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Old Nov 22nd 2023, 6:42 am
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Originally Posted by Lou71
Fred, am I right in thinking Gibraltarians just wave their ID cards?
No they have to also present their passports along with a Red ID card which requires 10 years residency to become effective.
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Old Nov 22nd 2023, 6:47 am
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Tuesday evening has seen another long queue at the frontier for motorbikes leaving Gibraltar to cross into Spain.

Images taken by GBC at around 6pm showed there were no cars in the queue at the time, although motorcyclists spanned the entire length of the loop.

Monday saw similar scenes when waiting times were reportedly up to ninety minutes. On Tuesday evening, GBC understands the bikes moved along faster, taking between twenty to thirty minutes to cross.

In answer to questions, the Government said the application of the Schengen Border Code to non-Gibraltarians is causing build ups at different times. However, it points out the successful negotiation of a treaty will resolve this all round.

I believe the Government is using it's Rose Tinted glasses yet again.
Do they not remember that the worst/longest queues we had were before Brexit when Gib along with the UK was part of the EU.

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Old Nov 22nd 2023, 6:58 am
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Gibraltar has recorded 382 Spanish 'incursions' into British territorial waters this year. From Jan 1st to 16th Oct.

From numerous sources
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Old Nov 22nd 2023, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
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Tuesday evening has seen another long queue at the frontier for motorbikes leaving Gibraltar to cross into Spain.

Images taken by GBC at around 6pm showed there were no cars in the queue at the time, although motorcyclists spanned the entire length of the loop.

Monday saw similar scenes when waiting times were reportedly up to ninety minutes. On Tuesday evening, GBC understands the bikes moved along faster, taking between twenty to thirty minutes to cross.

In answer to questions, the Government said the application of the Schengen Border Code to non-Gibraltarians is causing build ups at different times. However, it points out the successful negotiation of a treaty will resolve this all round.

I believe the Government is using it's Rose Tinted glasses yet again.
Do they not remember that the worst/longest queues we had were before Brexit when Gib along with the UK was part of the EU.
As pointed out to you on numerous previous occasions, Gib was never a member of the Schengen Area.

When it is, all controls on persons will be confined to the external border, and the internal land border between Gib and Spain will be open (ie to all intents and purposes non-existent).

I'm sure you've seen other internal Schengen borders with Spain at work in your travels. When crossing between Spain and Portugal, for example.
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Of course all these problems can be resolved simply by handing Gibraltar back to Spain and then Mr Bargate can live in one happy EU family
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Carry on being sceptical and burying your head in the sand.
It's not about having my head in the sand, it's about knowing the difference between facts, half truths and hearsay. If this was a real problem that affected multiple people through no fault of their own, there would be some official report of it and talks between the respective officials in Gib and Spain.
I also have a different experience to most people in the queue as my ID is different to the standard ID card but it's easily fixed by presenting the correct documents at the right time and by politely explaining why you are presenting these documents instead of being awkward and barking your perceived rights to the border official. I'm not suggesting this is what has happened, but I've seen people doing the same and wondering why they are given a hard time.
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
So you are content that the authorities of your country of residence treats it's neighbours and tourists in the way described above?
Yes, Spanish authorities have always been friendly and professional to visitors.

Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Can Uk citizens tour Spain with no prebooked accommodation or is this only being policed at the Gibraltar frontier.
Just a Gibraltar thing. People coming into places like the Canary Islands just get a stamp with no questions asked.

In fact Spain goes above and beyond to help out British tourists. So much so in fact that if you look at the official statistics it appears they have never expelled a single UK citizen for overstaying for instance. And I'm sure there are absolutely TONS of those around...
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Old Nov 22nd 2023, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Gibraltar has recorded 382 Spanish 'incursions' into British territorial waters this year. From Jan 1st to 16th Oct.
Well if Gibraltar draws a line and says "everything up to here is ours" and Spain doesn't recognise it, what Gibraltar calls an incursion is what Spain calls a boat going about its business. This is par for the course on any disputed border on land or in the sea.
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Lets see what this new Argentinian leader does about the Maldives...

That might determine the "rocks" existence as brit or Spanish....
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Old Nov 23rd 2023, 4:44 am
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Well if Gibraltar draws a line and says "everything up to here is ours" and Spain doesn't recognise it, what Gibraltar calls an incursion is what Spain calls a boat going about its business. This is par for the course on any disputed border on land or in the sea.
Under International Maritime Law (and common courtesy) vessels entering another country's territorial waters are required to inform that country of their intentions.
The UK files a complaint with Spain on each of these incursions.
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Originally Posted by astera
Yes, Spanish authorities have always been friendly and professional to visitors.



Just a Gibraltar thing. People coming into places like the Canary Islands just get a stamp with no questions asked.

In fact Spain goes above and beyond to help out British tourists.
But do all they can to dissrupt freedom of travel at the Gibraltar border.


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Originally Posted by astera
Yes, Spanish authorities have always been friendly and professional to visitors.

Just a Gibraltar thing. People coming into places like the Canary Islands just get a stamp with no questions asked.

In fact Spain goes above and beyond to help out British tourists.
Well can you let thousands of Spanish nationals know this.
After all the thousands of motorcyclists delayed at the frontier on Monday afternoon were predominately Spaniards returning home from their work in Gibraltar.

Yes this is JUST A GIBRALTAR THING!
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Originally Posted by Listen Very Carefully
Of course all these problems can be resolved simply by handing Gibraltar back to Spain and then Mr Bargate can live in one happy EU family
Would you also like to see the Ukraine handed over to Russia?
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Originally Posted by astera
Yes, Spanish authorities have always been friendly and professional to visitors.



Just a Gibraltar thing. People coming into places like the Canary Islands just get a stamp with no questions asked.
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11/22/23, 7:45 AM By Canarian Weekly
Brits travelling to the
Canary Islands have encountered long waits during passport checks, prompting concerns and complaints from UK holidaymakers who find themselves enduring extensive queues.


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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Under International Maritime Law (and common courtesy) vessels entering another country's territorial waters are required to inform that country of their intentions.
But Spain does not recognise Gibraltar's territorial claim (or the claim made by the UK on Gibraltar's behalf).

The UK files a complaint with Spain on each of these incursions.
I'm sure each complaint is carefully stored in the round filing cabinet.
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