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Old Jan 8th 2021, 9:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Gibraltar is not in the Schengen area
It is according to this article. so why the difference between your (unsubstantiated) information and this?

https://www.etias.info/gibraltar-joi...-after-brexit/
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I have heard that although a basic agreement has been reached between UK (also representing Gibraltar) and Spain over Gibraltar's entry into the Schengen area, it is subject to approval by the EU (which controls Schengen), and this is expected later in the year.
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Thank you Joppa

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It must be a problem with your system. I get to it OK with Google Chrome.
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It's malwarebytes that is blocking it
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Yes sometimes MWB is over fussy. A lot of totally legit, often government, sites throw up this sort of warning.
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Youtube showing the arrival of the first ferry from Algeciras in terrible weather. This ferry will run six days a week allowing commercial imports available six times a week as against only five days when the commercial frontier is open.

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate

No longer will the expats up the coast be able to shop here for their bacon and cheese etc.
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Why not if it has been correctly imported into the Schengen area?
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Gibraltar is not in the Schengen area
a) Why won't expats up the coast be able to shop in Gib for their bacon and cheese etc.?

b) What has any of this got to do with Schengen?
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Si it is explained here :-
https://www.yourgibraltartv.com/soci...umption-or-use
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Ah - OK Fred - nowt to do with Schengen then - that had me confused..
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Hi Si
It would appear that next Christmas for expats living in the EU it will be Port and no Stilton no Melton Mowbray pork pies, no Cornish Pasties or Greggs sausage rolls, no proper bacon for breakfast.
Also no Haggis for the New Year, etc.

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There seems there could be light at the end of the tunnel if the EU shows some sense - there again it hasn’t happened so far. “The Government is presently in discussions with Spain and the United Kingdom to discuss certain transitional or “bridging” measures which could be introduced whilst negotiations for an agreement on Gibraltar’s future relationship with the EU continue. As part of these discussions, it is possible that these issues with respect to goods that are intended for personal consumption or use could be tackled.”
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An article in today's El Pais about the draft agreement regarding Gibraltar:-

https://elpais.com/espana/2021-01-10...gibraltar.html

If approved, what will this mean for customs control between Gibraltar and Spain? The article makes no mention of Customs, only on the need for taxes on "sensitive" products ie tobacco, alcohol and fuel.

I would think it will have a signifcant effect on the takings of shops in Gibraltar, Morrisons in particular, if people living in Spain don't bother going to Gibraltar to shop because they aren't allowed to bring back many products. I used to go myself once or twice a year, but some people go on coach trips every month. It won't really bother me if we can't go in the future - this Christmas my husband's Stilton came from Lidl and it was fine, there's a British-owned butcher's shop not far away who make their own sausages (more expensive than Morrisons but not when the cost of getting to Gibraltar is taken into account), I prefer Spanish La Selva smoked bacon to the British stuff which leaches nasty white liquid when cooked, and I wouldn't eat a Greggs sausage roll if they paid me. We have a British owned grocery store down the coast in Torrox Costa which started doing home deliveries during the first lockdown, and they have done very well, so much so that they have expanded their premises and carry many more product lines, so I expect if people won't be going to Gibraltar to shop in the future they'll continue to reap the benefit.
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I would think it will have a significant effect on the takings of shops in Gibraltar, Morrisons in particular, if people living in Spain don't bother going to Gibraltar to shop because they aren't allowed to bring back many products. I used to go myself once or twice a year, but some people go on coach trips every month. It won't really bother me if we can't go in the future - this Christmas my husband's Stilton came from Lidl and it was fine, there's a British-owned butcher's shop not far away who make their own sausages (more expensive than Morrisons but not when the cost of getting to Gibraltar is taken into account), I prefer Spanish La Selva smoked bacon to the British stuff which leaches nasty white liquid when cooked, and I wouldn't eat a Greggs sausage roll if they paid me. We have a British owned grocery store down the coast in Torrox Costa which started doing home deliveries during the first lockdown, and they have done very well, so much so that they have expanded their premises and carry many more product lines, so I expect if people won't be going to Gibraltar to shop in the future they'll continue to reap the benefit.
I was talking to a local British shopkeeper and he was quite pessimistic. It will be more difficult, he said, to import fresh food because of the customs delay and extra charge being levied by hauliers to compensate for increased paperwork, and ban on animal-based products including dairies will hit the best-selling lines. I for one am not too bothered, like you, as I am happy to eat Spanish and continental products generally, provided I can get certain seasonal products like cranberry sauce.
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Unión aduanera. El futuro tratado incluirá una “solución a la medida”, basada en la adaptación a Gibraltar de la unión aduanera de la UE, de la que hasta ahora estaba excluida. Se eliminarán, por innecesarios, los controles aduaneros en la Verja pero “serán necesarias medidas que eviten distorsiones en el mercado interior, especialmente en la economía de la región” vecina, Andalucía. Para ello, Gibraltar deberá aplicar “en lo sustancial” los mismos aranceles y política comercial que la UE, lo que incluye derechos aduaneros, IVA, prohibiciones y restricciones por razones de seguridad; así como facilitar a la Unión estadísticas fiables sobre sus importaciones de bienes.
Looks like it's an even closer agreement than what e.g. Andorra has and the border/customs problem is pushed back up to GB, i.e. there would be similar problems putting stuff on a boat and going to Gib as there currently are going to NI.

Is it me or is Brexit is having the opposite effect to what was intended?
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