How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Jun 13th 2003, 11:56 pm
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:20:51 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
>Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> At the companies I've worked for in France, if you're sick, you call in
>> sick. After 72 hours (I think), they can ask for a medical explanation
>> for your illness, but if it is the flu or something, they usually won't.
>> If you're not sick, you're expected to come to work.
>Further evidence (if any were needed) that France is a more civilized
>nation than our own! If one is contemplating major surgery, or has a
>really serious illness, here, the five days "sick leave" allowance is
>not really adequate - and since it is "use it or lose it" the time is
>frequently regarded as additional vacation time, if one has not been
>required to use it for its legitimate purpose during the year. It's
>true many people DO suffer colds and minor ailments at holiday time -
>largely due to stress, inadequate rest and improper diet - but they are
>more inclined to use their "sick time" then, sick or not, when they can
>safely do so without worrying about really NEEDING the time, later in
>the year.
Wasn't there a joke around a while back - "I've used up all my sick
leave so now I'm calling in dead". (?)
wrote:
>Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> At the companies I've worked for in France, if you're sick, you call in
>> sick. After 72 hours (I think), they can ask for a medical explanation
>> for your illness, but if it is the flu or something, they usually won't.
>> If you're not sick, you're expected to come to work.
>Further evidence (if any were needed) that France is a more civilized
>nation than our own! If one is contemplating major surgery, or has a
>really serious illness, here, the five days "sick leave" allowance is
>not really adequate - and since it is "use it or lose it" the time is
>frequently regarded as additional vacation time, if one has not been
>required to use it for its legitimate purpose during the year. It's
>true many people DO suffer colds and minor ailments at holiday time -
>largely due to stress, inadequate rest and improper diet - but they are
>more inclined to use their "sick time" then, sick or not, when they can
>safely do so without worrying about really NEEDING the time, later in
>the year.
Wasn't there a joke around a while back - "I've used up all my sick
leave so now I'm calling in dead". (?)
Jun 14th 2003, 2:29 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Marie Lewis writes:
> But How on earth do Americans recover from major
> surgery if they are expected to be back at work
> so quickly?
They are fired after a short period of absence, and then they have all
the recovery time that they need.
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> But How on earth do Americans recover from major
> surgery if they are expected to be back at work
> so quickly?
They are fired after a short period of absence, and then they have all
the recovery time that they need.
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Jun 14th 2003, 2:30 am
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Marie Lewis writes:
> But they have terrible working practices where they
> more or less have to work where they are sent.
Like the rest of the working world, you mean?
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> But they have terrible working practices where they
> more or less have to work where they are sent.
Like the rest of the working world, you mean?
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Jun 14th 2003, 4:03 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 16:29:47 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:
>They are fired after a short period of absence, and then they have all
>the recovery time that they need.
You forgot add the smiley to this.
There is long and short term disability status (and insurance
payments) and/or worker's compensation (if the illness or injury was
job related). If there is a permanent partial disability, the
employer is required (under the Americans with Disabilities Act) to
make accommodations to the employee who is able to resume work. These
can be as simple as a special ergonomic chair to a complete change of
job description to allow telecommuting, for example.
Gordon
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>They are fired after a short period of absence, and then they have all
>the recovery time that they need.
You forgot add the smiley to this.
There is long and short term disability status (and insurance
payments) and/or worker's compensation (if the illness or injury was
job related). If there is a permanent partial disability, the
employer is required (under the Americans with Disabilities Act) to
make accommodations to the employee who is able to resume work. These
can be as simple as a special ergonomic chair to a complete change of
job description to allow telecommuting, for example.
Gordon
Jun 14th 2003, 4:23 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
In article , Mxsmanic
writes
>Marie Lewis writes:
>> But How on earth do Americans recover from major
>> surgery if they are expected to be back at work
>> so quickly?
>They are fired after a short period of absence, and then they have all
>the recovery time that they need.
That is appalling. Are their services and experience not valued?
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Marie Lewis
writes
>Marie Lewis writes:
>> But How on earth do Americans recover from major
>> surgery if they are expected to be back at work
>> so quickly?
>They are fired after a short period of absence, and then they have all
>the recovery time that they need.
That is appalling. Are their services and experience not valued?
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Marie Lewis
Jun 14th 2003, 4:24 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
In article , Mxsmanic
writes
>Marie Lewis writes:
>> But they have terrible working practices where they
>> more or less have to work where they are sent.
>Like the rest of the working world, you mean?
No: that is not the case with most other professions.
Most people can choose the region where they wish to live and work:
French teachers cannot.
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Marie Lewis
writes
>Marie Lewis writes:
>> But they have terrible working practices where they
>> more or less have to work where they are sent.
>Like the rest of the working world, you mean?
No: that is not the case with most other professions.
Most people can choose the region where they wish to live and work:
French teachers cannot.
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Marie Lewis
Jun 14th 2003, 4:42 am
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Gordon Forbess writes:
> You forgot add the smiley to this.
It was not a joke.
> If there is a permanent partial disability, the
> employer is required (under the Americans with
> Disabilities Act) to make accommodations to the
> employee who is able to resume work. These can be
> as simple as a special ergonomic chair to a complete
> change of job description to allow telecommuting,
> for example.
I'm sure that many waitresses and cashiers will be happy to learn of
this.
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> You forgot add the smiley to this.
It was not a joke.
> If there is a permanent partial disability, the
> employer is required (under the Americans with
> Disabilities Act) to make accommodations to the
> employee who is able to resume work. These can be
> as simple as a special ergonomic chair to a complete
> change of job description to allow telecommuting,
> for example.
I'm sure that many waitresses and cashiers will be happy to learn of
this.
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Jun 14th 2003, 5:38 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 18:42:51 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:
>Gordon Forbess writes:
>> You forgot add the smiley to this.
>It was not a joke.
Then it was simply incorrect. Perhaps you are unaware of the term
"wrongful discharge" or that a herd of attorneys specialize in such
cases.
>> If there is a permanent partial disability, the
>> employer is required (under the Americans with
>> Disabilities Act) to make accommodations to the
>> employee who is able to resume work. These can be
>> as simple as a special ergonomic chair to a complete
>> change of job description to allow telecommuting,
>> for example.
>I'm sure that many waitresses and cashiers will be happy to learn of
>this.
I wouldn't make the assumption that waitresses and cashiers are any
less well-informed about the ADA, workers comp, and disability
insurance than someone posting to a travel group.
Gordon
wrote:
>Gordon Forbess writes:
>> You forgot add the smiley to this.
>It was not a joke.
Then it was simply incorrect. Perhaps you are unaware of the term
"wrongful discharge" or that a herd of attorneys specialize in such
cases.
>> If there is a permanent partial disability, the
>> employer is required (under the Americans with
>> Disabilities Act) to make accommodations to the
>> employee who is able to resume work. These can be
>> as simple as a special ergonomic chair to a complete
>> change of job description to allow telecommuting,
>> for example.
>I'm sure that many waitresses and cashiers will be happy to learn of
>this.
I wouldn't make the assumption that waitresses and cashiers are any
less well-informed about the ADA, workers comp, and disability
insurance than someone posting to a travel group.
Gordon
Jun 14th 2003, 6:43 am
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"Gordon Forbess" wrote in message
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> >> If there is a permanent partial disability, the
> >> employer is required (under the Americans with
> >> Disabilities Act) to make accommodations to the
> >> employee who is able to resume work. These can be
> >> as simple as a special ergonomic chair to a complete
> >> change of job description to allow telecommuting,
> >> for example.
> >I'm sure that many waitresses and cashiers will be happy to learn of
> >this.
> I wouldn't make the assumption that waitresses and cashiers are any
> less well-informed about the ADA, workers comp, and disability
> insurance than someone posting to a travel group.
> Gordon
But can they telecommute ?
RTE
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> >> If there is a permanent partial disability, the
> >> employer is required (under the Americans with
> >> Disabilities Act) to make accommodations to the
> >> employee who is able to resume work. These can be
> >> as simple as a special ergonomic chair to a complete
> >> change of job description to allow telecommuting,
> >> for example.
> >I'm sure that many waitresses and cashiers will be happy to learn of
> >this.
> I wouldn't make the assumption that waitresses and cashiers are any
> less well-informed about the ADA, workers comp, and disability
> insurance than someone posting to a travel group.
> Gordon
But can they telecommute ?
RTE
Jun 14th 2003, 6:58 am
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Gordon Forbess writes:
> Perhaps you are unaware of the term "wrongful discharge"
> or that a herd of attorneys specialize in such
> cases.
Perhaps you've forgotten that justice in the U.S. costs a minimum of
$100 per hour.
> I wouldn't make the assumption that waitresses and
> cashiers are any less well-informed about the ADA,
> workers comp, and disability insurance than someone
> posting to a travel group.
No matter how well informed they may be, it does no good if they can't
afford lawyers. In the U.S., justice is the best that money can buy.
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> Perhaps you are unaware of the term "wrongful discharge"
> or that a herd of attorneys specialize in such
> cases.
Perhaps you've forgotten that justice in the U.S. costs a minimum of
$100 per hour.
> I wouldn't make the assumption that waitresses and
> cashiers are any less well-informed about the ADA,
> workers comp, and disability insurance than someone
> posting to a travel group.
No matter how well informed they may be, it does no good if they can't
afford lawyers. In the U.S., justice is the best that money can buy.
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Jun 14th 2003, 7:18 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:
> Gordon Forbess writes:
>
> > Perhaps you are unaware of the term "wrongful discharge"
> > or that a herd of attorneys specialize in such
> > cases.
>
> Perhaps you've forgotten that justice in the U.S. costs a minimum of
> $100 per hour.
>
> > I wouldn't make the assumption that waitresses and
> > cashiers are any less well-informed about the ADA,
> > workers comp, and disability insurance than someone
> > posting to a travel group.
>
> No matter how well informed they may be, it does no good if they can't
> afford lawyers. In the U.S., justice is the best that money can buy.
And when you have defendants with assets, litigants can always be found.
jay
Sat, Jun 14, 2003
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> Gordon Forbess writes:
>
> > Perhaps you are unaware of the term "wrongful discharge"
> > or that a herd of attorneys specialize in such
> > cases.
>
> Perhaps you've forgotten that justice in the U.S. costs a minimum of
> $100 per hour.
>
> > I wouldn't make the assumption that waitresses and
> > cashiers are any less well-informed about the ADA,
> > workers comp, and disability insurance than someone
> > posting to a travel group.
>
> No matter how well informed they may be, it does no good if they can't
> afford lawyers. In the U.S., justice is the best that money can buy.
And when you have defendants with assets, litigants can always be found.
jay
Sat, Jun 14, 2003
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Jun 14th 2003, 7:47 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:58:42 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:
>No matter how well informed they may be, it does no good if they can't
>afford lawyers. In the U.S., justice is the best that money can buy.
In LA, lawyers and chiropractors work the sidewalks at the EDD for
people with any sort of case.. at no cost to the complainant. And
they will try to get a whole lot more than $100/hour from the
employer.
Gordon
wrote:
>No matter how well informed they may be, it does no good if they can't
>afford lawyers. In the U.S., justice is the best that money can buy.
In LA, lawyers and chiropractors work the sidewalks at the EDD for
people with any sort of case.. at no cost to the complainant. And
they will try to get a whole lot more than $100/hour from the
employer.
Gordon
Jun 14th 2003, 8:45 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:24:06 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:
>In article , Mxsmanic
> writes
>>Marie Lewis writes:
>>> But they have terrible working practices where they
>>> more or less have to work where they are sent.
>>Like the rest of the working world, you mean?
>No: that is not the case with most other professions.
>Most people can choose the region where they wish to live and work:
>French teachers cannot.
No, they can choose to do a job in a region_if they can get a job
there_ otherwise they have to do something else to be able to live
where they want. You may say that the French teachers are limited to
"work in teaching" or "work where they want" but it's still a choice,
and one shared by many professions. You could equally say that
teaching in the UK is fortunate in that there are plenty of jobs
_everywhere_. In my profession it's very tough to find a job outside
of a city.
Jim.
wrote:
>In article , Mxsmanic
> writes
>>Marie Lewis writes:
>>> But they have terrible working practices where they
>>> more or less have to work where they are sent.
>>Like the rest of the working world, you mean?
>No: that is not the case with most other professions.
>Most people can choose the region where they wish to live and work:
>French teachers cannot.
No, they can choose to do a job in a region_if they can get a job
there_ otherwise they have to do something else to be able to live
where they want. You may say that the French teachers are limited to
"work in teaching" or "work where they want" but it's still a choice,
and one shared by many professions. You could equally say that
teaching in the UK is fortunate in that there are plenty of jobs
_everywhere_. In my profession it's very tough to find a job outside
of a city.
Jim.
Jun 14th 2003, 8:51 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
In article , Mxsmanic
writes
>Perhaps you've forgotten that justice in the U.S. costs a minimum of
>$100 per hour.
Don't you have legal aid for the poor?
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Marie Lewis
writes
>Perhaps you've forgotten that justice in the U.S. costs a minimum of
>$100 per hour.
Don't you have legal aid for the poor?
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Marie Lewis
Jun 14th 2003, 12:01 pm
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Padraig Breathnach wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>
> >Get this - I used to work at a Federal agency here in Washington. We got 10
> >days (i.e., two weeks) of sick leave per year.
> >
> >From time to time someone would have a particularly serious injury or
> >illness and would exceed their sick leave allotment. On their behalf, a
> >co-worker could petition the human resources department to make them
> >eligible to receive sick leave donations from other people on staff, who
> >would have to give up their sick leave in order for this suffering person to
> >continue to be paid while they were in hospital. A friend or office-mate
> >would walk around from door to door in our building trying to solicit
> >donations of a few hours of sick time from each of us.
> >
> >It was like something out of a cheesy parody.
> >
> I am shocked.
>
> Is this typical of public service employment in the US?
As with many factors in our "great democracy", America is an ideal place
to live IF (a) you have a secure source of income, sick or well, and (b)
you have adequate health insurance which does not depend upon your
remaining employed. Unfortunately, most of us have never noticed that,
from being the envy of the rest of the world (after WW2) we have become
the "poor relation" in terms of most of the things that really matter.
Maybe the average family has more "modern conveniences" (aka useless
gadgets), but in most ways, our "quality of life" is not nearly that of
our European counterparts.
>
> PB
>
> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>
> >Get this - I used to work at a Federal agency here in Washington. We got 10
> >days (i.e., two weeks) of sick leave per year.
> >
> >From time to time someone would have a particularly serious injury or
> >illness and would exceed their sick leave allotment. On their behalf, a
> >co-worker could petition the human resources department to make them
> >eligible to receive sick leave donations from other people on staff, who
> >would have to give up their sick leave in order for this suffering person to
> >continue to be paid while they were in hospital. A friend or office-mate
> >would walk around from door to door in our building trying to solicit
> >donations of a few hours of sick time from each of us.
> >
> >It was like something out of a cheesy parody.
> >
> I am shocked.
>
> Is this typical of public service employment in the US?
As with many factors in our "great democracy", America is an ideal place
to live IF (a) you have a secure source of income, sick or well, and (b)
you have adequate health insurance which does not depend upon your
remaining employed. Unfortunately, most of us have never noticed that,
from being the envy of the rest of the world (after WW2) we have become
the "poor relation" in terms of most of the things that really matter.
Maybe the average family has more "modern conveniences" (aka useless
gadgets), but in most ways, our "quality of life" is not nearly that of
our European counterparts.
>
> PB
