Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12894161)
I personally can't blame people, I go back and fourth on it, should I get it as soon as its offered to me, or wait and see if there are any long term side effects I went to school with a kid who had had poliomyelitis... that child had been stuck in what my parents called an 'iron lung' and he had terrible, long term, health problems. We have lived through a period when these terrible problems that ravaged 'our' society virtually disappeared...Africa would have been delighted to have had the 'problem' of worrying whether or not to be vaccinated for many things... |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by MillieF
(Post 12894230)
If we don't take the vaccine, there is a very good chance that we won't have to worry about 'long term' anything...
I went to school with a kid who had had poliomyelitis... that child had been stuck in what my parents called an 'iron lung' and he had terrible, long term, health problems. We have lived through a period when these terrible problems that ravaged 'our' society virtually disappeared...Africa would have been delighted to have had the 'problem' of worrying whether or not to be vaccinated for many things... |
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by MillieF
(Post 12894230)
If we don't take the vaccine, there is a very good chance that we won't have to worry about 'long term' anything...
I went to school with a kid who had had poliomyelitis... that child had been stuck in what my parents called an 'iron lung' and he had terrible, long term, health problems. We have lived through a period when these terrible problems that ravaged 'our' society virtually disappeared...Africa would have been delighted to have had the 'problem' of worrying whether or not to be vaccinated for many things... Even polio had some issues in the early day's of the vaccine. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by MillieF
(Post 12894230)
If we don't take the vaccine, there is a very good chance that we won't have to worry about 'long term' anything....
Originally Posted by printer
(Post 12894232)
No one, medically qualified or otherwise is going to come right out and give us a written guarantee that the new vaccine is 100% safe and that there will be no side effects or worse in time to come, how could they it's not been fully developed and tested yet let alone had the required number of years to prove itself.
Is it reasonable to think that taking ten years normally is playing doubly safe and then extra safe again to make absolutely certain? Depending on the drug is it possible that they know early on in research that some have a greater risk of side effect or a more serious side effect? Perhaps it might also be the case that 2 years instead of 10 isn't that they've only done a fifth of the testing they normally do, but that they do it much more quickly. Obviously this would still have some risks, but doing it in a fifth of the time doesn't mean it's five times as risky. Especially as they're not coming into it totally blind. It's believed there were already some advances from the work done on vaccines relating to SARS and MERS a few years ago. I imagine if you live somewhere like NB you won't need to rush into it but if people around you are dropping like flies you may feel differently. |
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I'm not really interested in a vaccine - but I am interested in a proven treatment for those that catch it, one that works to alleviate symptoms and reduces the likelihood of it being terminal.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 12894291)
I'm not really interested in a vaccine - but I am interested in a proven treatment for those that catch it, one that works to alleviate symptoms and reduces the likelihood of it being terminal.
If only it would mutate to be more mild like it's cousins in the corona family who already infect us, and maybe it will, that would be best overall since there will never be 100% of the population who will get a vaccine anyhow. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12894295)
If only it would mutate to be more mild like it's cousins in the corona family who already infect us, and maybe it will, that would be best overall since there will never be 100% of the population who will get a vaccine anyhow.
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Re: Coronavirus
131 cases since Friday in BC.
50 new cases recorded from Friday to Saturday 37 between Saturday and Sunday 44 between Sunday and Monday 445 active cases Hospitalizations 9 with 3 in ICU, hospitalizations is down 2 and ICU down 1 from Friday. No deaths for 10 days now. 2 new outbreaks in health care facilities, both in Fraser Health Dr. Henry say's we need to work collectively to stop these exposures from happening. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12895051)
131 cases since Friday in BC.
50 new cases recorded from Friday to Saturday 37 between Saturday and Sunday 44 between Sunday and Monday 445 active cases Hospitalizations 9 with 3 in ICU, hospitalizations is down 2 and ICU down 1 from Friday. No deaths for 10 days now. 2 new outbreaks in health care facilities, both in Fraser Health Dr. Henry say's we need to work collectively to stop these exposures from happening. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by printer
(Post 12895081)
...... Are we getting a better understanding and treating those that fall ill more quickly? ...
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Re: Coronavirus
BC students will be getting a bit longer of a break and not returning to school on September 8th as planned, no word on how long the delay will be though.
https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08...ll-be-delayed/ |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by printer
(Post 12895081)
Are we getting a better understanding and treating those that fall ill more quickly? are those falling ill now younger and are more capable of fighting it off? or are we seeing it become less violent?
My take on it in the UK its so widespread most people have been exposed to it, whilst not everyone of those people has caught it, those most susceptible to it have. There is also the evidence that the quantity of the virus you are infected with has a direct link to how serious it becomes (whether that's on a level similar to toxicity, or more how long it takes to multiply to a dangerous level whilst your body fights it) with mask wearing, increased social distancing and the fact folk now actively move away when someone coughs nearby - its also probable that any transmission of covid is in lesser quantities than it previously was. |
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46 new cases since yesterday in BC.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12895487)
BC students will be getting a bit longer of a break and not returning to school on September 8th as planned, no word on how long the delay will be though.
https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08...ll-be-delayed/ I think a year out of school is better than deadness spread. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by tumbleweedly
(Post 12895636)
That is the smart approach. .....
Personally, despite the quite frankly, bizarrely over-enthuiastic bravado of Boris Johnson in the past few days, I am expecting that at least some of the school districts that are now "reopening" with a fanfare, will be "re-shutting down again" within a few weeks. :( |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12895906)
I am inclined to agree. When some schools have committed to going back to in-person schooling, it definitely makes 100% sense to hold off for at least a few weeks, to see how other schools are faring, and learn from their experience and mistakes.
Personally, despite the quite frankly, bizarrely over-enthuiastic bravado of Boris Johnson in the past few days, I am expecting that at least some of the school districts that are now "reopening" with a fanfare, will be "re-shutting down again" within a few weeks. :( |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 12895916)
My granddaughter will be in Grade 1, starting back after Labour Day. 4 days per week...1 day e-learning at home. 7 to 10 kids per room. Staggered drop off and pick up. No after or before school care. Kids are dropped off outside the school, preferably from the car.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12895923)
:fingerscrossed: I hope it works out OK, but I am sceptical that enforcing SD and hygiene rules on children of that age will be any easier than herding cats. :unsure:
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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 12895945)
Agreed. :nod:
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by tumbleweedly
(Post 12895952)
Its completly daft. Is it possible none of the people that advised these measures of back to school have watched 6 year old children for more than five minutes to see what all they can get up to? ....
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12895965)
Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with concern for children and their schooling, it is all about releasing parents from having to look after their children so that they can return to work.
In other truth related news, as the UK passes the 1000 case a day mark again - our total deaths have just been reduced by 5000!! Logic is somewhat flawed in calculating it once more.starting to think figures are little more than a random number generator! |
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BC is going to hire 500 health care workers to work as contact tracers, temporary positions to run September to March for now.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ovid-1.5683456 |
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Reminder Wal-Mart requires masks now, and if these folks interviewed in Kelowna are any indication, I'd hate to be an employee there today, assuming they are enforcing it. Maybe it's why Super Store was so busy today, they don't require masks.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12896017)
Reminder Wal-Mart requires masks now, and if these folks interviewed in Kelowna are any indication, I'd hate to be an employee there today, assuming they are enforcing it. Maybe it's why Super Store was so busy today, they don't require masks.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0a07095652.jpg |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12896031)
Karen spoke to the Manager...what a surprise.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0a07095652.jpg The Karen's always talk to the manager, always, its their thing. :rofl: |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12895487)
BC students will be getting a bit longer of a break and not returning to school on September 8th as planned, no word on how long the delay will be though.
https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08...ll-be-delayed/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...t-10-1.5683534 "B.C. Education Minister Rob Fleming has announced a gradual restart of classes in September, with students expected back in the classroom by Sept. 10." |
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85 new cases since yesterday.
Highest since April 25 3rd highest single day total since this all began. 1 death at a long term care home. almost 2,000 people self isolating due to possible exposure. 8 in hospital, 5 in ICU 531 active cases Global News |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12896003)
BC is going to hire 500 health care workers to work as contact tracers, temporary positions to run September to March for now.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 12896061)
I wonder if there's any way to get on the inside track for that job. Once it's in the paper there could be 15,000+ applicants for 500 jobs.
Tides might be turning in BC, if the cases keep going up day to day. Breakdown by health authority, most cases are in Fraser Health and Vancouver Coastal. 1,273 (+41) cases in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 2,203 (+36) cases in the Fraser Health region 150 (+2) cases in the Island Health region 394 (+1) cases in the Interior Health region 104 (+4) cases in the Northern Health region 72 (+1) cases of people who reside outside of Canada. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12896146)
Tides might be turning in BC, if the cases keep going up day to day.
Keep your eye on the admitted to ICU and death numbers. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12896339)
Don't let the media scare you with case numbers. Remember that for 99% of those new cases, the infected people have very mild symtoms and recover OK at home.
Keep your eye on the admitted to ICU and death numbers. 8 currently in hospital - 5 in ICU |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12896339)
Don't let the media scare you with case numbers. Remember that for 99% of those new cases, the infected people have very mild symtoms and recover OK at home.
Keep your eye on the admitted to ICU and death numbers. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12896339)
Don't let the media scare you with case numbers. Remember that for 99% of those new cases, the infected people have very mild symtoms and recover OK at home.
Keep your eye on the admitted to ICU and death numbers. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12896339)
Don't let the media scare you with case numbers. Remember that for 99% of those new cases, the infected people have very mild symtoms and recover OK at home.
Keep your eye on the admitted to ICU and death numbers. Then there is the "problem" that some people don't seem to experience any symptoms and don't get tested, unless sampled randomly or required to, for example if requiring other health services |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12896433)
Do you have any basis for the mythical "99% have mild symptoms" assertion? In the US about 10% are hospitalized and a little over 3% die. Of course it is well known that mortality is skewed heavily towards the elderly, those with pre-existing conditions, and ethnic minorities.
Then there is the "problem" that some people don't seem to experience any symptoms and don't get tested, unless sampled randomly or required to, for example if requiring other health services Total Cases- 4,196 Deaths- 196 Hospitalizations- 551 293,127 tests conducted https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...9e3cda29297ded |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12896438)
Someone with better math skills would need to do the math for BC but here is the total numbers as of yesterday
Total Cases- 4,196 Deaths- 196 Hospitalizations- 551 .... |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12896438)
Someone with better math skills would need to do the math for BC but here is the total numbers as of yesterday
Total Cases- 4,196 Deaths- 196 Hospitalizations- 551 293,127 tests conducted 13% serious enough to be in hospital. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12896433)
Do you have any basis for the mythical "99% have mild symptoms" assertion?
Mild symptoms as in you feel like shit for a week and don't need a trip to ICU. Age is a strong risk factor for severe illness, complications, and death.[size=8333px] [/size]Among >44,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in China, the case fatality rate was highest among older persons: β₯80 years, 14.8%; 70β79 years, 8.0%; 60β69 years, 3.6%; 50β59 years, 1.3%; 40β49 years, 0.4%; <40 years, 0.2%. In early U.S. epidemiologic data, case fatality was highest in persons aged β₯85 years (range 10%β27%), followed by those aged 65-84 years (3%β11%), aged 55-64 years (1%β3%), and aged <55 years (<1%). |
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