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Shard Jul 30th 2020 8:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12889924)
You can scroll down and there is deaths by age group for Canada.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...-cases.html#a7

Looks like

71% were 80 or older.
18% 70 to 79
7.1% 60 to 69
2.3% 50 to 59
0.6% 40 to 49
0.2 % 30 to 39
0.1% 20 to 29

1 death in the under 19 group.

The link also shows total deaths per age group 49 and under no group has over 49 with the 49 deaths being 40 to 49.

Makes sense as long term care homes were hit hard in Canada and mostly made up of older people.

Thanks, that's helpful. Age 50 seems to be the dividing line. So for aged 50-70 if you are confirmed Covid it's about a 1:100 chance of death.

Danny B Jul 30th 2020 8:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Separate households will be banned from meeting indoors from midnight tonight in Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire after a rise in coronavirus cases.

Doesn't sound good.

Shard Jul 30th 2020 8:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
It does not. :unsure:

Stumpylegs Jul 30th 2020 8:56 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
It doesn't extend to shutting pubs and restaurants I don't believe - and whilst the majority of cases are from generally non pub going communities- can see people just using that as an excuse to go the pub/restaurant to socialise or worse - go to a pub in a neighbouring area to socialise.

Strangely our figures don't look too bad - 846 new cases today I believe, whilst not brilliant, its not exactly a number spiralling out of control or a number that has grown significantly, the numbers have been floating around that for some time with peaks and troughs ( 2/3 day averages seem much of a muchness over the last 4 weeks and are certainly lower than those in June or May).

I really don't understand the whole thing now - if cases are truly "out of control" in those areas its time to close the gyms, pubs etc, essential shopping only again. not keep that all open but not let me go round my mums!!


Shard Jul 30th 2020 9:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12889958)
I really don't understand the whole thing now - if cases are truly "out of control" in those areas its time to close the gyms, pubs etc, essential shopping only again. not keep that all open but not let me go round my mums!!

I suppose the logic is that if an individual goes to an external venue, there will be some PPE/SD measures in place, and it is simply that individual (or small group). But if it's visiting other households, the measures are less likely to be in place, and an individual could infect a number of people in the house. Clearly there are exceptions, one person visiting another in homes is not as impactful as a group going to pub which is flled with other groups, but I think on balance there is a logic to locking down households. And who knows, maybe pubs/gyms are next.

DigitalGhost Jul 30th 2020 9:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12889958)
It doesn't extend to shutting pubs and restaurants I don't believe - and whilst the majority of cases are from generally non pub going communities- can see people just using that as an excuse to go the pub/restaurant to socialise or worse - go to a pub in a neighbouring area to socialise.

Strangely our figures don't look too bad - 846 new cases today I believe, whilst not brilliant, its not exactly a number spiralling out of control or a number that has grown significantly, the numbers have been floating around that for some time with peaks and troughs ( 2/3 day averages seem much of a muchness over the last 4 weeks and are certainly lower than those in June or May).

I really don't understand the whole thing now - if cases are truly "out of control" in those areas its time to close the gyms, pubs etc, essential shopping only again. not keep that all open but not let me go round my mums!!

They're not going to do that. They're trying to control the population without stopping them from spending money. It's always about the bottom line with these people.

Pulaski Jul 30th 2020 10:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12889995)
They're not going to do that. They're trying to control the population without stopping them from spending money. It's always about the bottom line with these people.

We need the stupid people to be out-and-about, spending, to stop some segments of the economy imploding. :nod:

Stumpylegs Jul 30th 2020 10:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12889992)
I suppose the logic is that if an individual goes to an external venue, there will be some PPE/SD measures in place, and it is simply that individual (or small group). But if it's visiting other households, the measures are less likely to be in place, and an individual could infect a number of people in the house. Clearly there are exceptions, one person visiting another in homes is not as impactful as a group going to pub which is flled with other groups, but I think on balance there is a logic to locking down households. And who knows, maybe pubs/gyms are next.

No I sort of get that bit - and understand the logic is I believe to stop the large multi generational households often made up of minority ethnics with large extended families mixing. But we've clearly shown shutting everything works for stopping the spread - if we truly wanting to stop the spread why go for half measures for the sake of 2 weeks of pub/restaurant takings in small areas. It's akin to having a house on fire, the fire crew turning up with a bucket of sand, whilst the fully working fire engine is sat in the station because the chiefs are concerned about the water bill.

For me I could completely get the maximum of 1 person from another household, or no household gatherings of more than 6 people - but makes a mockery that I can't go and sit in my mates kitchen (hypothetical) but hey i can go the gym with him and not wear a mask!

And for what its worth I completely get the "save the economy" bit but I don't think shutting the Red Lion in Rossendale for 2 weeks is going to create any more of a recession than we are already in.

Shard Jul 31st 2020 12:06 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12890044)
No I sort of get that bit - and understand the logic is I believe to stop the large multi generational households often made up of minority ethnics with large extended families mixing. But we've clearly shown shutting everything works for stopping the spread - if we truly wanting to stop the spread why go for half measures for the sake of 2 weeks of pub/restaurant takings in small areas. It's akin to having a house on fire, the fire crew turning up with a bucket of sand, whilst the fully working fire engine is sat in the station because the chiefs are concerned about the water bill.

For me I could completely get the maximum of 1 person from another household, or no household gatherings of more than 6 people - but makes a mockery that I can't go and sit in my mates kitchen (hypothetical) but hey i can go the gym with him and not wear a mask!

And for what its worth I completely get the "save the economy" bit but I don't think shutting the Red Lion in Rossendale for 2 weeks is going to create any more of a recession than we are already in.

I don't disagree. Shutting pubs, gyms etc in the area where the virus is spreading would be the most effective means to suppress it. Perhaps they are wanting to avoid the political backlash from business and/or save furlough payments. Stuck between a rock and a hard place I think.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 31st 2020 12:18 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
29 new cases over the past 24 hours in BC.

5 in hospital with 2 in ICU with no new deaths.

Haida Gwaii is restricted now for non residents traveling there.

The blue berry packing plant outbreak in Fraser Valley now has 59 linked cases.

Its a long weekend and I imagine people will be traveling and partying again.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...y-30-1.5669497

Nand Jul 31st 2020 1:12 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12890032)
We need the stupid people to be out-and-about, spending, to stop some segments of the economy imploding. :nod:

Yes. And if a few older people happen to catch Covid19 and die, then at least they won't have to pay out those pensions. There really are so many ways for the governments to save money: keep people working even if it is risky ( termed 'low risk' like schools are, ((I don't know what 'low risk' means when we are talking about this awful disease but ?)) and therefore ensure more taxes get paid in by people getting back to work.

It is a joke how confused its all becoming with all the opening and closing everywhere, to travel or not to travel, to shop or not to shop, to attend social events or not. TBH I won't be doing any of it but still the non constraint is as confusing as the constraints now.

I usually look at the weather predictions every morning to see what type of clothes to wear for the day. Now I must start looking for a similar app telling me what I can expect to be able to do with regard to so many things.

All I really know is that the deadlyness of the Covid19 disease hasn't been validly proven to have changed and the only way not to die from it is to stay away from it. We made a really good start of ending it last spring, IDK wat we are doing now? I see that Dieting and slimming seem to have made the grade for high pertenance nearly as much as it did in the early 2000's. Not really a priority is it? Not going to save the world from a Pandemic IMO.

printer Jul 31st 2020 2:07 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12890044)
No I sort of get that bit - and understand the logic is I believe to stop the large multi generational households often made up of minority ethnics with large extended families mixing. But we've clearly shown shutting everything works for stopping the spread - if we truly wanting to stop the spread why go for half measures for the sake of 2 weeks of pub/restaurant takings in small areas. It's akin to having a house on fire, the fire crew turning up with a bucket of sand, whilst the fully working fire engine is sat in the station because the chiefs are concerned about the water bill.

For me I could completely get the maximum of 1 person from another household, or no household gatherings of more than 6 people - but makes a mockery that I can't go and sit in my mates kitchen (hypothetical) but hey i can go the gym with him and not wear a mask!

And for what its worth I completely get the "save the economy" bit but I don't think shutting the Red Lion in Rossendale for 2 weeks is going to create any more of a recession than we are already in.

You are right the whole thing seems like they just make it up as they go along, no real strategy. You have to wonder how they are going to actually police this latest idea, particularly with the large family groups in these areas. As you say they can always meet in the pub instead, or the gym or where ever else is open. The problem with closing establishments is how and when you re open, that's the critical factor. Its clearly useless to close pubs for example for 2 weeks then open them all up again and judging by that recent story of the 200 people crammed into the pub and someone was infected who then went to a private party its clear the pubs are not all operating with the new regulations.

Pulaski Jul 31st 2020 2:20 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by tumbleweedly (Post 12890091)
Yes. And if a few older people happen to catch Covid19 and die, then at least they won't have to pay out those pensions. There really are so many ways for the governments to save money: keep people working even if it is risky ( termed 'low risk' like schools are, ((I don't know what 'low risk' means when we are talking about this awful disease but ?)) and therefore ensure more taxes get paid in by people getting back to work.

It is a joke how confused its all becoming with all the opening and closing everywhere, to travel or not to travel, to shop or not to shop, to attend social events or not. .....

Confusing doesn't begin to describe the mess that has been created - the US has suffered considerably from poor leadership by the federal government, and a civil war of ideas not only between the federal and state governments, but also between state and city governments. The UK on the other hand just seems to have tried to make the rules as complex and confusing as absolutely possible, with permitted and non-permitted contact, businesses that can and cannot open and a whole load of confusing rules about numbers and who you can associate and where, when and where to wear a mask, social distancing, and what distance is "required", and what the role of hand santitizer is.

I can understand, partially at least, the desire to not set rules too tough as (i) people will soon tire of them, and (ii) some people will just ignore them entirely, but the mess of rules has become unnessarily complex, and then changed on a weekly basis, pretty much ensuring that it is just about impossible to understand what the rules allow this week. :confused:

My wife and I have read widely from the eariest days of the crisis in mid-March and deduced the following principles to ensure our own safety:

(i) minimize contact with people outside our family, which comprises Mrs P, little Miss P, and myself. I presume that makes us a "bubble". Minimize means what it says, so shopping trips are conducted singly, and only when we run out of one of our staple foods, which ususually means milk, and that means one shopping trip per week. And all shopping trips are at times of day when the shops are quietest - groceries between 7am and 9am, and DIY shops (about once a month) in the evening.

(ii) practice SD to the greatest possible extent, so shopping during quiet times of day, per above, but then keeping away from other people too - not "hoping" to achieve 6ft, but starting out targeting 15 or 20ft, and trying to maintain that - avoiding grocery aisles with other people shopping in them, waiting 15ft or more away for someone to move, etc. Bypassing "crowds" of two or three entirely, and circling back later to see if the aisle is clear.

(iii) always wearing a mask when "near" anyone when not at home. We adopted this very early, back in March, and have applied it rigorously ever since, always indoors, and outdoors too if we expect to come within 15-20ft of others.

(iv) not treating (i), (ii) and (iii) above as alternatives. Doing all of the above is better than just doing one or two of them - in other words hanging out with others, even relatives, close friends, or neighbours, is best avoided for now. Wearing a mask helps, but not as much as staying at home would. Social distancing helps, but SD + mask is better, .... and staying home is better still. :nod:

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 31st 2020 4:08 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Canada Day weekend the gift that keeps on giving. Maybe its a good thing the phone doesn't work sufficiently to do IC, its keeping us home more. I don't particularly feel comfortable in stores where maybe 10% of the people inside are wearing masks. My wife went to her new GP (they wont do phone/virtual appointments like our GP in Vancouver did.) and not even the doctor wears a mask.

I am still looking for a GP, and doing virtual appointments with my Vancouver GP still.

https://www.kelownacapnews.com/news/...ation-changes/

"Interior Health (IH) is reporting a total of 130 cases of COVID-19 in the Kelowna area between June 26, when exposure events were first noted, and today, July 30."

I wonder if this long weekend will lead to an increase in cases for August?


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...aa6725508b.jpg


Aero Mexico 696 seems to be a trouble maker.



Shard Jul 31st 2020 9:19 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12890103)
Confusing doesn't begin to describe the mess that has been created - the US has suffered considerably from poor leadership by the federal government, and a civil war of ideas not only between the federal and state governments, but also between state and city governments. The UK on the other hand just seems to have tried to make the rules as complex and confusing as absolutely possible, with permitted and non-permitted contact, businesses that can and cannot open and a whole load of confusing rules about numbers and who you can associate and where, when and where to wear a mask, social distancing, and what distance is "required", and what the role of hand santitizer is.

I can understand, partially at least, the desire to not set rules too tough as (i) people will soon tire of them, and (ii) some people will just ignore them entirely, but the mess of rules has become unnessarily complex, and then changed on a weekly basis, pretty much ensuring that it is just about impossible to understand what the rules allow this week. :confused:

My wife and I have read widely from the eariest days of the crisis in mid-March and deduced the following principles to ensure our own safety:

(i) minimize contact with people outside our family, which comprises Mrs P, little Miss P, and myself. I presume that makes us a "bubble". Minimize means what it says, so shopping trips are conducted singly, and only when we run out of one of our staple foods, which ususually means milk, and that means one shopping trip per week. And all shopping trips are at times of day when the shops are quietest - groceries between 7am and 9am, and DIY shops (about once a month) in the evening.

(ii) practice SD to the greatest possible extent, so shopping during quiet times of day, per above, but then keeping away from other people too - not "hoping" to achieve 6ft, but starting out targeting 15 or 20ft, and trying to maintain that - avoiding grocery aisles with other people shopping in them, waiting 15ft or more away for someone to move, etc. Bypassing "crowds" of two or three entirely, and circling back later to see if the aisle is clear.

(iii) always wearing a mask when "near" anyone when not at home. We adopted this very early, back in March, and have applied it rigorously ever since, always indoors, and outdoors too if we expect to come within 15-20ft of others.

(iv) not treating (i), (ii) and (iii) above as alternatives. Doing all of the above is better than just doing one or two of them - in other words hanging out with others, even relatives, close friends, or neighbours, is best avoided for now. Wearing a mask helps, but not as much as staying at home would. Social distancing helps, but SD + mask is better, .... and staying home is better still. :nod:

So things are pretty chilled out at Camp Pulaski :lol: Great protocol, it's encouraging to know that there are some even more cautious than myself. I think what's happening now, the easing (coinciding with summer) is an experiment of sorts, the public, inadvertently, testing the virulence of the virus. Initial lockdown was a necessary emergency response to flatten the curve, it worked, and now the question is what level of activity can be tolerated while still largely suppressing community transmission. I guess the question for many of us is whether we are willing to be collateral damage in the experiment or not.


Jerseygirl Jul 31st 2020 12:33 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12890103)
Confusing doesn't begin to describe the mess that has been created - the US has suffered considerably from poor leadership by the federal government, and a civil war of ideas not only between the federal and state governments, but also between state and city governments. The UK on the other hand just seems to have tried to make the rules as complex and confusing as absolutely possible, with permitted and non-permitted contact, businesses that can and cannot open and a whole load of confusing rules about numbers and who you can associate and where, when and where to wear a mask, social distancing, and what distance is "required", and what the role of hand santitizer is.

I can understand, partially at least, the desire to not set rules too tough as (i) people will soon tire of them, and (ii) some people will just ignore them entirely, but the mess of rules has become unnessarily complex, and then changed on a weekly basis, pretty much ensuring that it is just about impossible to understand what the rules allow this week. :confused:

My wife and I have read widely from the eariest days of the crisis in mid-March and deduced the following principles to ensure our own safety:

(i) minimize contact with people outside our family, which comprises Mrs P, little Miss P, and myself. I presume that makes us a "bubble". Minimize means what it says, so shopping trips are conducted singly, and only when we run out of one of our staple foods, which ususually means milk, and that means one shopping trip per week. And all shopping trips are at times of day when the shops are quietest - groceries between 7am and 9am, and DIY shops (about once a month) in the evening.

(ii) practice SD to the greatest possible extent, so shopping during quiet times of day, per above, but then keeping away from other people too - not "hoping" to achieve 6ft, but starting out targeting 15 or 20ft, and trying to maintain that - avoiding grocery aisles with other people shopping in them, waiting 15ft or more away for someone to move, etc. Bypassing "crowds" of two or three entirely, and circling back later to see if the aisle is clear.

(iii) always wearing a mask when "near" anyone when not at home. We adopted this very early, back in March, and have applied it rigorously ever since, always indoors, and outdoors too if we expect to come within 15-20ft of others.

(iv) not treating (i), (ii) and (iii) above as alternatives. Doing all of the above is better than just doing one or two of them - in other words hanging out with others, even relatives, close friends, or neighbours, is best avoided for now. Wearing a mask helps, but not as much as staying at home would. Social distancing helps, but SD + mask is better, .... and staying home is better still. :nod:

Yup...we more or less do the same. We have only seen our daughter and granddaughter outside from a distance of approx 10ft, since the beginning of March. We wear masks when out walking and stay clear of people. Mostly I get groceries delivered, if we go to the store (which is rare) we wear N95 masks and glasses. Our daughter has been working from home and apart from walks, she stays home. The weak link in our family is our granddaughter, she stays with her dad every other weekend.

I am expecting the freezing cold winter months to be difficult. Can’t stand/sit outside and chat, walks will be much shorter. We usually escape to the sun for a few months...not this year. :(

Pulaski Jul 31st 2020 2:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12890274)
...... We usually escape to the sun for a few months...not this year. ...

For who knows what reason a friend of Mrs P (not geographically close - Mrs P hasn't met her in over two years) decided with her husband, that a road trip from the east coast to Colorado was a good idea, taking their small child. They are not deniers, so have been taking SD and mask precautions since the spring, and we were a little surprised to hear that they were taking a road trip like that. :unsure:

Aaanyway, the FB reports of their trip, with all the SD and mask wearing, meeting relatives outside and at a distance, and staying in an Airbnb, which was "remote" (they never met the owner), was that parts of the experience were "scary", notably the toilet stops on the journey. But over all they seemed to have taken all the precautions and things went according to plan.

They got back home, and then the friend discovered that she had caught it! :eek:

I guess, looking back, that the road trip doesn't look like it was such a good idea. :(

Stumpylegs Jul 31st 2020 3:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Another month of closed borders for Canada.

Another day of misleading stats for Britain.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 31st 2020 4:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12890103)
Confusing doesn't begin to describe the mess that has been created - the US has suffered considerably from poor leadership by the federal government, and a civil war of ideas not only between the federal and state governments, but also between state and city governments. The UK on the other hand just seems to have tried to make the rules as complex and confusing as absolutely possible, with permitted and non-permitted contact, businesses that can and cannot open and a whole load of confusing rules about numbers and who you can associate and where, when and where to wear a mask, social distancing, and what distance is "required", and what the role of hand santitizer is.

I can understand, partially at least, the desire to not set rules too tough as (i) people will soon tire of them, and (ii) some people will just ignore them entirely, but the mess of rules has become unnessarily complex, and then changed on a weekly basis, pretty much ensuring that it is just about impossible to understand what the rules allow this week. :confused:

My wife and I have read widely from the eariest days of the crisis in mid-March and deduced the following principles to ensure our own safety:

(i) minimize contact with people outside our family, which comprises Mrs P, little Miss P, and myself. I presume that makes us a "bubble". Minimize means what it says, so shopping trips are conducted singly, and only when we run out of one of our staple foods, which ususually means milk, and that means one shopping trip per week. And all shopping trips are at times of day when the shops are quietest - groceries between 7am and 9am, and DIY shops (about once a month) in the evening.

(ii) practice SD to the greatest possible extent, so shopping during quiet times of day, per above, but then keeping away from other people too - not "hoping" to achieve 6ft, but starting out targeting 15 or 20ft, and trying to maintain that - avoiding grocery aisles with other people shopping in them, waiting 15ft or more away for someone to move, etc. Bypassing "crowds" of two or three entirely, and circling back later to see if the aisle is clear.

(iii) always wearing a mask when "near" anyone when not at home. We adopted this very early, back in March, and have applied it rigorously ever since, always indoors, and outdoors too if we expect to come within 15-20ft of others.

(iv) not treating (i), (ii) and (iii) above as alternatives. Doing all of the above is better than just doing one or two of them - in other words hanging out with others, even relatives, close friends, or neighbours, is best avoided for now. Wearing a mask helps, but not as much as staying at home would. Social distancing helps, but SD + mask is better, .... and staying home is better still. :nod:


Early on we managed pretty well with not going anywhere, now we go out a few times a week, can't stock up on essentials really so we have to go out for at least food, prescriptions every week, had to go to the mall yesterday to sort something out with the cell phone bill as the phone wasn't working and we didn't have another phone, I didn't particularly like being in a mall for an hour, few had masks on, and people don't even try to social distance.

I'd prefer to have everything delivered, and not having to go out much, but its becoming increasingly difficult, at one point when doing instacart we were going into crowded stores 3-6 times per day, but so far as far as we are aware have avoided getting it so far.

We don;t socialize with others, eat out, or such, the tricky part of going out is everyone around you not distancing their bodies from yours, seems every-time I turned around in the grocery store someone was 2 feet or less away, no concern at all, but we can't do instacart here, so we haven't been out as much, but eventually one of us will get a job, and it will almost certainly be a public facing job, and difficult to distance from co-workers.






Danny B Jul 31st 2020 4:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12890124)

Aero Mexico 696 seems to be a trouble maker.

Build the wall, build the wall, build the wall. No wait...a wall would not have helped would it :o

Shard Jul 31st 2020 6:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12890307)
For who knows what reason a friend of Mrs P (not geographically close - Mrs P hasn't met her in over two years) decided with her husband, that a road trip from the east coast to Colorado was a good idea, taking their small child. They are not deniers, so have been taking SD and mask precautions since the spring, and we were a little surprised to hear that they were taking a road trip like that. :unsure:

Aaanyway, the FB reports of their trip, with all the SD and mask wearing, meeting relatives outside and at a distance, and staying in an Airbnb, which was "remote" (they never met the owner), was that parts of the experience were "scary", notably the toilet stops on the journey. But over all they seemed to have taken all the precautions and things went according to plan.

They got back home, and then the friend discovered that she had caught it! :eek:

I guess, looking back, that the road trip doesn't look like it was such a good idea. :(

Food for thought. But I suppose if she recovers and doesn't transmit it will have been a ok outcome.

Pulaski Jul 31st 2020 6:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12890422)
Food for thought. But I suppose if she recovers and doesn't transmit it will have been a ok outcome.

There is an emerging issue from the past couple of days that means that "recovery" might not mean what people think it means. :scaredhair:

Stumpylegs Jul 31st 2020 6:35 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12890431)
There is an emerging issue from the past couple of days that means that "recovery" might not mean what people think it means. :scaredhair:

And if that truly is the case, surely the answer has to be to not open up any further, possibly even close back down till a vaccine is found.

Taking it all with a large pinch of salt(not that that's any good for my heart either) as of late, whilst still trying to protect myself the best I can and hopefully look forward to a transatlantic move at some point in the next couple of years.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 31st 2020 7:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Stumpylegs (Post 12890435)
And if that truly is the case, surely the answer has to be to not open up any further, possibly even close back down till a vaccine is found.

Taking it all with a large pinch of salt(not that that's any good for my heart either) as of late, whilst still trying to protect myself the best I can and hopefully look forward to a transatlantic move at some point in the next couple of years.

Which then brings to the question can society survive locked down long term? Or what if a vaccine is not found or isn't as effective as we are hoping.

Ferries to Vancouver Island seemed busy this morning according to the news, seems like a lot of people are travelling for the long weekend possibly, you would think people could manage to spend 1 summer without travelling around.

Pulaski Jul 31st 2020 7:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12890449)
...., you would think people could manage to spend 1 summer without travelling around.

Not in the UK - there's a whole lot of madness going on!

Surely this is going to lead to a new spike in cases in the South East? :unsure: ..... The article quotes one woman, pictured, complaining that the locals will suffer because of the crowds, and that "There shouldn't be this many people here .... The traffic is horrendous - I live locally and it was a nightmare to get here." :confused: .... The crowds shouldn't be there, but neither should she! It's insanity, utter insanity!!! :blink:

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 31st 2020 7:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12890453)
Not in the UK - there's a whole lot of madness going on!

Surely this is going to lead to a new spike in cases in the South East? :unsure: ..... The article quotes one woman, pictured, complaining that the locals will suffer because of the crowds, and that "There shouldn't be this many people here .... The traffic is horrendous - I live locally and it was a nightmare to get here." :confused: .... The crowds shouldn't be there, but neither should she! It's insanity, utter insanity!!! :blink:

It's not really any better in Canada, too many people travelling about. My wife's family just went from various places in BC to Tofino because their words not mine "COVID isn't really a big deal, and we take precautions" but then spend a week all hanging out in close quarters, then off to their home city's.

My has a family in Texas who takes 0 precautions and posts multiple times a day about the COVID fraud, and "fake" deaths, I swear this pandemic is bringing the crazy out of people who always seemed normal.

BristolUK Jul 31st 2020 8:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
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Pulaski Jul 31st 2020 8:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12890462)
.... My has a family in Texas who takes 0 precautions and posts multiple times a day about the COVID fraud, and "fake" deaths, ....

You forgot the "empty hospitals". :rolleyes:

..... I swear this pandemic is bringing the crazy out of people who always seemed normal.
I can't argue with that - there are some in my wife's family and circle of friends who are as crazy as what you describe. :(

I can't help but wonder how many people have to die before it is no longer "fake news", no longer "just a little flu bug"? :confused: I suppose there must be some who would hold fast to their insane conspiracy theory even if the deaths passed 100million.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 31st 2020 9:13 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12890488)
You forgot the "empty hospitals". :rolleyes:

I can't argue with that - there are some in my wife's family and circle of friends who are as crazy as what you describe. :(

I can't help but wonder how many people have to die before it is no longer "fake news", no longer "just a little flu bug"? :confused: I suppose there must be some who would hold fast to their insane conspiracy theory even if the deaths passed 100milion.

An example of idiocy that knows no borders. Hey its a pandemic, so lets do an unsanctioned and not legal beach party.

Time will tell if people show up, but likely they will, the 20-30 age group really doesn't feel they need to distance and take precautions, they seem to forget they can carry it home to older more vulnerable friends and family.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...arty-1.5670408


And flu season is only around the corner now, last thing we need is a bad flu season on top of COVID, hopefully more will get flu shots to reduce the spread of flu this winter.

We had groups here questioning the empty hospitals, well gee did you forget about the part of cancelling all non-essential medical procedures to free up bed space, that's why they looked empty, but at the peak of hospitalizations the ICU wasn't empty, but of course you can't just wander into the ICU like you can in other parts of a hospital.


Shard Jul 31st 2020 9:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12890431)
There is an emerging issue from the past couple of days that means that "recovery" might not mean what people think it means. :scaredhair:

Yes, there have been several reports on ongoing health issues post-Covid. Perhaps in a couple of years time, if its impact turns out to be far more consequential than we assume, we will look back on 2020 as a period of absolute recklessness. I hope not, but I don't rule it out.

Shard Jul 31st 2020 9:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12890462)
It's not really any better in Canada, too many people travelling about. My wife's family just went from various places in BC to Tofino because their words not mine "COVID isn't really a big deal, and we take precautions" but then spend a week all hanging out in close quarters, then off to their home city's.

My has a family in Texas who takes 0 precautions and posts multiple times a day about the COVID fraud, and "fake" deaths, I swear this pandemic is bringing the crazy out of people who always seemed normal.

There's been so many mixed messages from governments of all stripes, it's easy to see why some folks get confused or disregard the reality.

Shard Jul 31st 2020 9:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12890488)
You forgot the "empty hospitals". :rolleyes:

I can't argue with that - there are some in my wife's family and circle of friends who are as crazy as what you describe. :(

I can't help but wonder how many people have to die before it is no longer "fake news", no longer "just a little flu bug"? :confused: I suppose there must be some who would hold fast to their insane conspiracy theory even if the deaths passed 100milion.

There would. Look at all the religious nutters in the US and in certain British communities. These are people in absolute denial of reality, so it's not a great leap to deny an invisible virus. Numbers are abstract. In the UK does anyone really apprciate the difference between 400 deaths and 40,000 deaths? Not really. And the way the government talks up the pandemic response you would think that Britain has managed very well, instead of disastrously. I think the reason is that it's a low drama disease. If young people were getting lurid skin conditions and or looking emancipated, perhaps then the visual imagery would spook a few more people. What they see are the elderly in well staffed ICU and assume it's all the normal cycle of life.

Pulaski Jul 31st 2020 9:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12890509)
.... And flu season is only around the corner now, last thing we need is a bad flu season on top of COVID, ....

I have been predicting that myself for several weeks - a moderately severe flu season could multiply the death rate of conronavirus severalfold. :nod:

Former Lancastrian Jul 31st 2020 9:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
It's a long weekend and I won't be social distancing with my best friend Captain Morgan. People will do whatever they feel is right and do their own risk assessment regardless of what protocols are being enforced. Now granted this doesn't help those that are complying who might need to pop out for 5 minutes just to pick milk or bread up as delivery isn't available.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 31st 2020 10:10 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12890518)
It's a long weekend and I won't be social distancing with my best friend Captain Morgan. People will do whatever they feel is right and do their own risk assessment regardless of what protocols are being enforced. Now granted this doesn't help those that are complying who might need to pop out for 5 minutes just to pick milk or bread up as delivery isn't available.

I hate going to stores to shop, but when Wal-Mart for example puts $50 minimum for order online for pick up, forces people into the stores. It's pretty rare we spend $50 at once in a store, we have to buy small amounts generally, same with Instacart, not worth it for small orders, looked into it for a handful of items, totaled $21 to avoid going to the store, but with IC fee, the service fee, and the tip, that was another $14, so to the store we went. :lol:

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 31st 2020 11:22 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
50 new cases in BC, one additional death, 5 in hospital.

Two long-term care facilities and one acute-care facility have outbreaks.

Health official urge people to keep groups small during the long weekend.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...iday-1.5671328


BristolUK Aug 1st 2020 1:17 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12890528)
I hate going to stores to shop, but when Wal-Mart for example puts $50 minimum for order online for pick up, forces people into the stores. It's pretty rare we spend $50 at once in a store, we have to buy small amounts generally, same with Instacart, not worth it for small orders, looked into it for a handful of items, totaled $21 to avoid going to the store, but with IC fee, the service fee, and the tip, that was another $14, so to the store we went. :lol:

Pay the tenner a month to IC. The service fee is then only 2% instead of 5% and the other fixed fee isn't charged. Min order then is only $35. Shop twice a month and you save money already.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 1st 2020 1:30 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12890555)
Pay the tenner a month to IC. The service fee is then only 2% instead of 5% and the other fixed fee isn't charged. Min order then is only $35. Shop twice a month and you save money already.

I may look into it next month's trip, the min order is pretty low at the moment in this region, $10 or $15 depending on store, seems different stores have different minimums.

Costco is now in IC at least here in parts of BC for anyone with a membership that wants to avoid going into the chaotic stores.

But tip well for Costco, its a super difficult shop because its all bulk size, and more time consuming.

I have noticed here that IC doesn't do within 2 hours (at least the times I have tried) but its within 5 hours, guess less shoppers here most likely.

Jerseygirl Aug 3rd 2020 1:52 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Speculation that Canada could keep the US border closed until next year.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/can...aska-1.5670867

mrken30 Aug 3rd 2020 3:02 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Over 1% of Americans have been tested positive at some point now, thats more than 1 in 100 people, The question is, how much of the community has to be positive for infection rates to really take off? How long until we are up to 10% of the population?


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