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Neighbors call the police on neighbors, it's happened a few times already with enforcement, a recent one in BC where there was a group playing poker, neighbor reported it, police arrived, verified they did not all reside at that address, and issued a 3,000 something fine to the homeowner.

Really all depends on how nosey your neighbors are.Enforcement is only happening if A) The party is so big and loud is attracts police or B) Your neighbor reports you.

They know a % of people wont listen, hopes are enough will to slow the spread.

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Yesterday:And today they announced 23. The highest one day total of the whole pandemic. 12 was maybe the previous highest.

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Our case count has more than doubled. This puts us back to the old flattening the curve mantra.
https://leaderpost.com/news/saskatch...93-in-hospital

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And so will the rest of us really. We will have to assume that anyone else is unvaccinated and so a possible carrier. All the masks, distancing, barriers are going to be with us for a long time. Maybe the unvaccinated can carry bells and shout " unclean, unclean". It's been done before.

Meanwhile parts of Toronto have been declared leper colonies and the great unclean are heading out this way again.

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Doesn’t being vaccinated greatly minimize your chance of contracting Covid? If you do...wouldn’t it be a milder form because you have the antibodies in your system? If so then those vaccinated should be able to go about their biz as we do with flu. Perhaps mask wearing and washing/sanitizing hands will stay with some...which may not be a bad thing.

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Yes it should of course. I'm talking mostly bilge tgere! I guess I thinking of those who can't have the vaccine, they shouldn't have to hide at home.

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No they shouldn’t and the more people that are vaccinated....the less chance they have of contracting it.

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I don’t know if it is a bad thing or not. But I think it’s going to be a hard thing for some (me) to stop doing. Along with disinfecting/quarantining anything that comes into the house.

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me too. It's pretty weird to see old photos or movies without distancing or masks. I don't disinfect stuff that comes in, maybe I should. We're still in a low incidence area so ive never thought it necessary.

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All time high today in Ontario for positive cases...1,588...21 deaths.

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...tion-1.5199238

Experts urge caution regarding a vaccine.

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Vietnam population 97m
Population density 308 people per sq km
1,307 infections
38 COVID deaths

UK Population 67m
Population density 275 people per sq km
1.5m infections
55,000 COVID deaths

What can the world learn from Vietnam?

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Act early is the clear thing - and one which I think we can all agree on.

The rest of it, I'm not so sure - Being that there isn't a power struggle between political parties over there, there is little to opposition to the measures they have took, and i don't think Vietnam are quite so tolerant of anti mask protesters as other places have been forced to be.

I Imagine in the the UK(or Canada, or anywhere in the western world )- forcing people into quarantine facilities with no showers, no proper beds, basic diets etc wouldn't stand, likewise I believe the proper" locking down " or communities wouldn't work given the kerfuffle knocking Manchester up a tier created. Climate may well have helped stop the spread somewhat to (hence why in the UK everyone could be idiots all summer and it was fine, but now the weathers turned its got worse, similar for Canada).

The question I have which hopefully we will never find out the answer to, is whether they have prolonged the inevitable - if a vaccine comes in the next few months Americas resistance to lock down amongst other things will go down in history as a foolish one, if however these vaccines fall through - does the US unintentionally hit herd immunity in Feb>March time, and by May are back to a slightly different normal, but effectively firing on all cylinders, meanwhile NZ, Aus, Vietnam have to keep borders closed and have flare ups and issues for the next 2-3 years?

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Photos from inside an Alberta ICU. (nothing graphic) Photos released by Alberta Health Services.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...d-19-1.5811808

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The daily news:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...bd84004ee8.jpg

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Taking from live conference so typos may occur.

fri sat- 713
sat to sun 626
sun to monday 594

414 Vancouver coastal
1304 Fraser
48 Van Is
104 Interior
61 Northern
2 from outside BC

277 in hospital, 59 critical care.

10,200 under active monitoring.

17 deaths Fri to Mon

Mostly seniors in long term care.

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Not here in the US. On my drive through the rural county my daughter lives in here in Mississippi, I looked at the driveways and most of them all had 3 or 4 cars on them and it was the end of the work yet. It is only obvious if there are out of state license plates.

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Personally I think Covid Hysteria has now got totally out of hand. The costs of dealing with the fallout of it all are going to be far worse and longer lasting that the relatively small effect the actual virus itself has had. A quick couple of points based on personal experience; according to the professionals my wife and I are classed as being of high risk for Covid meaning we are more likely to catch it and have serious issues if we do. So 3 members of my household have recently been tested positive for Covid 19, the time for me and my wife catching it from them has thankfully now passed so we maybe dodged the bullet . However all were tested for work reasons not because they felt unwell. Of the 3 only 1 felt "a bit down" for a few days the others basically couldn't tell they had it. First point - if the virus is so easily transmitted why did only 3 catch it out of the 7 in the household, why aren't my wife and I in ICU? ( not complaining mind!) We didn't know they had it before they were tested so no special precautions were being taken at the time. Second point - The symptoms experienced by my household members were mild or non existent, which seems to account for 99% of cases.

There are a lot of deadly things out there, cars, aeroplanes, fast food, alcohol to name but a few, we don't throw a wobbly and shut down economies for the people who get run over or die of heart disease which by the way far outnumber Covid cases.

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I'm not religious but Lord, give me strength.

Why do people still repeat this tosh? Are they incapable of reading things like "heart disease doesn't infect other people" or do they just plow on with their crazy ideas regardless of information?

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I think he meant that we are still much more likely to die from a non-communicable disease than from COVID.

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For the US leading causes of deaths in 2018 according to the CDC were.

COVID has so far killed 263,639 people in the US.

• Heart disease: 655,381
• Cancer: 599,274
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 167,127
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 159,486
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 147,810
• Alzheimer’s disease: 122,019
• Diabetes: 84,946
• Influenza and pneumonia: 59,120
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,386
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 48,344

I couldn't find anything comparable for Canada, at least not user friendly.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lea...s-of-death.htm

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Deaths from Covid, Canada - 11,521

It took some digging but I finally found something that gives the 'top 10' causes in Canada for 2018.. not as good as your example, but might be useful.
https://www.finder.com/ca/what-are-t...eath-in-canada

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Also whilst many of the things listed are not infectious they are somewhat preventable which of course is also true of COVID. We are trying desperately to prevent as many getting sick and possibly dying with restrictions that are quite harmful to some sectors of society. Are we trying as hard to prevent people dying from these other diseases? And of course in turn relieving the strain on the healthcare system because we all know that for example smoking is the leading cause of lung cancer and the health services around the world are spending millions on treating the disease yet smoking is still happening and now vaping which seemed to suddenly explode onto the market yet we are hearing horror stories of lung damage in young people already! These smokers and or vapers are also of course more likely to suffer much worse should they catch the virus too.

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The problem with the "It's not actually that bad/we should let it run its course/the economic price is not worth paying" arguments are if you don't take action (& why for the love of all thats holy are some parts of Canada still not under mandatory mask polices) then the hospitals fill up & C19 patients start dying in corridors, homes etc. And the people in the healthcare system are put under immense if not impossible strain. At the beginning of this, in the UK there was much made of the WWII analogies - we fought the hun, we can fight covid - building ventilators, more PPE etc etc. All very good but to borrow the WWII analogy from the battle of britain "it's pilots we need, not planes". Nurse & Doctors are not easy to replace when they are burned out, or worse still sick or dying from C19. Running out of Dr's and Nurses (not to mention the other healthcare professionals) has to be a concern as the pandemic continues.

Meanwhile here in Newfoundland, we've popped the Atlantic Bubble for a couple of weeks at least. No quarantine free travel from NS/NB/PEI anymore.

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Wearing a mask and social distancing to protect from COVID should be the same train of thought as diet and exercise is for helping to prevent heart disease.

Having said that, the USA is completely out of control right now and I have a horrible feeling that this virus will run its course and kill many more before everyone is vaccinated. People down there just don't get it. Millions of people are travelling home for thanks giving this week, not a care in the world.

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I just don't understand how a basic health precaution like wearing a mask has become 'you're infringing on my human rights/freedom' for some people. It doesn't make sense, not to me anyway.

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There is a lot of evidence that the 2nd wave is more of a "Covid-lite" than the first wave with hospitalisations and deaths proportionally far less than first time round, maybe the second wave isn't as virulent, maybe the first wave took out the weakest, perhaps we learnt how to treat it it better or probably its a combination of these things.

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Comparing the demographics of Vietnam and the UK in terms of weight, diet and exercise may explain at least part of such a huge discrepancy.

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Maybe it depends where you are, but certainly isn't Covid-lite here in BC, our hospitalizations have been exceeding the numbers from the spring.

Jan 1 to September 30 BC average 26 deaths per month from COVID, if the current trend continues for the next 6 days, October 1 to November 30 will have seen an average of 57 deaths per month from COVID.

The 2nd wave is proving worse than the first wave in the spring so far here in BC, particularly in the lower mainland.

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I guess one bright side is passengers going through TSA checkpoints is still about 50% less than last year, so it could always be worse.

Airlines are in a tough spot, Air Canada is encouraging travel as well through advertising, I think airlines are getting desperate in general.

If the federal government didn't have a moron in charge at the White House things may have been different, while the federal government is somewhat restricted what they can force a state to do, airlines, Amtrak and such are 100% federal control so it would have been within the federal government's powers to place restrictions on airline travel.

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More likely it's mainly the younger generations that are catching it (due to not being able to / want to social distance / wear masks .. and those that are spending more time socialising together / going to college/uni etc.,) and with stronger constitutions their bodies are able to fight it off better so the virus doesn't impact them as badly.

I'm starting to wonder if only people with some symptoms should be counted as 'positive' - while I realise that there are silent carriers (asymptomatic) they are probably few and far between. Let's count those that are ill- those that get a positive result can self quarantine but if they don't become ill, let's not count them in the stats! :)

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Kind of what BC does by default as they really don't test those not showing symptoms.

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Think this may be true of the harder hit first time round areas - as it very much has already took a swing at the most susceptible to the virus - but for many countries that haven't had exposure to Covid - they are not in that boat.

Sounding like a broken record but as I 100% don't trust the figures its hard to know anything for certain relating to whether the virus is or isn't getting less serious - but also makes it very hard for such countries to weigh up the risk and potential death toll of keeping open.

Taking out the mental health aspect of shut downs - although for me that's a bit of a strange one and not directly linked to the situation we are in (not in the sense that I don't believe people suffer with it due to Covid, they definitely do, and support mechanisms don't exist for it - but I'm of the believe that governments world wide should alter the educational piece of mental health and personal development for all, as opposed to focusing on fixing those suffering from it, prevention is better than cure etc. but that was an issue long before Covid) the other argument is purely economical and aside from the ethical issue of looking at it from £/life basis the main issue is not there is less money - purely that the money is being diverted to other people - whether that be mail order companies, amazon etc as opposed to local shops.

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Well looks like they might fair better than us with a vaccine. Story today says we could be last in line and i quote:
A lack of vaccine-production capabilities in Canada means the United States, Britain, Germany and other countries could have some of their citizens inoculated against COVID-19 before Canadians start to get shots, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Tuesday.

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I was always of the opinion Canada would not be first in line, and depending on how the roll out goes in the US, have contemplated going to the US to receive the vaccine if it becomes available there sooner to the general public.

Anyhow BC record high of 941 cases reported today.

10 more deaths.

284 in hospital, up from 198 a week ago.

48 people have died since last Tuesday.

Some reason the mask mandate still doesn't apply to schools.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...2020-1.5814873


And according to the lady at Wal-Mart today, I am a paranoid sheep who should be ashamed. Some crazies out there I tell ya.

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I was somewhat shocked and surprised to learn that Canada did have many years ago vaccine production capabilities but for whatever reasons we now have none and have to rely on other countries to produce vaccines.

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Trudeau said same today. Said he hoped countries would honour their agreement with Canada, but he expects they will give the vaccine to their own people first. That sounded disappointing. Think we may look into either going to the US or UK for the vaccine.

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Burnaby Hospital near Vancouver has stopped accepting most new patients, only ICU, maternity and community palliative care will continue to admit new patients. 55 patients currently have COVID due to an outbreak in the hospital, and 5 have died. Sounds like these patients acquired COVID while in hospital at least some anyhow.

A fire on November 15th contributed to the outbreak getting worse as patients had to be moved around the facility to evacuate the area on fire.

The hospital hopes to reopen the ER in a few days.

It's one of area hospitals that should be replaced, it's old and outdated.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...reak-1.5815156


63% of residents at a care home in Abbotsford have so far since Nov 4 tested positive, currently 67 active cases – 44 residents and 23 staff.

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Well that sucks for us. I guess I'll be buying it on the black market instead.