I don't think Covid was ever pitched as Ebola league. It's nevertheless highly infectious (since it transmits in the asymtomatic) and it seems as if there is no ongoing immunity, once contracte and recoved. There is also emerging the condition which they are calling 'long Covid' namely ongoing long-term complications from the disease. I think the madness would be to permit the disease to spread in society, .....

Agreed, the long-term consequences for covid-19 infection is potentially very concerning, and the only thing that seems to be certain at the moment is that the virus remains in your body for months after the initial infection, and nobody knows what the long term consequences of that are going to be. A German study a few months ago found a high percentage of "recovered" individuals had a covid-19 infection in their heart muscle that had caused tissue inflamation. The long term, or even medium term consequences of this, and lingering virus infection in other organs, is unknown, but for me that means that it is worth minimizing the liklihood of getting infected even if the disease is "mild in most cases" and "most people 'fully' recover", in the short term, at least.

Jerseygirl Sep 22nd 2020 2:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
478 now, the numbers are steadily rising

Danny B Sep 22nd 2020 3:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12913044)
478 now, the numbers are steadily rising

What and where is 478?

caretaker Sep 22nd 2020 4:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12913070)
What and where is 478?

I assume it's new cases in Ontario, up from 425 on the CBC website, which may want updating.
That's over half the new cases in Canada.

Jerseygirl Sep 22nd 2020 4:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12913070)
What and where is 478?

yes it is Ontario. Sorry I was using my phone while at the dentist.

https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-re...tawa-1.5114883

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 22nd 2020 5:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
This is good news for Ontario though, resulting in a case positivity rate of 1.4 per cent, more tests lead to more cases, but positivity rate is important and still quite low in Ontario.


Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12913025)
The demand for copier/ printer paper is waaay down compared to a decade ago anyway - I remember when there was a weekly visit from the paper guy who would wheel a cart around the office floor dropping off several cases of 10-12 reams of paper at each printer and copier. By the time I left the office for the last time January 2019, a case of paper would last months, and the numerous printers and copiers had been replaced by a couple of printer-copiers, which mostly stood idle. I doubt I printed anything more than once or twice a quarter, and even then only a page or two, not an entire document of 10-50 pages. Obviously working from home I don't print anything work related these days.

A direct result of this, and the parallel collapse in demand for printed newspapers, was that paper manufacturer Bowater sold of thousands of acres of forests in Eastern NC, which it had used to supply pulpwood for paper and it was clear that the demand for paper had gone away, permanently. I presume this has been the case across North America and around the world.

AFAIK The only increase in demand for paper products is for cardboard, drvien primarily by Amazon and other on-line sellers.


Apparently the wood pulp to make toilet paper and such is also in short supply due to increased demand, double whammy for the manufactures.

Maybe it's time US and Canada wean off toilet paper.

I am printing a tiny bit more this year due to medical appointments being mostly via phone, and lab requisitions being emailed and then I need to print it to take it to the lab. We might buy a ream of paper once every 2 or 3 years.

Only places I have worked that use large sums of paper are hotels, on my 8 hour shift alone, I would go through a full pack of 500 sheets, mostly due to the audit, CRA is old fashioned so can't store the daily audit paperwork electronically, everyday hundreds of sheets of paper printed and used, then put away likely never to be seen again for 5 years unless CRA wants to see it, then it gets shredded.

The amount of paper hotels go through in a day is crazy. In a big hotel the emergency guest list can be 200 pages and that is printed generally 3 times per day, mandatory in the event of a fire/evacuation/emergency so emergency crews have an idea of who might still be in the building, no way to really digitize this.



Shard Sep 22nd 2020 5:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12913100)
The amount of paper hotels go through in a day is crazy. In a big hotel the emergency guest list can be 200 pages and that is printed generally 3 times per day, mandatory in the event of a fire/evacuation/emergency so emergency crews have an idea of who might still be in the building, no way to really digitize this.

PDF to a dedicated iPad ?

Danny B Sep 22nd 2020 5:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12913100)
This is good news for Ontario though, resulting in a case positivity rate of 1.4 per cent, more tests lead to more cases, but positivity rate is important and still quite low in Ontario.




Apparently the wood pulp to make toilet paper and such is also in short supply due to increased demand, double whammy for the manufactures.

Maybe it's time US and Canada wean off toilet paper.

I am printing a tiny bit more this year due to medical appointments being mostly via phone, and lab requisitions being emailed and then I need to print it to take it to the lab. We might buy a ream of paper once every 2 or 3 years.

Only places I have worked that use large sums of paper are hotels, on my 8 hour shift alone, I would go through a full pack of 500 sheets, mostly due to the audit, CRA is old fashioned so can't store the daily audit paperwork electronically, everyday hundreds of sheets of paper printed and used, then put away likely never to be seen again for 5 years unless CRA wants to see it, then it gets shredded.

The amount of paper hotels go through in a day is crazy. In a big hotel the emergency guest list can be 200 pages and that is printed generally 3 times per day, mandatory in the event of a fire/evacuation/emergency so emergency crews have an idea of who might still be in the building, no way to really digitize this.

It pisses me off that in 2020 we still expect secondary school & Uni students to carry around several large text books (I'm talking 200+ pages) instead of having an electronic version available. I get that there is big money in university books, but for the love of God, please make them into copyright protected PDFs instead of making students bring them to School every day. My Daughters backpack weighs about 50lbs.




Pulaski Sep 22nd 2020 6:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12913103)
PDF to a dedicated iPad ?

It's been several years since I had any paper given to me at a hotel - it's all been electronic, sign a touch-screen, bill provided electronically.

Surely guest lists could be stored in the cloud - and with the right information could download them before they even arrived at the hotel they'd been called to? :unsure:

Siouxie Sep 22nd 2020 6:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
So back to the topic of the thread... CORONAVIRUS ..... :focus:

478 new cases in Ontario :( https://www.ontario.ca/page/how-onta...d-19#section-0

  • There are a total of 47,752 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ontario reported to date.
  • Compared to the previous day, this represents:
    • An increase of 478 confirmed cases (percent change of +12.5%)
    • An increase of 3 deaths (percent change of +50%)
    • An increase of 196 resolved cases (percent change of +10.1%)


Stumpylegs Sep 22nd 2020 6:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12913032)

It does seem that there is a large faction that totally discount the mayhem of a severe outbreak. The 'lockdown is bad for mental health' argument is often put forth, without fully considering what impact a relative's death or prolonged incapacitation has on mental health.

I think the problem is Sweden is touted in the british media about as not locking down, having less deaths per head than the UK etc.

Personally I'm indifferent to the whole situation, I'm not going out as much, socialising a lot less and wearing a mask more than normal (I wash my hands too, but that's not a marked change!!).

I would feel better with a proper shut down for 3 weeks, and have a hard reset (possibly harder than the first lock down) get case numbers right down, kill a lot of the slow, silent spread etc. or a crack on and let it run its course (Which i don't think is the right path - but likewise don't think we can continue as we are for 5+ years, as if this is ever mutating, will it mutate or grow immunity to any vaccine, like the flu). I feel like this halfway house is the worst of both worlds and generally very devisive between groups of people (white vs BAME, rich vs poor, left vs right wing).

Danny B Sep 22nd 2020 8:49 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12913127)
I think the problem is Sweden is touted in the british media about as not locking down, having less deaths per head than the UK etc.

Personally I'm indifferent to the whole situation, I'm not going out as much, socialising a lot less and wearing a mask more than normal (I wash my hands too, but that's not a marked change!!).

I would feel better with a proper shut down for 3 weeks, and have a hard reset (possibly harder than the first lock down) get case numbers right down, kill a lot of the slow, silent spread etc. or a crack on and let it run its course (Which i don't think is the right path - but likewise don't think we can continue as we are for 5+ years, as if this is ever mutating, will it mutate or grow immunity to any vaccine, like the flu). I feel like this halfway house is the worst of both worlds and generally very devisive between groups of people (white vs BAME, rich vs poor, left vs right wing).

Here where I live in small town BC, the affects of a 3 week shutdown would be worse than one or two people dying from COVID. I know it sounds callous to say such a thing, but it's true for me.
Interior health has had very few COVID deaths, people get sick and they recover fine.

Seeing as how Canada is so spread out, if things spiral out of control in one area, I would be in favour of local lockdowns involving road blocks. Much like they did in Wuhan. Sounds harsh but it's better to piss off a few hundred thousand locals and not millions who live miles away.




Stumpylegs Sep 22nd 2020 8:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12913162)
Here where I live in small town BC, the affects of a 3 week shutdown would be worse than one or two people dying from COVID. I know it sounds callous to say such a thing, but it's true for me.
Interior health has had very few COVID deaths, people get sick and they recover fine.

Seeing as how Canada is so spread out, if things spiral out of control in one area, I would be in favour of local lockdowns involving road blocks. Much like they did in Wuhan. Sounds harsh but it's better to piss off a few hundred thousand locals and not millions who live miles away.

Aye - just bear in mind I'm still on the wrong side of the Atlantic, don't think I'd share the same shut the country down view if the country was 20 times the size with 1 road in and out of a lot of towns and had such differing infection levels . Here we've got local lockdowns that aren't lockdowns, and a bunch of semi sensible restrictions which are being abused.

Here we've basically got a lot of the bad of a shutdown but not much of the benefit. Retail and hospitality is on its arse, you can't mix 2 semi sensible families of 4 who live next door to each other and households mix with school and work etc. But 6 households can go the pub together and keep the spread going.

Those that are abiding by the rules or altering their lives because of the virus wouldn't be much worse off by a total shutdown, but it would stop those gaming the current rules.


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