How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Jun 14th 2003, 8:59 pm
#151
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
In article , Mxsmanic
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>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>> In the private sector, if you REALLY object to being
>> sent wherever, you can find another job with another
>> company (without uprooting your family to another city).
>> If you are a school teacher, you work for the school
>> system ...
>Only if you want to. There are private schools, too, even in France.
This really is nit-picking. You always change the basis of the argument
if you esteem that you are losing it.
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writes
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>> In the private sector, if you REALLY object to being
>> sent wherever, you can find another job with another
>> company (without uprooting your family to another city).
>> If you are a school teacher, you work for the school
>> system ...
>Only if you want to. There are private schools, too, even in France.
This really is nit-picking. You always change the basis of the argument
if you esteem that you are losing it.
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Jun 14th 2003, 9:17 pm
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:25:24 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
>Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> Marie Lewis writes:
>>
>> > But they have terrible working practices where they
>> > more or less have to work where they are sent.
>>
>> Like the rest of the working world, you mean?
>No, not quite. In the private sector, if you REALLY object to being
>sent wherever,
And you can as a teacher, it may not be within the same profession
(although as mxsmanic notes there are private shools) but that's just
the same for others, and teaching skills are reasonably transferable
to other jobs, they are at least highly educated people.
>you can find another job with another company (without
>uprooting your family to another city).
Only if there's an appropriate job in an appropriate location
available, not every profession is like teaching with posts all over
the country (I imagine most of the meteorologists in the UK are
employed by one employer, who's in the process of moving across the
country, do you think those employees have that much more option than
teachers?
Jim.
wrote:
>Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> Marie Lewis writes:
>>
>> > But they have terrible working practices where they
>> > more or less have to work where they are sent.
>>
>> Like the rest of the working world, you mean?
>No, not quite. In the private sector, if you REALLY object to being
>sent wherever,
And you can as a teacher, it may not be within the same profession
(although as mxsmanic notes there are private shools) but that's just
the same for others, and teaching skills are reasonably transferable
to other jobs, they are at least highly educated people.
>you can find another job with another company (without
>uprooting your family to another city).
Only if there's an appropriate job in an appropriate location
available, not every profession is like teaching with posts all over
the country (I imagine most of the meteorologists in the UK are
employed by one employer, who's in the process of moving across the
country, do you think those employees have that much more option than
teachers?
Jim.
Jun 14th 2003, 9:44 pm
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:
> Go Fig writes:
>
> > I don't think you have the experience to make such
> > a broad statement.
>
> What does this ad hominem argument contribute to the discussion?
Why the heck did you not include the OP text ;
> > Maybe the average family has more "modern conveniences" (aka useless
> > gadgets), but in most ways, our "quality of life" is not nearly that of
> > our European counterparts.
The OP experience is not an irrelevant fact to this text you
deliberately excluded.
Is it your position after a week in Paris as a tourist and another week
in Austria one can assess "quality of life" experience for 380 million
Europeans ?
jay
Sun, Jun 15, 2003
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> Go Fig writes:
>
> > I don't think you have the experience to make such
> > a broad statement.
>
> What does this ad hominem argument contribute to the discussion?
Why the heck did you not include the OP text ;
> > Maybe the average family has more "modern conveniences" (aka useless
> > gadgets), but in most ways, our "quality of life" is not nearly that of
> > our European counterparts.
The OP experience is not an irrelevant fact to this text you
deliberately excluded.
Is it your position after a week in Paris as a tourist and another week
in Austria one can assess "quality of life" experience for 380 million
Europeans ?
jay
Sun, Jun 15, 2003
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Jun 15th 2003, 12:12 am
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:58:10 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:
>> You could equally say that
>>teaching in the UK is fortunate in that there are plenty of jobs
>>_everywhere_. In my profession it's very tough to find a job outside
>>of a city.
>If, of course, you want to teach - or have the ability to do it. if you
>have,
Of course I could, that's my point, the teachers you described in
france are in no different a position than me, they can change
profession to work in another location.
>why do you not? Could be the pay, of course, and the hours,
>believe it or not.
I do not believe I would be suited to the profession, and whilst I'm
prepared to be a bad shelf stacker, a bad teacher I just couldn't do.
Jim.
wrote:
>> You could equally say that
>>teaching in the UK is fortunate in that there are plenty of jobs
>>_everywhere_. In my profession it's very tough to find a job outside
>>of a city.
>If, of course, you want to teach - or have the ability to do it. if you
>have,
Of course I could, that's my point, the teachers you described in
france are in no different a position than me, they can change
profession to work in another location.
>why do you not? Could be the pay, of course, and the hours,
>believe it or not.
I do not believe I would be suited to the profession, and whilst I'm
prepared to be a bad shelf stacker, a bad teacher I just couldn't do.
Jim.
Jun 15th 2003, 12:36 am
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It goes both ways, depending on the contract the teacher has with the
school.
Yes, you'd think people would plan ahead that way, but human nature often
works differently!
> I do not understand this: is the salary not spread over the 12 months of
> the year in the USA?
> If not, why do teachers not put something aside to pay for the unpaid
> time?
> In the UK, salaries for teachers are divided by 12 so there is never any
> "unpaid" time.
> --
> Marie Lewis
school.
Yes, you'd think people would plan ahead that way, but human nature often
works differently!
> I do not understand this: is the salary not spread over the 12 months of
> the year in the USA?
> If not, why do teachers not put something aside to pay for the unpaid
> time?
> In the UK, salaries for teachers are divided by 12 so there is never any
> "unpaid" time.
> --
> Marie Lewis
Jun 15th 2003, 1:42 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:37 GMT, poldy wrote:
>Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
Here is the reason. Threads like "Genetics of Americans" and "French Spit on
Americans" get 150-200 responses. Threads like "good hotel in Paris", "going to
Poland" get 5-12 responses.
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>Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
Here is the reason. Threads like "Genetics of Americans" and "French Spit on
Americans" get 150-200 responses. Threads like "good hotel in Paris", "going to
Poland" get 5-12 responses.
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"If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee."
- Abraham Lincoln
Jun 15th 2003, 1:54 am
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Mason Barge wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:37 GMT, poldy wrote:
>
>>Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
>>
>Here is the reason. Threads like "Genetics of Americans" and "French Spit on
>Americans" get 150-200 responses. Threads like "good hotel in Paris", "going to
>Poland" get 5-12 responses.
>
Also note that those threads are cross-posted to other unrelated groups.
>On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:37 GMT, poldy wrote:
>
>>Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
>>
>Here is the reason. Threads like "Genetics of Americans" and "French Spit on
>Americans" get 150-200 responses. Threads like "good hotel in Paris", "going to
>Poland" get 5-12 responses.
>
Also note that those threads are cross-posted to other unrelated groups.
Jun 15th 2003, 2:57 am
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In article , Jim Ley
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>Of course I could, that's my point, the teachers you described in
>france are in no different a position than me, they can change
>profession to work in another location.
yes, but they cannot just find another teaching position in another
part of France. Shelf stackers can.
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Marie Lewis
writes
>Of course I could, that's my point, the teachers you described in
>france are in no different a position than me, they can change
>profession to work in another location.
yes, but they cannot just find another teaching position in another
part of France. Shelf stackers can.
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Marie Lewis
Jun 15th 2003, 3:18 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 15:57:13 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:
>In article , Jim Ley
> writes
>>Of course I could, that's my point, the teachers you described in
>>france are in no different a position than me, they can change
>>profession to work in another location.
> yes, but they cannot just find another teaching position in another
>part of France. Shelf stackers can.
No, but they can find shelf stacking or other jobs... just like other
people who want to choose where they live, rather than live where they
have to work. I'm sorry I don't have any sympathy for people entering
a profession with such limitations, or has the conditions of
employment suddenly changed?
Jim.
wrote:
>In article , Jim Ley
> writes
>>Of course I could, that's my point, the teachers you described in
>>france are in no different a position than me, they can change
>>profession to work in another location.
> yes, but they cannot just find another teaching position in another
>part of France. Shelf stackers can.
No, but they can find shelf stacking or other jobs... just like other
people who want to choose where they live, rather than live where they
have to work. I'm sorry I don't have any sympathy for people entering
a profession with such limitations, or has the conditions of
employment suddenly changed?
Jim.
Jun 15th 2003, 3:39 am
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:11:38 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
>Oh, they take the required time to recover - they just do it without
>pay! (Once they've used up their vacation allowance, that is - some
>vacation!)
I am surprised that someone who claims to work in accounting in
California is unaware of SDI (State Disability Insurance) as it is a
mandatory payroll deduction. You may learn something at:
http://www.edd.ca.gov/
Gordon
wrote:
>Oh, they take the required time to recover - they just do it without
>pay! (Once they've used up their vacation allowance, that is - some
>vacation!)
I am surprised that someone who claims to work in accounting in
California is unaware of SDI (State Disability Insurance) as it is a
mandatory payroll deduction. You may learn something at:
http://www.edd.ca.gov/
Gordon
Jun 15th 2003, 3:53 am
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"Go Fig" wrote in message
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> In article ,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> > As with many factors in our "great democracy", America is an ideal place
> > to live IF (a) you have a secure source of income, sick or well, and (b)
> > you have adequate health insurance which does not depend upon your
> > remaining employed. Unfortunately, most of us have never noticed that,
> > from being the envy of the rest of the world (after WW2) we have become
> > the "poor relation" in terms of most of the things that really matter.
> > Maybe the average family has more "modern conveniences" (aka useless
> > gadgets), but in most ways, our "quality of life" is not nearly that of
> > our European counterparts.
> I don't think you have the experience to make such a broad statement.
> jay
> Sat, Jun 14, 2003
Having spent more than 20 years living in both the USA & Europe, I believe I
do have the necessary experience.
I agree with Evelyn.
Terry.
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> In article ,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> > As with many factors in our "great democracy", America is an ideal place
> > to live IF (a) you have a secure source of income, sick or well, and (b)
> > you have adequate health insurance which does not depend upon your
> > remaining employed. Unfortunately, most of us have never noticed that,
> > from being the envy of the rest of the world (after WW2) we have become
> > the "poor relation" in terms of most of the things that really matter.
> > Maybe the average family has more "modern conveniences" (aka useless
> > gadgets), but in most ways, our "quality of life" is not nearly that of
> > our European counterparts.
> I don't think you have the experience to make such a broad statement.
> jay
> Sat, Jun 14, 2003
Having spent more than 20 years living in both the USA & Europe, I believe I
do have the necessary experience.
I agree with Evelyn.
Terry.
Jun 15th 2003, 4:19 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
In article ,
"Terry Richards" wrote:
> "Go Fig" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article ,
> > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> >
> > > As with many factors in our "great democracy", America is an ideal place
> > > to live IF (a) you have a secure source of income, sick or well, and (b)
> > > you have adequate health insurance which does not depend upon your
> > > remaining employed. Unfortunately, most of us have never noticed that,
> > > from being the envy of the rest of the world (after WW2) we have become
> > > the "poor relation" in terms of most of the things that really matter.
> > > Maybe the average family has more "modern conveniences" (aka useless
> > > gadgets), but in most ways, our "quality of life" is not nearly that of
> > > our European counterparts.
> >
> >
> > I don't think you have the experience to make such a broad statement.
> >
> > jay
> > Sat, Jun 14, 2003
>
> Having spent more than 20 years living in both the USA & Europe, I believe I
> do have the necessary experience.
>
> I agree with Evelyn.
>
> Terry.
>
>
Why do you not live in Europe then ?
jay
Sun, Jun 15, 2003
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"Terry Richards" wrote:
> "Go Fig" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article ,
> > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> >
> > > As with many factors in our "great democracy", America is an ideal place
> > > to live IF (a) you have a secure source of income, sick or well, and (b)
> > > you have adequate health insurance which does not depend upon your
> > > remaining employed. Unfortunately, most of us have never noticed that,
> > > from being the envy of the rest of the world (after WW2) we have become
> > > the "poor relation" in terms of most of the things that really matter.
> > > Maybe the average family has more "modern conveniences" (aka useless
> > > gadgets), but in most ways, our "quality of life" is not nearly that of
> > > our European counterparts.
> >
> >
> > I don't think you have the experience to make such a broad statement.
> >
> > jay
> > Sat, Jun 14, 2003
>
> Having spent more than 20 years living in both the USA & Europe, I believe I
> do have the necessary experience.
>
> I agree with Evelyn.
>
> Terry.
>
>
Why do you not live in Europe then ?
jay
Sun, Jun 15, 2003
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Jun 15th 2003, 5:01 am
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"Marie Lewis" a écrit dans le message news:
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> yes, but they cannot just find another teaching position in another
> part of France.
They can ask for a transfer, but it can take years before they get the
transfer they want.
JPh
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> yes, but they cannot just find another teaching position in another
> part of France.
They can ask for a transfer, but it can take years before they get the
transfer they want.
JPh
Jun 15th 2003, 5:24 am
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"Go Fig" wrote in message
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> Why do you not live in Europe then ?
It's a long story but the short answer is "We're working on it."
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> Why do you not live in Europe then ?
It's a long story but the short answer is "We're working on it."
Jun 15th 2003, 6:09 am
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:19:35 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Go Fig arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Why do you not live in Europe then ?
Is it not a personal question ?
some electrons, so they looked like this :
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... Why do you not live in Europe then ?
Is it not a personal question ?
