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500+ cases here yesterday. Now into tighter lockdown ("steady 10" people bubbles etc). Chief Medical Officer of Health struck a different tone yesterday - "We're all going to get covid with this variant, it's flattening the curve so that we don't overwhelm the healthcare system that is the thing". Still only 1 person in hospital which is a good sign. Lots of healthcare workers (600+) out sick or isolating. Contact tracing overwhelmed. Leadtime for C19 test and results 3-5 days. Schools online as of today. Welcome to 2022, feels like 2020.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 13086126)
500+ cases here yesterday. Now into tighter lockdown ("steady 10" people bubbles etc). Chief Medical Officer of Health struck a different tone yesterday - "We're all going to get covid with this variant, it's flattening the curve so that we don't overwhelm the healthcare system that is the thing". Still only 1 person in hospital which is a good sign. Lots of healthcare workers (600+) out sick or isolating. Contact tracing overwhelmed. Leadtime for C19 test and results 3-5 days. Schools online as of today. Welcome to 2022, feels like 2020.
It's been a while since I've heard "flattening the curve" was just thinking about it a few days ago. That's precisely what the current objective should be. The big plus on 2020 is vaccines (and a known, milder variant). I am hoping that by March we'll see the tail end of this. At least a downgrade from pandemic to endemic. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 13086126)
500+ cases here yesterday. Now into tighter lockdown ("steady 10" people bubbles etc). Chief Medical Officer of Health struck a different tone yesterday - "We're all going to get covid with this variant, it's flattening the curve so that we don't overwhelm the healthcare system that is the thing". Still only 1 person in hospital which is a good sign. Lots of healthcare workers (600+) out sick or isolating. Contact tracing overwhelmed. Leadtime for C19 test and results 3-5 days. Schools online as of today. Welcome to 2022, feels like 2020.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 13086026)
Yes, I came across something like that while looking. Once it becomes a concern there are already significant numbers of cases of the new one so we're back to my questioning the lack of concern about a variant of concern developing while spreading is practically encouraged.
One other odd thing to go with that... Lots of talk now about "needing" N95 masks or doubling up because masks "may not be protecting the wearer as much as thought." So what is it now then, completely forgetting all that time advising us it was the wearer protecting others? :frown: If you just throw a mask on without checking how it fits and adjusting it properly, it's not likely to be protecting you very well, and it may not even be protecting others properly if you are breathing "around" the mask.
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 13086136)
I have just said it feels like January 2021 to my sister in the UK. She said everyone there (Cheshire) is carrying on as normal apart from mask wearing. Several of her friends are on holiday overseas.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Gozit
(Post 13086151)
Masks *can* protect the wearer as well. It depends on material used in the mask, and most importantly how well it fits.
But for "Regular" Covid it's always been about preventing or reducing the spread of people passing it on rather than receiving it. Kind of summarised as wearing one might reduce your own chances of getting covid by about 5% while wearing them reduces the chance of you passing it to others by about 95% and everyone benefiting. I'm making those percentages up to emphasise the differences between expelling the virus out and breathing it in.. Wearing a mask protects others was the way it was put. I suppose, given the nature of Omicron, it would now be reasonable to say "this is is different, so a different approach is needed for masks" but the way it's being talked about now it just comes across as if there was a change of mind or mixed messaging. |
Re: Coronavirus
@BristolUK I agree, it sounds like a change of mind.
To be blunt, I feel that the message is carry on, and spread this variant around as much as possible. IDK what else to think really? What else follows logically? We are not locking down here, just asked to work from home 3 days. Schools open, a few more masks being worn, otherwise, nothing. Only vaxed people are allowed out. Other than that everybody is just doing whateverr. I'm in North West coastal France, 91% vaxed here so they say. Still, the cases are over 200,000 a day usually atm. A lot! |
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Originally Posted by Nand
(Post 13086185)
@BristolUK I agree, it sounds like a change of mind.
To be blunt, I feel that the message is carry on, and spread this variant around as much as possible. IDK what else to think really? What else follows logically? We are not locking down here, just asked to work from home 3 days. Schools open, a few more masks being worn, otherwise, nothing. Only vaxed people are allowed out. Other than that everybody is just doing whateverr. I'm in North West coastal France, 91% vaxed here so they say. Still, the cases are over 200,000 a day usually atm. A lot! I'm getting a little tired of "We don't have enough hospital beds, we're adding more" ... reports from people in healthcare show this is not true, Ford has received $$$$$ from the federal government for covid. He hasn't passed it on to small businesses forced to close, individuals losing income as a result of his shutdowns, etc, the least he could have done is put it towards the healthcare system and adding more capacity so we don't have to shut down. But no instead we are spending money on useless HEPA filters for schools that the staff don't know how to install so are sitting unused. |
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UK today:
218K/14K/48 cases/hospital/deaths |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 13086196)
UK today:
218K/14K/48 cases/hospital/deaths |
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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 13086199)
How are people coping in your part of the UK? Is it pretty much ‘carry on as normal’?
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Re: Coronavirus
And in BC finally Bonnie Henry comes round to the fact that she aint going to solve this with better masks or reduced capacity and i quote from todays update:During a news conference Tuesday, provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said she is trying to get out of the business of issuing public health orders to manage the pandemic.
“I do think it is over to the [private] sector,” to mitigate certain risks associated with the pandemic, Henry said, explaining many vaccinated people will likely contract a mild form of the virus in the coming weeks. Most vaccinated people will be protected from serious illness or hospitalizations, she said. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by printer
(Post 13086227)
And in BC finally Bonnie Henry comes round to the fact that she aint going to solve this with better masks or reduced capacity and i quote from todays update:During a news conference Tuesday, provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said she is trying to get out of the business of issuing public health orders to manage the pandemic.
“I do think it is over to the [private] sector,” to mitigate certain risks associated with the pandemic, Henry said, explaining many vaccinated people will likely contract a mild form of the virus in the coming weeks. Most vaccinated people will be protected from serious illness or hospitalizations, she said. Hmm... funny how the media in general are just cottoning on to that too.... seems they have wrung their hands and frothed as much as they can, and finally accepted its a massive over reaction to the level of threat present. If your fully vaccinated chances are, its going to be no more than a cold, if this is the case lets form herd immunity and move on! and stop wrecking business's |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 13086164)
Yes, sure.
But for "Regular" Covid it's always been about preventing or reducing the spread of people passing it on rather than receiving it. Kind of summarised as wearing one might reduce your own chances of getting covid by about 5% while wearing them reduces the chance of you passing it to others by about 95% and everyone benefiting. I'm making those percentages up to emphasise the differences between expelling the virus out and breathing it in.. Wearing a mask protects others was the way it was put. I suppose, given the nature of Omicron, it would now be reasonable to say "this is is different, so a different approach is needed for masks" but the way it's being talked about now it just comes across as if there was a change of mind or mixed messaging. |
Re: Coronavirus
I tested positive on Monday. Also mild symptoms. Runny and stuffy nose, heavy cough and sore throat. Feeling 90% better today.
I went to the drive-in at my primary doctor's office for the test. You tell them you are there and which # parking space you are in and they come out and do the test after they print out your paperwork from their computer records. About 40 minutes later they are back with the results. In lower New York State, one school district is back to virtual school as so many teachers and school workers have called in sick. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Rete
(Post 13086385)
I tested positive on Monday. Also mild symptoms. Runny and stuffy nose, heavy cough and sore throat. Feeling 90% better today.
I went to the drive-in at my primary doctor's office for the test. You tell them you are there and which # parking space you are in and they come out and do the test after they print out your paperwork from their computer records. About 40 minutes later they are back with the results. In lower New York State, one school district is back to virtual school as so many teachers and school workers have called in sick. I agreed with shutting the world down for the first strain in early 2020 before the vaccine was introduced and people were suffocating to death, but not for this milder variant. The fear right now in BC is not from high cases or hospitalizations or even deaths, but from a third of the workforce calling in sick at the same time. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 13086411)
Look on the bright side, you had omicron with mild symptoms and now you have strong natural immunity. :thumbsup:
I agreed with shutting the world down for the first strain in early 2020 before the vaccine was introduced and people were suffocating to death, but not for this milder variant. The fear right now in BC is not from high cases or hospitalizations or even deaths, but from a third of the workforce calling in sick at the same time. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 13086426)
23 UK hospitals declared "critical incidents" today (signal of minimal extra capacity). Not a good week if someone is planning a heart attack !
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 13086434)
All depends what the media want you to believe, this twitter thread has some very interesting graphs regarding UK cases.
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...646166019?s=20 |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 13086436)
I'm just quoting one of the senior NHS people who was on Channel 4 News tonight. If hospitals are declaring critical incidents it's a real world signal (beyond graphs) that the system is under strain.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 13086440)
I wonder if that is from the lack of NHS staff due to sickness , or more patients being admitted due to COVID? Either way it’s an awful situation to be in.
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And then there is Flurona.
https://www.nationalworld.com/health...ariant-3512540 |
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Anyone fancy a sportsman's bet with me that Omicron will be the variant that turns this 2 year pandemic to an endemic?
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 13086754)
Anyone fancy a sportsman's bet with me that Omicron will be the variant that turns this 2 year pandemic to an endemic?
Having said that, I do hope we will be in endemic post-Omicron, and that will be in early 2022. Endemic implies the virus is prevalent in some parts of the world and not in others. If vaccination efficacy is very high, we developed countries might well be safe (in the short term). What's critical is to start allowing lesser developed countries to produce the vaccine license free. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 13087143)
Having said that, I do hope we will be in endemic post-Omicron, and that will be in early 2022. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...finds-12512900 |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 13087271)
Too early to tell, but apparently the common cold may also help protect against COVID. I hope so because my nose is like a tap right now, I bloody hate colds.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...finds-12512900 |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 13087271)
Too early to tell, but apparently the common cold may also help protect against COVID. I hope so because my nose is like a tap right now, I bloody hate colds.
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 13087295)
Let's hope something like that does emerge to totally subdue COVID. Good luck with the cold you have.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 13087311)
It worked against the invading aliens in WOTW. :lol:
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 13087321)
So it did ! Ulllaaaa
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 13087375)
No one would have believed…
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 13087391)
... in the last years of the 19th century, that human affairs were being watched from the timeless worlds of space.
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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd
(Post 13087434)
...and yet across the gulf of the globe a virus with a mind immeasurably superior to ours, quickly drew its plans against us....
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 13087448)
Almost ! But as it's from memory, and likely decades back memory, well done !!
Anyway we shall see if ol' covid sucumbs to the same fate as the Martians.... my feeling is it will... but we will always have non threatening Martians hanging around.... with a decidedly less exalted Ulllaaaa. if you know what I mean! |
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Unvaccinated Quebecers without medical exemptions will have to pay if they don't get 1st dose soon :lol:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ebec-1.6311054 |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd
(Post 13087478)
Yes it was from memory and tailored to suit our predicament. ;). I remember a lot of it....still listen to it now from time to time.....one of my all time favourite albums. :) pretty much unheard of here in Canada.
Anyway we shall see if ol' covid sucumbs to the same fate as the Martians.... my feeling is it will... but we will always have non threatening Martians hanging around.... with a decidedly less exalted Ulllaaaa. if you know what I mean! That soundtrack used to give me the heebie jeebies when I was a kid. |
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Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 13087518)
Unvaccinated Quebecers without medical exemptions will have to pay if they don't get 1st dose soon :lol:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ebec-1.6311054 |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 13087518)
Unvaccinated Quebecers without medical exemptions will have to pay if they don't get 1st dose soon :lol:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ebec-1.6311054 Oh that's so wrong for many reasons. It smacks of insurance that won't cover pre existing conditions, or paying more if you have a genetic predisposition to certain illnesses. What about charging more for those who do dangerous sports, or ski, or ride horses, or smoke, or drink? No, it's completely against the notion of equal access to health care. |
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Originally Posted by bats
(Post 13087547)
Oh that's so wrong for many reasons. It smacks of insurance that won't cover pre existing conditions, or paying more if you have a genetic predisposition to certain illnesses. What about charging more for those who do dangerous sports, or ski, or ride horses, or smoke, or drink? No, it's completely against the notion of equal access to health care.
P.S. They do charge extra taxes for smoking and drinking. |
Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by Tirytory
(Post 13087536)
That soundtrack used to give me the heebie jeebies when I was a kid.
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Re: Coronavirus
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 13087547)
Oh that's so wrong for many reasons. It smacks of insurance that won't cover pre existing conditions, or paying more if you have a genetic predisposition to certain illnesses. What about charging more for those who do dangerous sports, or ski, or ride horses, or smoke, or drink? No, it's completely against the notion of equal access to health care.
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