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BristolUK Aug 3rd 2020 5:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12891778)
Well for one it's essentially saying that everyone from the outside world is potentially diseased isn't it. It's all a bit medieval when you think about it.

Anyway it looks like quarantine discussions are not for this thread however I'm more than happy to pick this one up in the other thread with you if you want to continue it. :)

Done

Pulaski Aug 4th 2020 10:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Anyone who still thinks that very low daily infection numbers in the Canadian provinces is any reason for comfort or that people can relax .....should take a look at Japan, which seems to be postitioning itself as the poster child for a second wave. :scaredhair:

DigitalGhost Aug 4th 2020 10:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12892461)
Anyone who still thinks that very low daily infection numbers in the Canadian provinces is any reason for comfort or that people can relax .....should take a look at Japan, which seems to be postitioning itself as the poster child for a second wave. :scaredhair:

It's mostly concentrated in Tokyo I believe. The city governor Yuriko Koike wanted to declare a local state of emergency last week but she's a controversial political figure in Japan and a former NHK News Anchor and the central government often don't take her as seriously as they perhaps should.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 4th 2020 10:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
146 new cases of COVID-19 in B.C. since Friday

8 in hospital, 4 in ICU (Friday there was 2 in ICU and 5 in hospital)

No deaths over the weekend

Increase in cases not unexpected.

"The source of these cases are varied, she noted, but share commonalities. Many exposures took place indoors and via the presence of crowds where there was close talking, sharing food, and contact."


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...date-1.5674196


I wonder what September will bring when kids are back in school.

Pulaski Aug 4th 2020 10:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12892466)
.... I wonder what September will bring when kids are back in school.

Why? :confused: Surely you know, don't you? :nod:

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 4th 2020 10:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12892470)
Why? :confused: Surely you know, don't you? :nod:

My prediction is a decent uptick in cases, but apparently science says its safe according to the health officials.

Pulaski Aug 4th 2020 11:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12892471)
My prediction is a decent uptick in cases, but apparently science says its safe according to the health officials.

Who are we to question the advice of "the health officials"? :rolleyes:

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 4th 2020 11:09 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Breakdown my health authority for BC of the new cases, most are in Fraser Health

Fraser: 100
VCH: 31
Interior: 8
North: 3
Island: 2
Non Res: 2

caretaker Aug 4th 2020 11:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of parents just don't send their kids to school, and force the government to supply internet classes, and the resulting low student population will make it easy to move the desks apart and provide some distancing for those in the classroom. Sask Party will have to modify this:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...plan-1.5673597

caretaker Aug 4th 2020 11:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12892474)
Breakdown my health authority for BC of the new cases, most are in Fraser Health

That's a lot of territory, lots of agricultural workers. Our outbreaks here are mostly isolated, but I have no idea how it might trend. We're just getting back into a normal-ish work routine and banking on the re-opening cycle as planned, but there are a lot of extra hoops modifications required. You don't shout whoa in a mud-hole. :lol:

printer Aug 5th 2020 12:04 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12892466)
146 new cases of COVID-19 in B.C. since Friday

8 in hospital, 4 in ICU (Friday there was 2 in ICU and 5 in hospital)

No deaths over the weekend

Increase in cases not unexpected.

"The source of these cases are varied, she noted, but share commonalities. Many exposures took place indoors and via the presence of crowds where there was close talking, sharing food, and contact."


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...date-1.5674196


I wonder what September will bring when kids are back in school.

Precisely my point from a while back about masks in stores. It's the pubs, clubs, restaurants and private functions that are and will always be the biggest problem. This is where they have to put their efforts to help sort this out BUT economy will always be the stumbling block. I am still not at all bothered about going out and living life relatively normally except where its necessary to keep apart and or wear a mask.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 5th 2020 12:18 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12892481)
That's a lot of territory, lots of agricultural workers. Our outbreaks here are mostly isolated, but I have no idea how it might trend. We're just getting back into a normal-ish work routine and banking on the re-opening cycle as planned, but there are a lot of extra hoops modifications required. You don't shout whoa in a mud-hole. :lol:

Looks like between my step siblings in California and my sister in Arizona none of their kids are going back to school, as their districts have all moved to home based online learning in some fashion.

Downside is some have kids too young to stay home alone, so my sister wont be able to work so their income will be significantly reduced.

There is still an outbreak as far as I know in Abbotsford at that berry packing plant, so I imagine the larger uptick in Fraser Health might be in part due to that packing plant.









scrubbedexpat091 Aug 5th 2020 12:20 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12892486)
Precisely my point from a while back about masks in stores. It's the pubs, clubs, restaurants and private functions that are and will always be the biggest problem. This is where they have to put their efforts to help sort this out BUT economy will always be the stumbling block. I am still not at all bothered about going out and living life relatively normally except where its necessary to keep apart and or wear a mask.

I'd venture my risk now in Kelowna is lower, the stores tend to be larger vs Vancouver and less people inside them, so I figure more space + less people = less risk.

I also find people in Kelowna while they wear less masks, they do maintain distance better and respect your space, where in Vancouver more people wore masks but did no social distance at all.



scrubbedexpat091 Aug 5th 2020 3:22 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Stewart, BC mayor and residents want residents of Hyder, Alaska to be able to cross into Canada without restrictions, an international bubble of sorts.

Hyder has a population of 80 while Stewart has 400. Hyder residents rely on Stewart for their basic needs.

Hyder, Alaska is not connected to anywhere else in Alaska by road.

US doesn't even maintain a border crossing there, although Canada does.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...bble-1.5674423

Resident's of Point Roberts, WA have also asked for some leeway in being able to cross since they too cannot access any part of the US without going through Canada, and rely on entering BC for many basic needs.

Nand Aug 5th 2020 6:26 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12892489)
Looks like between my step siblings in California and my sister in Arizona none of their kids are going back to school, as their districts have all moved to home based online learning in some fashion.

Downside is some have kids too young to stay home alone, so my sister wont be able to work so their income will be significantly reduced.

There is still an outbreak as far as I know in Abbotsford at that berry packing plant, so I imagine the larger uptick in Fraser Health might be in part due to that packing plant.

Don't Eat the Berries!

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 5th 2020 6:19 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Canada has signed deals for vaccines with Pfizer and Moderna, if all goes well shipments should occur in 2021 sometime.

Pfizer signed a deal last month with the US, to supply the first 100 million doses of their vaccine to the US.

Article.





Danny B Aug 5th 2020 8:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12892849)
Canada has signed deals for vaccines with Pfizer and Moderna, if all goes well shipments should occur in 2021 sometime.

Pfizer signed a deal last month with the US, to supply the first 100 million doses of their vaccine to the US.

Article.

How about a sportsman's bet?

I bet that there will not be a one time 100% effective COVID vaccine for the next 5 years. Instead, they will develop a similar vaccine to the flu shot that isn't 100% effective and that you need to have once a year. It will help, but it will not prevent you catching it.

I'm normally an optimist, but I really think that this thing is here to stay and all we can do is reduce the risk of catching it until science catches up.

Pulaski Aug 5th 2020 9:03 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12892905)
.... I bet that there will not be a one time 100% effective COVID vaccine for the next 5 years. Instead, they will develop a similar vaccine to the flu shot that isn't 100% effective and that you need to have once a year. It will help, but it will not prevent you catching it.

I'm normally an optimist, but I really think that this thing is here to stay and all we can do is reduce the risk of catching it until science catches up.

I think there is a high probability that you are correct, unless anyone succeeds in a new approach to vaccines, that work in a different way that traditional vaccines, for example a vaccine that works based on DNA or RNA, not just on the virus's protein shell.

Nand Aug 5th 2020 10:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Whatever it is I hope to get it!

BristolUK Aug 5th 2020 10:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Anyone have any examples of temporary foreign workers and isolation? Like how is it done?

NB just had 15 days without new cases and for the last few days we've been completely free of active cases.
Today it's announced that four TFW tested positive, on day 10 of their isolation (before going to where they will be working) and it's apparently an example that it's working properly. The gov also announced that tracing was being done, which is a little bit of a contradiction on the efficiency of the system.

The thing is,right from the beginning it's been stated that it takes something like 5 or 6 days to develop (after exposure) but for a few people it's longer, ,so 14 days has been considered the 'safe' period for isolation.

So while it's possible they became exposed before they arrived and then tested positive on the 10th day, it's more likely that they - or at least one of them was exposed to it a few days after they arrived. Which must mean that somebody else was the carrier and exposed them while they were isolating.

It occurs to me, then, that wherever they are isolating, other people - most likely other TFWs - are arriving at different times. So someone coming to the end of their isolation and free of the virus, might actually become exposed to it from an infectious newcomer and then toddle off to where they are supposed to be working, unwittingly carrying it, asymptomatic.

To be truly efficient arrivals on different days should not be mixed at their isolation accommodation.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 5th 2020 11:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12892905)
How about a sportsman's bet?

I bet that there will not be a one time 100% effective COVID vaccine for the next 5 years. Instead, they will develop a similar vaccine to the flu shot that isn't 100% effective and that you need to have once a year. It will help, but it will not prevent you catching it.

I'm normally an optimist, but I really think that this thing is here to stay and all we can do is reduce the risk of catching it until science catches up.

Probably a good probability your right.

May also simply never be a 100% effective vaccine, and just be one of those we get annually, could maybe be combined with flu shot.

Really even that scenario is better then nothing.

I am not confident Canada will get a vaccine as quickly as other countries though, apparently we lack manufacturing capacity here, and the US, UK and other countries signed deals with these same companies before Canada, so presumably will also get deliveries sooner, Pfizer the article says promised their first 100 million doses to the US, so I guess Canada will see something after those first 100 million doses.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 6th 2020 12:09 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
47 new cases since yesterday.

Hospitalizations are up to 9 with 6 in ICU

No new deaths

351 active cases

three long-term care or assisted living facilities have active outbreaks.

No new known community outbreaks but some public exposures including some flights.

""Younger people, in particular, may not fully understand why many of the activities they normally enjoy are no longer available, look different and require us to interact with each other in new ways," it read.""


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...5-bc-1.5675752

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 6th 2020 10:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
47 new cases

No new deaths

371 active cases (for comparison on July 6th there were 166 active cases)

11 in hospital with 5 of those in ICU

2 new outbreaks in long term care facilities, one in Vancouver and one in Richmond


Exposure warning issues for anyone who visited Lions Bay Beach Park July 26 to July 31

1,518 British Columbians in self-isolation due to exposure to COVID-19.

Health Minister seems a bit annoyed people cannot listen and stop doing large gatherings
Dix was blunt in his advice for anyone organizing or planning to attend large parties or gatherings in "the middle of a global pandemic."

"Enough. That's enough now."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...st-6-1.5677163

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 7th 2020 2:17 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
At least 45 cases this week are linked to a party in the Vancouver area. 400 something people also having to self isolate because of that party where people attended that party, then went to other parties.

https://globalnews.ca/video/7256657/...ncouver-party/

Cases in the interior seem to have settled down at least.

1,143 (+11) cases in the Vancouver Coastal Health region

2,045 (+30) cases in the Fraser Health region

146 (0) cases in the Island Health region

385 (+1) cases in the Interior Health region

93 (+2) cases in the Northern Health region

69 (+3) cases of people who reside outside of Canada.

BristolUK Aug 7th 2020 10:26 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Anyone up for a pint?

Forbes - Another day, another Covid-19 outbreak traced back to a bar. In what seems to be a daily occurrence now as more countries and cities re-open their social drinking establishments, bars are increasingly solidifying their reputation as prime coronavirus transmission hot spots. Bar outbreaks have since happened in France, where one 19 year old with Covid-19 managed to infect 72 of his friends by partying at an over-packed bar in the small town of Quiberon. Just in the last few days, 16 people were diagnosed with Covid-19 after hundreds packed into a pub garden in Stone in England. Hundreds more who were at the pub had to be tested with many results still pending and the outbreak triggered a rush of closures of other businesses in the small town. Numerous other countries have reported bar outbreaks, including the U.S., Spain and South Korea.

Custodio Pinto, who runs the Crown and Anchor in Stone, Stoke-on-Trent, apologised on Facebook after at least 19 confirmed cases of Covid-19 were linked to the venue.Pinto wrote: “First and foremost, I would like to express my deepest regret for all the anguish, disruption and sadness that the events that occurred in the Crown and Anchor last month have caused to so many. I have lived in Stone since 2001 where we have raised our three children and it has always been nothing but the greatest pleasure to be part of this fantastic community. However, on July 18, I accept that I was simply not strong enough in enforcing the government’s Covid-19 secure rules, despite detailed preparation according to their guidelines. I regret I was complacent in enforcing these rules with the customers.”

Pulaski Aug 7th 2020 1:41 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12893643)
Anyone up for a pint?

Sure, why not? :rolleyes:

I'm having a Corona, what can I get you? :lol:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...55d92494ec.jpg

Atlantic Xpat Aug 7th 2020 2:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12893726)
Sure, why not? :rolleyes:

I'm having a Corona, what can I get you? :lol:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...55d92494ec.jpg

I went to a pub (a brewery taproom to be precise) last night. First time since pre-Covid. Social distancing rules very much followed - table service only & spaced out, no more than 6 to a table, servers in masks. We had to wait about 15 minutes for a table. It was in a building where the whole side is a roller door opening into a patio so even though we were sitting inside there was good airflow.

Of course, the context is that Newfoundland as of yesterday had zero cases reported of Covid. (& all cases in the past couple of months - 4 in total I think) have been linked to travel. I think I'd feel rather less safe going to a pub in an area with a higher incidence rate.
My feeling of being grateful for where I live were reinforced by conversations this morning with colleagues in Florida and India. The former went to a theme park yesterday (what I would consider a highly risky thing to do!) and the latter has been back in lockdown for x weeks & tomorrow is the first opportunity he has t go food shopping for a while.

This thing is not over yet. Not nearly.


Pulaski Aug 7th 2020 2:37 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12893739)
CTV's online poll shows 61% of parents fer sendin' their kids back to school in September, and 39% a'gin.

TODAY'S QUESTION

Will you keep your kids home from school in September?

Yes
1313 (39 %) No
2062 (61 %)Total number of votes: 3375

Interesting - that is precisely in line with a report I saw on the BBC a couple of weeks ago, from Wales IIRC, where actual attendance after schools reopened was down 40%.

I suspect that that 40% measure is a fairly accurate measure of how many people in the 30-50 year old range, are taking the pandemic seriously, and are restricting themselves to "lock down rules" even after businesses are allowed to reopen, with restrictions. I would guess that fewer younger people, and more older people are taking the pandemic seriously.

BristolUK Aug 7th 2020 3:16 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12893726)
Sure, why not? :rolleyes:

I'm having a Corona, what can I get you? :lol:

I'll have a Pale Ale Huruhuru

spouse of scouse Aug 7th 2020 3:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12893747)
I'll have a Pale Ale Huruhuru

You pay extra for the huruhuru.

Pulaski Aug 7th 2020 3:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12893747)
I'll have a Pale Ale Huruhuru

That seems to be more an issue of usage and euphemism than mis-translation. :unsure:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...e4b6e05497.jpg

BristolUK Aug 7th 2020 4:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12893751)
You pay extra for the huruhuru.

If you don't know when to stop (similar to banananana) you may have to pay even more extra?

Pulaski Aug 7th 2020 4:40 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12893766)
.... you may have to pay even more extra?

Maybe, but only a hair. :getcoat:

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 7th 2020 5:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
COVID related job losses are slowly recovering a bit, national unemployment is down to 10.9% but still 1.3 million fewer jobs vs February.

419,000 jobs added in July, across Canada however 345,000 of those were part-time.

BC unemployment is 11.1% down from 13.1%.

Kelowna unemployment rate is 10% down from 10.2% in June and Vancouver is 13.3% which actually increased over June.

Slowly recovering a bit.




scrubbedexpat091 Aug 7th 2020 11:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
53 new cases in BC
No new deaths
386 active cases
11 in hospital, 4 in ICU
5 long term care homes now with active outbreaks and 1 acute care facility with an active outbreak

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...date-1.5678930

caretaker Aug 7th 2020 11:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
23 new cases in Saskatchewan,
our 20th death
57 recoveries, active cases down to 168
13 in hospital, 4 in intensive care
total cases so far 1,409
https://leaderpost.com/news/saskatch...-28d00af2855f/

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 7th 2020 11:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
3 Vancouver Police Officers tested positive, appears they linked the infections of the officers to a house party the officers broke up.

2/3 of the 1,500 self isolating in BC are in the Fraser Health Region.

Most new cases are those who are 20 and 40 years old.

Fewer 60+ getting sick, but concern the virus could start to spread to more vulnerable groups again.


https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08...health-region/



Shard Aug 8th 2020 10:52 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12892905)
How about a sportsman's bet?

I bet that there will not be a one time 100% effective COVID vaccine for the next 5 years. Instead, they will develop a similar vaccine to the flu shot that isn't 100% effective and that you need to have once a year. It will help, but it will not prevent you catching it.

I'm normally an optimist, but I really think that this thing is here to stay and all we can do is reduce the risk of catching it until science catches up.

This is also my understanding of where we are on it. Another interesting point is that not everyone will agree to vaccination, so that even if there is a 100% effective vaccine (as there is with measles) the anti-vaxers will ensure that some instance of the virus remains within the population.

Stumpylegs Aug 8th 2020 1:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12894068)
This is also my understanding of where we are on it. Another interesting point is that not everyone will agree to vaccination, so that even if there is a 100% effective vaccine (as there is with measles) the anti-vaxers will ensure that some instance of the virus remains within the population.

Luckily I believe that even with a 60 or 70% vaccine uptake and a maximum r rate of 2.5 (which is where we were at with no other measures, a fresh population with no natural antibodies) the virus won't really get anywhere.

As each person will on average infect less than one unvaccinated person, so the virus won't grow - add in those anti vaxxers hopefully mixing in their own circles/not mixing, social distancing and greater hygiene it won't even get that far

Danger is those numbers get majorly skewed if the vaccine isn't 100% effective, as the whole thing will snowball as a less effective vaccine gives the anti vaxxers extra traction.
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scrubbedexpat091 Aug 8th 2020 4:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12894068)
This is also my understanding of where we are on it. Another interesting point is that not everyone will agree to vaccination, so that even if there is a 100% effective vaccine (as there is with measles) the anti-vaxers will ensure that some instance of the virus remains within the population.

From this survey done and reported in CBC

32% said they may hold off on getting a vaccine, while 14% said they dont want a vaccine at all.

Of the 32% who said they would hold off, 76% said they were concerned about side effects from the vaccine.

I personally can't blame people, I go back and fourth on it, should I get it as soon as its offered to me, or wait and see if there are any long term side effects, the speed in which this vaccine is being created does concern me, how can anyone say if there will be issue 2 or 3 or 4 years down the road.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...hows-1.5674394



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