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Just for clarification for those mentioning border officials in this context it would be Provincial officials and not Federal officials;) There again we get blamed for other stuff we don't deal with like security at airports for domestic and international flights although CATSA has 3 of my Agencies letters in their name so it is easy to get us confused :lol:
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12870541)
Just for clarification for those mentioning border officials in this context it would be Provincial officials and not Federal officials;) There again we get blamed for other stuff we don't deal with like security at airports for domestic and international flights although CATSA has 3 of my Agencies letters in their name so it is easy to get us confused :lol:
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12870541)
Just for clarification for those mentioning border officials in this context it would be Provincial officials and not Federal officials;) There again we get blamed for other stuff we don't deal with like security at airports for domestic and international flights although CATSA has 3 of my Agencies letters in their name so it is easy to get us confused :lol:
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12868532)
No. I have been studying the data rather than listening to the media. Whatever you set the wager at, I'll take the bet.
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Re: Coronavirus
I wonder when the 14 day self-isolation requirement will be partially or fully lifted for Canadians who choose to travel. I don't see the increased risk as long as you are travelling somewhere with LOW covid-19 cases, vs. going out to a store, bar/restaurant or any of the other things that have reopened.
From where I live I can drive to Toronto and do whatever I want then come back but if I go outside the country to a country with low COVID cases, I have to self-isolate upon my return to Canada. It's starting to not make sense. I've reached out to my MP and been searching for info on this but haven't come up with anything concrete re. the government plan on this. I think we will see something soon though, I am getting emails from airlines all planning on resuming services on July 20-23 ish, so that gives me a bit of a hint that there may be some agreements in place by then. |
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To those that act as if coming within 2 metres of someone will cause them to explode. What is your proposed plan? To remain isolated at home until they find a vaccine (bearing in mind there isn't a vaccine for AIDS yet) and to have those that cannot work from home receive funds from the government until then?
Those jurisdictions that have, supposedly, been the ones whose examples others should follows (Germany, South Korea) are now experiencing spikes too. I am genuinely interested. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12870972)
To those that act as if coming within 2 metres of someone will cause them to explode. What is your proposed plan? To remain isolated at home until they find a vaccine (bearing in mind there isn't a vaccine for AIDS yet) and to have those that cannot work from home receive funds from the government until then?
Those jurisdictions that have, supposedly, been the ones whose examples others should follows (Germany, South Korea) are now experiencing spikes too. I am genuinely interested. All I ask is that people just wear a bloody mask and keep the germs to themselves. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 12871014)
All I ask is that people just wear a bloody mask and keep the germs to themselves.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12870972)
To those that act as if coming within 2 metres of someone will cause them to explode. What is your proposed plan? To remain isolated at home until they find a vaccine (bearing in mind there isn't a vaccine for AIDS yet) and to have those that cannot work from home receive funds from the government until then?
Those jurisdictions that have, supposedly, been the ones whose examples others should follows (Germany, South Korea) are now experiencing spikes too. I am genuinely interested. Ultimately it comes down to respecting others' boundaries re their personal risk tolerance. Clearly the risk of overwhelming our healthcare system with ICU cases is now less than we thought it was, so as long as we don't overburden our healthcare system people should be able to go about their business within reason. (I.e. don't be stupid, and wear a mask where necessary/prudent.) |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12871019)
OK. Other than that, everything opens and people return to work?
If I am outside in a small crowd of less than 30, I'm not worried. No mask and not really concerned about being 2m apart. If I am inside, a small shop for example, no mask but I do social distance and turn my head away when social distancing isn't possible, small aisles for example. If I get my haircut or visit the dentist, I will do whatever they tell me to do. No questions asked. I haven't been to a restaurant yet so I'm not sure what I will do there, hopefully sit outside. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12870955)
From where I live I can drive to Toronto and do whatever I want then come back but if I go outside the country to a country with low COVID cases, I have to self-isolate upon my return to Canada. It's starting to not make sense.
It's not really practical go into all that for new arrivals whereas it's quite easy to insist they self-isolate. Unless road blocks and the like are set up, there's little to be done preventing you from travel in your own country or even province. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12871022)
:goodpost: agreed, the world cannot be put on hold forever.
Ultimately it comes down to respecting others' boundaries re their personal risk tolerance. Clearly the risk of overwhelming our healthcare system with ICU cases is now less than we thought it was, so as long as we don't overburden our healthcare system people should be able to go about their business within reason. (I.e. don't be stupid, and wear a mask where necessary/prudent.) But again we never saw super strict lock down or restrictions other places had. BC now is doing the managing game, keep the cases to keep hospitalizations low, as long as we don't see massive increases in new cases/hospitalizations I imagine we will not need to go back to phase 2 or phase 1 restrictions. BC is pushing for longer border closures though, especially with the US, bulk of our early cases are European strain imported from Eastern Canada and strain from US mostly Washington State, so BC government isn't keen on seeing mass influx of travel into BC from outside of BC yet, |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12871064)
This is how I am dealing with it where I live.
If I am outside in a small crowd of less than 30, I'm not worried. No mask and not really concerned about being 2m apart. If I am inside, a small shop for example, no mask but I do social distance and turn my head away when social distancing isn't possible, small aisles for example. If I get my haircut or visit the dentist, I will do whatever they tell me to do. No questions asked. I haven't been to a restaurant yet so I'm not sure what I will do there, hopefully sit outside.
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12871065)
But what if the day before you flew from a low case country you were in a high case country? What if you were exposed to the virus in a low case country? How about all those people at the airport/on the plane that might have been infectious symptomatic or not, from all over, including high case countries.
Mask wearing is mandatory on the plane and in the airport and I would hope I would stay 6ft+ away from other people, I don't have a desire to be near strangers. Risk of coming into contact with someone infectious is the same as walking into a shopping mall to do some non-essential shopping. It's not really practical go into all that for new arrivals whereas it's quite easy to insist they self-isolate. |
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Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12871064)
This is how I am dealing with it where I live.
If I am outside in a small crowd of less than 30, I'm not worried. No mask and not really concerned about being 2m apart. If I am inside, a small shop for example, no mask but I do social distance and turn my head away when social distancing isn't possible, small aisles for example. If I get my haircut or visit the dentist, I will do whatever they tell me to do. No questions asked. I haven't been to a restaurant yet so I'm not sure what I will do there, hopefully sit outside. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12871085)
This is more or less what BC has been doing, the initial restrictions (which were still far less restrictive vs say Ontario, and parts of the US) kept the curve low and to a point where the hospitals were never overwhelmed, and once we had consistent falling of new cases and hospitalizations they started lifting various restrictions, phase 3 will see just about everything else reopened, although I wont be surprised if they keep the cap on gatherings to 50 as we have had some outbreak clusters linked to family gatherings, people tend to not take precautions with their family as they would with strangers.
But again we never saw super strict lock down or restrictions other places had. BC now is doing the managing game, keep the cases to keep hospitalizations low, as long as we don't see massive increases in new cases/hospitalizations I imagine we will not need to go back to phase 2 or phase 1 restrictions. BC is pushing for longer border closures though, especially with the US, bulk of our early cases are European strain imported from Eastern Canada and strain from US mostly Washington State, so BC government isn't keen on seeing mass influx of travel into BC from outside of BC yet, |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12870972)
To those that act as if coming within 2 metres of someone will cause them to explode. What is your proposed plan? To remain isolated at home until they find a vaccine (bearing in mind there isn't a vaccine for AIDS yet) and to have those that cannot work from home receive funds from the government until then?
Those jurisdictions that have, supposedly, been the ones whose examples others should follows (Germany, South Korea) are now experiencing spikes too. I am genuinely interested. Coronavirus is moderately infectious, less than measles, but more than the seasonal flu. If I were under 30, I might be a bit more flippant about it, but with age comes wisdom. Generally, speaking. South Korea and Germany have advanced testing and tracing regimes, and are not averse to wearing masks. Direct comparisons are false comfort. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12871103)
It's not so much exploding I'm worried about as being stuck on a ventilator for a month, and possible death. I find that something of a disincentive.
Coronavirus is moderately infectious, less than measles, but more than the seasonal flu. If I were under 30, I might be a bit more flippant about it, but with age comes wisdom. Generally, speaking. South Korea and Germany have advanced testing and tracing regimes, and are not averse to wearing masks. Direct comparisons are false comfort. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12871064)
This is how I am dealing with it where I live.
If I am outside in a small crowd of less than 30, I'm not worried. No mask and not really concerned about being 2m apart. If I am inside, a small shop for example, no mask but I do social distance and turn my head away when social distancing isn't possible, small aisles for example. If I get my haircut or visit the dentist, I will do whatever they tell me to do. No questions asked. I haven't been to a restaurant yet so I'm not sure what I will do there, hopefully sit outside. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 12871114)
there is also growing concern about the permanent damage it is doing to the lungs to consider...in both the young and old.
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12871087)
..... I try to wear one in Wal-Mart and Super Store, on a typical day day when we are there picking orders its not possible to social distance, people don't care and nobody follows the arrows on the floor, its the wild wild west.
Lowe's isn't much better and I try to only go there in the morning or the evening or late afternoon, after the pros have been and gone early in the morning, and before or after the peak retail traffic. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 12871120)
Don't be such a pessimist, that's only if the damage to the heart, liver, or kidneys doesn't kill them. It isn't certain the lung damage will kill them. I've had chemical burns to my lungs, lead poisoning, plus all the usual acquired and inherited heart, stroke, and cancer threats. As before, I put on the mask before going into the store and remove it after, and sanitize on the ways in and out. If I go visit my frail old sister in BC I'll have to quarantine for a while just in case.
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Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12871064)
This is how I am dealing with it where I live.
If I am outside in a small crowd of less than 30, I'm not worried. No mask and not really concerned about being 2m apart. If I am inside, a small shop for example, no mask but I do social distance and turn my head away when social distancing isn't possible, small aisles for example. If I get my haircut or visit the dentist, I will do whatever they tell me to do. No questions asked. I haven't been to a restaurant yet so I'm not sure what I will do there, hopefully sit outside. I have been to restaurants, both when they were limited to 50% capacity and since that has been raised to 100%. Someone has to keep these business going. |
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Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12871064)
..... If I am outside in a small crowd of less than 30, I'm not worried. No mask and not really concerned about being 2m apart.
If I am inside, a small shop for example, no mask but I do social distance and turn my head away when social distancing isn't possible, small aisles for example. If I get my haircut or visit the dentist, I will do whatever they tell me to do. No questions asked. .....
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12871087)
I wear a mask when the business requires it, .....
Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd
(Post 12871119)
..... went to opticians last week, was asked to wear a mask, so I did. .....
From my perspective I try to avoid being anywhere near someone (in a grocery, or occasionally Lowe's, as those are about the only places I go at the moment) who isn't wearing a mask - i.e. not "as close as 6ft", I mean avoid them entirely, so not enter an aisle where I see someone without a mask, and usually walk away from if I see them coming towards me, and never loiter anywhere near them even if that means I have to circle back later. Non-mask weares are obviously unconcerned and therefore IMO are at a much greater risk of catching/ carrying the disease. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 12871124)
I didn’t say lung damage would kill...I said it was permanent.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12871103)
It's not so much exploding I'm worried about as being stuck on a ventilator for a month, and possible death. I find that something of a disincentive.
Coronavirus is moderately infectious, less than measles, but more than the seasonal flu. If I were under 30, I might be a bit more flippant about it, but with age comes wisdom. Generally, speaking. South Korea and Germany have advanced testing and tracing regimes, and are not averse to wearing masks. Direct comparisons are false comfort. It appears to be deadly to a very low percentage of populations and, once it all shakes out the various lockdowns will be deemed to have been inappropriate by the vast majority of the world's citizens. I am not one that subscribes to the whole "Saving one life is worth any economic sacrifice" version. I appreciate that others may disagree. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12871127)
. Non-mask weares are obviously unconcerned and therefore IMO are at a much greater risk of catching/ carrying the disease.
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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 12871114)
there is also growing concern about the permanent damage it is doing to the lungs to consider...in both the young and old.
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Wal Mart has the self check out cashier approaching everyone to ask about applying for the Wal Mart master card and buy they won't take no for an answer.
Most of the store visits are for online app deliveries otherwise I would avoid the stores but one has to earn income somehow and right now shopping for these apps is quickest way to some income. Stores could do more but of course they don't want to hire enough staff to direct customers and as you say often the store workers are just as bad if not worse than customers. But it's not spreading quickly as it was and I was surprised the various protests over the last month here didn't lead to a spike. We seem to be averaging around 10 new cases per day give or take and under 200 total active cases, few in hospital but time will tell. The focus as far as I can tell for restrictions in BC wasn't so much to save lives but to just keep hospitals from ending up like NYC or Italy. I also think having a consistent message in BC from one person and politicians largely stepping back and letting the health officials do their jobs played a role and some luck, our spring break is later vs back east and as soon as BC saw a spike the government took action. That early action likely kept the spread low.
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12871122)
Agreed, which is why I have only been there once since mid March. It was an utter shambles, and not only for the actions of the public - one employee approached me unannounced and stood by my shoulder :frown: - I was at a self scan kiosk and she had decided that I needed assistance.
Lowe's isn't much better and I try to only go there in the morning or the evening or late afternoon, after the pros have been and gone early in the morning, and before or after the peak retail traffic. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12871130)
I haven't made direct comparisons and I anticipate that, unless a vaccine is found soon, all jurisdictions will end up with similar numbers, once age of citizens, health of citizens, density of population, climate, etc, is all accounted for.
It appears to be deadly to a very low percentage of populations and, once it all shakes out the various lockdowns will be deemed to have been inappropriate by the vast majority of the world's citizens. I am not one that subscribes to the whole "Saving one life is worth any economic sacrifice" version. I appreciate that others may disagree. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 12871086)
CBSA officer would ask you when you left the country and which countries you travelled to, and if necessary look up passport records - you would declare to the officer you had been in a country with high cases and they would tell you to self-isolate.
i'd disagree with that given the fact that i'm sure CBSA can swipe your passport and see everywhere your passport has been swiped, plus all the electronic databases available they should be able to figure it out I would hope I would stay 6ft+ away from other people, I don't have a desire to be near strangers. Risk of coming into contact with someone infectious is the same as walking into a shopping mall to do some non-essential shopping.
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12871103)
It's not so much exploding I'm worried about as being stuck on a ventilator for a month, and possible death. I find that something of a disincentive.
Coronavirus is moderately infectious, less than measles, but more than the seasonal flu. If I were under 30, I might be a bit more flippant about it, but with age comes wisdom. Generally, speaking. I have two mothers both in their 80s and at risk. One, my MIL, lives with someone else at risk (me) and a granddaughter who works customer facing retail. The other, with some mobility issues, lives with a grandson who runs a shop. I don't believe households like this are unusual. How do you keep the at risk safe in a house with shared areas, appliances and gadgets if the healthy ones are encouraged to get infected? |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12871103)
It's not so much exploding I'm worried about as being stuck on a ventilator for a month, and possible death. I find that something of a disincentive.
Coronavirus is moderately infectious, less than measles, but more than the seasonal flu. If I were under 30, I might be a bit more flippant about it, but with age comes wisdom. Generally, speaking. South Korea and Germany have advanced testing and tracing regimes, and are not averse to wearing masks. Direct comparisons are false comfort. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12871143)
If I lived in Miami I would be concerned and I would wear a mask, but my province has a population of 5m and there are 16 new cases. I may change my mind if the cases start sky rocketing, but until then, I can be careful without a mask.
Unfortunately when you know the numbers have rocketed, it happened several days ago. Here, we went 2 weeks with no new cases and only 120 altogether. Then there was one and then another 17 days (I think) with no more. There were no active cases, 100% recoveries and no deaths. Then it emerged that someone failed to self isolate when he should have done (and there's a lot more to the story) upon return to the province, he has tested positive and is directly linked to around 40 other cases, which was a third of the total we'd had to that point. Fortunately (but not for those living there) this has been confined to a small area with a population of around 6,000. What if it had happened at the southern border of the province instead and the infected individual went to work for two weeks in a city with a population of 144,000? It's quite scary. |
Re: Coronavirus
Some people watch far too many TV programmes and have these ideas that UK/US/CBSA/Australian or any other countries Border officers simply scan a passport and voila we know everything about the person in front of us or if at a kiosk that also knows about you. In my 30 plus years I cannot recall anyone ever being dishonest with me or telling a white lie or a whopper.
I know Jerseygirl had strawberry jam on her bagel this morning, Shard had 1 sugar in his coffee and added Soy milk. Bristol UK had 2 x rashers of bacon on his breakfast plate and that Gozit still has a lot to learn in life. I haven't got around to all the other posters yet. OMG (nameless poster) you did that last night in bed you seriously need help.:lol: |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12871203)
I know Jerseygirl had strawberry jam on her bagel this morning, Shard had 1 sugar in his coffee and added Soy milk. Bristol UK had 2 x rashers of bacon on his breakfast plate
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12871167)
One life? Is that how many that have been lost in Canada? Or the USA? I understand economic imperatives, but if (and it's not that big of an if) the virus knocks out a large portion of the population, there will be no economy? Britain took a very laissez faire approach in the first weeks of March, insisting on the economic priorities, and look at how the spread of the virus has eneded up having a much greater impact than if a strict lockdown was introduced from the start. If the argument is an acceptable mortality rate, then that should be discussed in the public domain. How many Covid related deaths are we willing to endure for varying degrees of economic freedom? It's not one death, it's hundreds or even thousands. By way of analogy, imagine a new chemical plant was to be built, but it was likely to kill hundreds of residents due to some uncontrollable toxicity? Would there not be a massive debate and public analysis on whether that plant should be opened?
Jurisdictions cannot afford to keep paying money to those that can't work while not receiving their taxes. So, if we cannot return to normal until a vaccine is obtained, i don't believe societies will survive. Those that are advocating for such restrictions are not surviving on $2,000 a month. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12871198)
it's quite scary
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12871203)
Some people watch far too many TV programmes and have these ideas that UK/US/CBSA/Australian or any other countries Border officers simply scan a passport and voila we know everything about the person in front of us or if at a kiosk that also knows about you. In my 30 plus years I cannot recall anyone ever being dishonest with me or telling a white lie or a whopper.
I know Jerseygirl had strawberry jam on her bagel this morning, Shard had 1 sugar in his coffee and added Soy milk. Bristol UK had 2 x rashers of bacon on his breakfast plate and that Gozit still has a lot to learn in life. I haven't got around to all the other posters yet. OMG (nameless poster) you did that last night in bed you seriously need help.:lol: |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12871167)
One life? Is that how many that have been lost in Canada? Or the USA?....
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