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Don't swallow or inject it though!

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For the vaccine to be effective it needs to be given to as many people as possible so really you should let off the antis as well as the old fogeys!

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It was said ages ago that a gargle with salt water is beneficial - and cheaper!

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Do you know my mum? There's nothing that can't be fixed by gargling with salt water :lol:

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The Flying Doctor would say "Tell him to lay on his side and drink plenty of water, and I'll be there in a couple of hours."

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So I better stock up on my mouthwash before people start hoarding it..... I have been using a mouthwash with that active ingredient for years.

I will stick with mouthwash over saltwater, the taste of saltwater is unpleasant. :sick:

1.5 liters of mouthwash costs like $5 on sale and lasts a few months, well worth the cost to avoid saltwater.

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FedEx Canada, Kuehne + Nagel, McKesson Canada and UPS Healthcare have prequalified to bid for a Canadian government contract to distribute COVID vaccines.

McKesson Canada’s U.S. parent company is the designated vaccine distributor in the US.

Canadian Armed Forces are working with Public Health Canada to help coordinate distribution.

The winners of the bid expected to take on a larger role distributing the Moderna vaccine than Pfizer which is working with the government for direct, just in time distribution to vaccine sites.

https://freightwaves.com/news/canada...ution-contract

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Not getting any better.

717 new cases announced today, 11 more deaths.

Today's announcement marks highest single-day totals for new cases and deaths, greatest number of people in hospital, and highest number of active cases todate.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...v-17-1.5805802

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Getting bad south of the border, certainly Colorado, quite a few areas are going red.

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Abbotsford care home was 101 cases involving staff and residents.

42 staff and 59 residents.

59 residents is 50% of the residents who live there.

Many of the staff who tested positive showed no symptoms and were not aware they had the virus until their test came back positive.

https://www.abbynews.com/news/tabor-...ovid-19-cases/

Nurses union say's nurses struggling with shortage of both staff and PPE.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...nges-1.5804860

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Does this make any sense?
https://www.hamilton.ca/coronavirus/...es-in-hamilton

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no

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Looks like the restrictions in Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health will be extended at least 2 more weeks. More updates tomorrow during the press conference.

BC asking the federal government for a "pan-Canadian approach" to travel during the COVID-19 pandemic. BC doesn't want any non-essential travel into or out of the province.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ions-1.5806783

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Imagine you're Flllaarttz from the planet Zog.
You're here to invade Canada, why? I don't know.
You look at the country and investigate it's political structure.
You've only got one rusty Acme Decimatotron cannon in the ship so you can't hope to defeat the entire country in one go... but wait... you notice that the country has a provincial structure and an inherent political distrust between provinces that'll mean you can pick one off before moving to the next.
You can do this because you know it'll take a few Zogon months before the policians'll be getting together to discuss whether they need another meeting to decide who's providing the coffee.
"Hmmm..." thinks Flllaarttz, "Canada's not a bad name but I'll call it Xzrddffrrwwssppkk when it's all over, so much easier to pronounce."

But this is a serious problem and one that Flllaarttz recognised straight away, and one incidentally that'll see him conquering the US afterwards, except it'll be easier in their case.
This pandemic affects the country as a whole. Infection is the main vector for increased casualties and travel between provinces ensures a rapid spread throughout the nation.
BC is right, provinces need to cede responsibility where interprovince travel is concerned to a centralised body, preferably one that doesn't have any politicians in it.

But Flllaarttz isn't worried, he's betting on politicians behaving like politicians to help him... Now that new anthem, needs to be something that rolls off the tongues of his three heads.

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Aint no one telling me where I can and cannot travel. This is Canada, land of the glorious and free! :lol:

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762 new cases and 10 more deaths.

209 people in hospital, with 58 in intensive care.

New outbreaks at Agecare Harmony Court Estates in Burnaby, Menno Home in Abbotsford and Peace Villa in Fort St. John.

Premier has been speaking with faith leaders asking them to limit in person events for Gurpurab, Chanukah and Christmas.

Surrey mayor considering bylaw to require masks be worn within the city.

Dr. Henry and Adrian Dix expected to update on the restrictions tomorrow.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...v-18-1.5807402

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Well the Govt of Nfld and Labrador is telling you & everyone else outside the Atlantic Bubble that you can't come here & that was challenged and upheld in court. ( https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...sion-1.5727549 ).
We don't want no stinking BC/Ontarians/Albertans etc here!

All joking aside, the Atlantic Bubble has been very successful to-date and I'm very happy about that. It's getting noticed as well with articles in the NYT and on Bloomberg recently: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tlantic-bubble . The fear of course is that pride comes before the fall & that C19 gets into the community & wreaks havoc in an aging and generally unhealthy population (Obesity and diabetes rates in Newfoundland are higher than on average in Canada). So far, all cases since May have been related to travel - rotational workers and people on a travel exemption. A recent case (& the only one in hospital at present) was a guy who came here from Russia to work on the power project boondoggle thats bankrupt us.

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Yet more promising vaccine news to wake up to today, the beginning of the end is in sight :fingerscrossed:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...roval-12136224

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...-show-12135926

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Province to province bans I can understand, hard to enforce but I agree with.

It's the travel restrictions within your own province that will cause the most amount of upset, especially over Christmas.

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On the TV this morning they were saying it will be well into next year before most are able to get the vaccine.

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yes, I imagine it will take ages to manufacture and distribute billions of these vials. Pfizer have 20m ready to be shipped as soon as they get approval. Lets hope these go to front line workers in the worst hit countries and not the Kardashians in Beverley hills.

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Money talks...especially in the US.

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Too soon, it is perhaps the end of the beginning,,, now who said that....

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This was US specific but Dr. Fauci expects the general public to have access to vaccines mid 2021, before then just high risk groups.

I won't be surprised if its similiar in Canada, if anything they really need to focus on long term care homes and those who work in said homes first, then onto the next category and eventually the general public.


There is still one big question that won't be answered for a bit, how long will the vaccine provide protection, nobody seems to know yet.

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I should apologise Jsmith. Back in the spring I told you to calm down, this will last a couple of months and we'll just ride it out..... I may have underestimated the problem. :lol:

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It got worse than even I imagined it would, I never imagined it to be this bad and I wasn't exactly optimistic either....:rofl:

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And it's likely to get worse still.
The initial warning that 2-3 million could die in the US from this virus is dictated by the mathematics of contagion.
Efforts until now have been made, not to reduce the number of potential deaths, but to extend the timescale over which the infection spreads.
It's been done for two reasons. Chief among these has been the need to protect health services to prevent them being overwhelmed, but also to give industry time to invent a method or vaccine to deal with or prevent infection in the first place.
Now that infection is widespread within the US, I think we can see an extensive increase in the rate of infection. Where the death rate is between 0.5-1.5% of those infected you don't need to be a PhD in advanced statistics to realise that the initial fears may well turn out to be true.

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I don't doubt it will especially with US thanksgiving coming up followed by Christmas.

BC will likely worsen as well over Christmas, people likely wont skip their celebrations and gather.

Might not be the best time to work in a long term care home either, there seems to be some struggling finding people to work in such places at the moment, but I wouldn't want to, its almost guaranteed you will get COVID working in one.

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Not only the US...I think the figures will be dire in many countries come Jan/Feb...after TG, Christmas and NY.

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I'm sure you're right, you cane only to look at the published rates of infection.

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BC went hardcore today, some of the new rules.

Gathering restrictions have now been expanded province wise, people are not to have any gatherings except with those from the same household.

Masks are now mandatory in public places.

Companies being asked to suspend return to office and continue having employees work from home.

Pattern of transmission in workplaces, so businesses asked to reevaluate their safety plan and ensure compliance, lunch rooms and carpools being 2 sources of workplace transmission.

BC asking non-residents not to visit BC, and asking BC residents to stay within their region, only travel for essential reasons.

In person faith services have been suspended.

All community and social events to be cancelled for at least the next 2 weeks.

538 new cases, 1 death, and 219 patients in hospital.



One thing I don't fully understand is no gatherings, but schools are still in session.....:confused:

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I don't understand how governments expect to enforce the "no gatherings at your household with people outside your household." There is no capacity to enforce such a rule and it is a gross violation of one's property rights. Obviously it will be easy to enforce things that stand out such as a house with 5+ cars in the drive and loud music, but the quieter gatherings (i.e. people who are careful to not make it obvious they are flouting the rules) will go on undetected.

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They can’t...they are relaying on people using their common sense and sense of decency. Obviously some people don’t have either. :nod:

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they don't expect to enforce it , how can they? What they do expect is for people to understand why it is being asked and for them not to use bullshit excuses like "it is a gross violation of one's property rights" in order to spread around a deadly virus.

of course this has proven to be wild dream as people are blatantly more interested in their own selfish wants than actually stopping the spread

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I wouldn't necessarily call it deadly. Only about 1% of the Cdn. population has tested positive and even less then that have died. Comparing it to the 1918 pandemic is a little ridiculous as people were literally dropping like flies.

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I'm sorry , i know you are frustrated by the lack of things you can do, believe me i feel it to, count yourself lucky that you don't work in an industry that has been decimated by this crap
I get frustrated too , because this would be OVER if people had done what needed to be done ( I include governments in this)

but of course it is deadly , people die from it.
I honestly have no patience for people who seem to think that the restrictions are somehow a personal affront as opposed to a reasonable measure to limit the spread of DEADLY (yes i'm using that phrase again , but it happens be be true , according to the WHO)

go work in a covid ward without PPE , then tell me how "not deadly" this virus is ;)

i never mentioned 1918 , so don't put words into my mouth.

you do realize that the lack of deaths etc is a direct result of precautions taken , not something that has happened despite them. it has become very clear (just look at the numbers in Ontario), that as people relax their precautions , cases rise

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I do think that's more than a tad complacent.
We've been relatively untouched in this part of Canada. In NB it took about 6 months to reach 200 cases and we had 2 or 3 fortnights of no new cases. The next 200 was reached in 2 months. We just had the highest one day total in over a month, 2 days later it was beaten and 2 days later beaten again.

Just about every other country in the world, most states and most provinces in North America are seeing record numbers and then record numbers again.

There's increasing evidence of 'long covid' and now organ damage in people who have 'recovered'. Low scale perhaps but more than one organ damaged and these things don't repair themselves. And just in the last week something about one in five people suffering some form of mental illness (anxiety, depression) within three months of apparent recovery.

When you consider that most people having covid and then recovering have yet to reach 3 months, one in five is likely a very conservative figure.

And a new 'now' is the projection that at the current rate Canada's hospitals will be unable to cope with the number of cases by end of year suggesting a lower survival rate, an increase in the long term problems and none of this takes into account the other conditions that people have or will develop that will be less likely to be treated and will thus become problematic in a way they would not have.

As tough as it may be, we can actually do something about it until the vaccines start to do their work.

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Well that's the thing it wouldn't be over. It won't be over until there is a tested vaccine that at the bare minimum removes the "deadly" symptoms. And if the vaccine doesn't eradicate spread, we will be wearing masks and quarantining for years to come in order to protect the vulnerable, even with most people vaccinated. That is the picture that the Canadian government is painting,and it's a grim one and a far cry from a return to normal. Now i'm sure it will be different some places abroad as their governments are focused on different priorities. Even the vaccine news hardly provides any hope for this to end.

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Toronto is on lockdown for a minimum of 28 days, from 12.01 am Monday. Only grocery stores, hardware stores...ie essential services are allowed to be open. No mixing households. Schools will remain open.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...peel-1.5809575

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If most are vaccinated, why would we need to wear masks and quarantine? Those that do not wish to be vaccinated have made their choice and will have to live with the consequences.