How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Jun 12th 2003, 11:37 am
#76
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
In article ,
[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
> Mxsmanic wrote:
> > Mason Barge writes:
> >> There are in fact a number people here who are avoiding
> >> France for reasons having to do with perceived tension
> >> between France and the US.
> >
> > They are insignificantly rare.
>
> In almost every case I suspect they are the same people who wouldn't have
> gone to France in any case, but are seizing on this opportunity to make a
> statement against the French. These are the people that the prospect of
> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop right
> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
>
> miguel
End of the season stats will tell the story.
jay
Thu, Jun 12, 2003
mailto:[email protected]
--
Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."
[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
> Mxsmanic wrote:
> > Mason Barge writes:
> >> There are in fact a number people here who are avoiding
> >> France for reasons having to do with perceived tension
> >> between France and the US.
> >
> > They are insignificantly rare.
>
> In almost every case I suspect they are the same people who wouldn't have
> gone to France in any case, but are seizing on this opportunity to make a
> statement against the French. These are the people that the prospect of
> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop right
> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
>
> miguel
End of the season stats will tell the story.
jay
Thu, Jun 12, 2003
mailto:[email protected]
--
Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."
Jun 12th 2003, 11:55 am
#77
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
poldy writes:
> Can you accumulate more than 6 weeks? Say use 4
> weeks one year and then use 8 weeks next year?
By law, no. Some companies stretch the law a bit, if the employee
consents. For example, normally you must use up all accrued vacation by
May 31 of each year, but some companies will let you save a few days and
use them after May 31, if you agree. If either party disagrees, though,
you lose the days if you don't take them (and conversely, the company
must allow you to take them).
> Or is it a use it or lose it type of thing?
Use or lose, normally. Of course, beyond the legal minimum, companies
can have whatever policies they want.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
> Can you accumulate more than 6 weeks? Say use 4
> weeks one year and then use 8 weeks next year?
By law, no. Some companies stretch the law a bit, if the employee
consents. For example, normally you must use up all accrued vacation by
May 31 of each year, but some companies will let you save a few days and
use them after May 31, if you agree. If either party disagrees, though,
you lose the days if you don't take them (and conversely, the company
must allow you to take them).
> Or is it a use it or lose it type of thing?
Use or lose, normally. Of course, beyond the legal minimum, companies
can have whatever policies they want.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
Jun 12th 2003, 1:12 pm
#78
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Go Fig writes:
> End of the season stats will tell the story.
Thus far, the impact appears to be negligeable, and I see thousands of
Americans every day in Paris.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
> End of the season stats will tell the story.
Thus far, the impact appears to be negligeable, and I see thousands of
Americans every day in Paris.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
Jun 12th 2003, 3:18 pm
#79
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Hatunen wrote:
>
> A little research indicates that for the class of employees not
> exempt from the overtime provisions of the wage and hour act comp
> time may be granted in lieu of overtime pay, but at the rate of
> one-and-a-half times the number of hours of overtime worked, and
> only up to a certain limit in the number of hours involved.
I think you're speaking of hourly workers, not salaried employees (who,
if classified as "professional staff" need not be paid for overtime at
time and a half - or at ALL, in some cases. (The assumption being that
seasonal overtime is taken into account when negotiating salary.)
I am quite sure about this, because a few years ago we had someone from
the labor department examining our firm's employment practices.
"Support staff" - mail room, file clerks, etc. must indeed be paid
overtime at time and a half (but may choose to take it in compensatory
time off - there was never any question of that). Although our firm
DOES pay professional staff for overtime (at straight time), it is not
required to do so. (And we are perfectly at liberty to save it for
extra vacations - although they frown upon our amassing TOO much time.)
FWIW, I would never work for a company that insisted upon paying me for
overtime, rather than allowing me to take compensatory time off. Free
time is a much more precious comodity than a few extra bucks (especially
if I don't have the time to spend them).
>
> A little research indicates that for the class of employees not
> exempt from the overtime provisions of the wage and hour act comp
> time may be granted in lieu of overtime pay, but at the rate of
> one-and-a-half times the number of hours of overtime worked, and
> only up to a certain limit in the number of hours involved.
I think you're speaking of hourly workers, not salaried employees (who,
if classified as "professional staff" need not be paid for overtime at
time and a half - or at ALL, in some cases. (The assumption being that
seasonal overtime is taken into account when negotiating salary.)
I am quite sure about this, because a few years ago we had someone from
the labor department examining our firm's employment practices.
"Support staff" - mail room, file clerks, etc. must indeed be paid
overtime at time and a half (but may choose to take it in compensatory
time off - there was never any question of that). Although our firm
DOES pay professional staff for overtime (at straight time), it is not
required to do so. (And we are perfectly at liberty to save it for
extra vacations - although they frown upon our amassing TOO much time.)
FWIW, I would never work for a company that insisted upon paying me for
overtime, rather than allowing me to take compensatory time off. Free
time is a much more precious comodity than a few extra bucks (especially
if I don't have the time to spend them).
Jun 12th 2003, 3:20 pm
#80
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
poldy wrote:
>
> In article ,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
> > I don't think the "displeasure" extends to many people who are
> > sophisticated enough to have ever considered travel abroad, but the
> > "economy" is certainly a large factor. Even if you haven't lost your
> > job in all the "mergers", the dollar isn't worth nearly as much as it
> > was a couple of years ago.
>
> How about in the last year? It was just under a dollar to the Euro when
> I was in Paris last August. Now it's like $1.15 to the Euro.
When I was in Paris in February, 2002, a euro was worth about eighty
cents.
>
> In article ,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
> > I don't think the "displeasure" extends to many people who are
> > sophisticated enough to have ever considered travel abroad, but the
> > "economy" is certainly a large factor. Even if you haven't lost your
> > job in all the "mergers", the dollar isn't worth nearly as much as it
> > was a couple of years ago.
>
> How about in the last year? It was just under a dollar to the Euro when
> I was in Paris last August. Now it's like $1.15 to the Euro.
When I was in Paris in February, 2002, a euro was worth about eighty
cents.
Jun 12th 2003, 3:25 pm
#81
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
poldy wrote:
>
> In article ,
> Marie Lewis wrote:
>
> > >But the Internet, especially this newsgroup, is an American thing. Did
> > >you not know that?
> >
> >
> > I take it this is you idea of a joke?
>
> Yes a little joke. Actually I read this group a lot more last year
> before a trip and got good info. I didn't recall as many posters from
> countries where English is not the main language.
>
> However, I noticed there was a lot of traffic because of the war and the
> cooling relations brought about by Bush.
>
> This specific group is probably US in origin. There are probably travel
> related groups which start with uk or fr or de or other country-specific
> groups.
You have an astonishing talent for leaping to unwarranted conclusions!
I've been posting here for several years, now, and one of the things I
most enjoy is the contact with people from all over the "western"
world! There may well be travel groups in other languages, as well, but
this one certainly has a very cosmopolitan membership, and always had!
>
> In article ,
> Marie Lewis wrote:
>
> > >But the Internet, especially this newsgroup, is an American thing. Did
> > >you not know that?
> >
> >
> > I take it this is you idea of a joke?
>
> Yes a little joke. Actually I read this group a lot more last year
> before a trip and got good info. I didn't recall as many posters from
> countries where English is not the main language.
>
> However, I noticed there was a lot of traffic because of the war and the
> cooling relations brought about by Bush.
>
> This specific group is probably US in origin. There are probably travel
> related groups which start with uk or fr or de or other country-specific
> groups.
You have an astonishing talent for leaping to unwarranted conclusions!
I've been posting here for several years, now, and one of the things I
most enjoy is the contact with people from all over the "western"
world! There may well be travel groups in other languages, as well, but
this one certainly has a very cosmopolitan membership, and always had!
Jun 12th 2003, 3:25 pm
#82
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
> > Mason Barge writes:
> >> There are in fact a number people here who are avoiding
> >> France for reasons having to do with perceived tension
> >> between France and the US.
> >
> > They are insignificantly rare.
>
> In almost every case I suspect they are the same people who wouldn't have
> gone to France in any case, but are seizing on this opportunity to make a
> statement against the French. These are the people that the prospect of
> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop right
> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
My conclusion, as well!
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
> > Mason Barge writes:
> >> There are in fact a number people here who are avoiding
> >> France for reasons having to do with perceived tension
> >> between France and the US.
> >
> > They are insignificantly rare.
>
> In almost every case I suspect they are the same people who wouldn't have
> gone to France in any case, but are seizing on this opportunity to make a
> statement against the French. These are the people that the prospect of
> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop right
> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
My conclusion, as well!
Jun 12th 2003, 3:50 pm
#83
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
"Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
news:VX7Ga.2384$%[email protected]...
> Mxsmanic wrote:
> > Mason Barge writes:
> >> There are in fact a number people here who are avoiding
> >> France for reasons having to do with perceived tension
> >> between France and the US.
> >
> > They are insignificantly rare.
> In almost every case I suspect they are the same people who wouldn't have
> gone to France in any case, but are seizing on this opportunity to make a
> statement against the French. These are the people that the prospect of
> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop
right
> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
Bingo!
Tim
news:VX7Ga.2384$%[email protected]...
> Mxsmanic wrote:
> > Mason Barge writes:
> >> There are in fact a number people here who are avoiding
> >> France for reasons having to do with perceived tension
> >> between France and the US.
> >
> > They are insignificantly rare.
> In almost every case I suspect they are the same people who wouldn't have
> gone to France in any case, but are seizing on this opportunity to make a
> statement against the French. These are the people that the prospect of
> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop
right
> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
Bingo!
Tim
Jun 12th 2003, 3:56 pm
#84
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Mark Hewitt wrote:
> I'm only going from what I was told by our personell department.
> Certainly in the last place I worked for they had to force some people to
> take holiday time!
And everyone bitched about their absence, while they were gone, right?
No one is indispensible, but sometimes the rest of the staff rely so
heavily on certain key people that you'd think they were!
> I'm only going from what I was told by our personell department.
> Certainly in the last place I worked for they had to force some people to
> take holiday time!
And everyone bitched about their absence, while they were gone, right?
No one is indispensible, but sometimes the rest of the staff rely so
heavily on certain key people that you'd think they were!
Jun 12th 2003, 3:59 pm
#85
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Hatunen wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:09:50 -0700,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Mxsmanic wrote:
> >>
> >> The Reid writes:
> >>
> >> > If what I just read in another thread is true,
> >> > (that US tend to only have 2 weeks leave a year) ...
> >>
> >> It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
> >> year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
> >> legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
> >> three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
> >
> >What you say is basically true (unfortunately). However, in occupations
> >where large amounts of seasonal overtime may be expected (a tax
> >accounting firm, for example), employers are often VERY happy to let you
> >"bank" that overtime for use later in the year, when they'd otherwise
> >have to pay you for sitting at your desk doing nothing (or reading
> >mysteries, or surfing the net). If you don't really need the extra
> >money, it's much nicer to use the time for trips to Europe, n'est-ce
> >pas?
>
> Unfortunately, save for certain classes of employee, failure to
> pay overtime (money) at the time of accrual is a violation of
> federal wage and hour laws, as well as the laws of many states.
I think that only applies to hourly wages - salaried employees have more
lattitude. (At least, I always have had, and I've been an employee for
a good many years - I wouldn't WORK anywhere that I couldn't bank my
overtime!)
>
> ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
> * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
>
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:09:50 -0700,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Mxsmanic wrote:
> >>
> >> The Reid writes:
> >>
> >> > If what I just read in another thread is true,
> >> > (that US tend to only have 2 weeks leave a year) ...
> >>
> >> It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
> >> year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
> >> legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
> >> three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
> >
> >What you say is basically true (unfortunately). However, in occupations
> >where large amounts of seasonal overtime may be expected (a tax
> >accounting firm, for example), employers are often VERY happy to let you
> >"bank" that overtime for use later in the year, when they'd otherwise
> >have to pay you for sitting at your desk doing nothing (or reading
> >mysteries, or surfing the net). If you don't really need the extra
> >money, it's much nicer to use the time for trips to Europe, n'est-ce
> >pas?
>
> Unfortunately, save for certain classes of employee, failure to
> pay overtime (money) at the time of accrual is a violation of
> federal wage and hour laws, as well as the laws of many states.
I think that only applies to hourly wages - salaried employees have more
lattitude. (At least, I always have had, and I've been an employee for
a good many years - I wouldn't WORK anywhere that I couldn't bank my
overtime!)
>
> ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
> * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Jun 12th 2003, 4:00 pm
#86
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
> Hatunen wrote:
> > Unfortunately, save for certain classes of employee, failure to
> > pay overtime (money) at the time of accrual is a violation of
> > federal wage and hour laws, as well as the laws of many states.
>
> Must be a pretty broad class of exceptions, though, because the Federal
> government itself is free and easy with comp time.
As is every place I've ever worked. (I'm quite sure they were not ALL
in violation of the law!)
>
> miguel
> --
> Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
> Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
>
> Hatunen wrote:
> > Unfortunately, save for certain classes of employee, failure to
> > pay overtime (money) at the time of accrual is a violation of
> > federal wage and hour laws, as well as the laws of many states.
>
> Must be a pretty broad class of exceptions, though, because the Federal
> government itself is free and easy with comp time.
As is every place I've ever worked. (I'm quite sure they were not ALL
in violation of the law!)
>
> miguel
> --
> Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
> Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
Jun 12th 2003, 4:35 pm
#87
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:21:30 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, poldy arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Yes a little joke. Actually I read this group a lot more last year
... before a trip and got good info. I didn't recall as many posters from
... countries where English is not the main language.
How do you identify them ?
some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Yes a little joke. Actually I read this group a lot more last year
... before a trip and got good info. I didn't recall as many posters from
... countries where English is not the main language.
How do you identify them ?
Jun 12th 2003, 8:11 pm
#88
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Following up to poldy
>However, I noticed there was a lot of traffic because of the war and the
>cooling relations brought about by Bush.
most of the "extra traffic" seems to come from alleged Bush supporters
trolling!
>This specific group is probably US in origin. There are probably travel
>related groups which start with uk or fr or de or other country-specific
>groups.
Can't see a uk. one on a quick run through, the strength of usenet is
surely in its width, quality being a, er, variable.
Travel in particular being a subject not served well by insularity!
In uk. hierarchy groups some of the most valuable members are
sometimes not phyically in uk and able to provide insights from other
cultures. We are probably lucky to speak the language of the internet
as our first language.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale, landscape photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>However, I noticed there was a lot of traffic because of the war and the
>cooling relations brought about by Bush.
most of the "extra traffic" seems to come from alleged Bush supporters
trolling!
>This specific group is probably US in origin. There are probably travel
>related groups which start with uk or fr or de or other country-specific
>groups.
Can't see a uk. one on a quick run through, the strength of usenet is
surely in its width, quality being a, er, variable.
Travel in particular being a subject not served well by insularity!
In uk. hierarchy groups some of the most valuable members are
sometimes not phyically in uk and able to provide insights from other
cultures. We are probably lucky to speak the language of the internet
as our first language.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale, landscape photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Jun 12th 2003, 8:11 pm
#89
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Following up to Tim Hurson
>These are the people that the prospect of
>> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop
>right
>> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
>Bingo!
These are probably the same people who equate dislike of McDonalds
with being ungrateful for US help in WW2.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale, landscape photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>These are the people that the prospect of
>> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop
>right
>> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
>Bingo!
These are probably the same people who equate dislike of McDonalds
with being ungrateful for US help in WW2.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale, landscape photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Jun 12th 2003, 8:11 pm
#90
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>I think you're speaking of hourly workers, not salaried employees (who,
>if classified as "professional staff" need not be paid for overtime at
>time and a half - or at ALL, in some cases. (The assumption being that
>seasonal overtime is taken into account when negotiating salary.)
Most of the people I know work in financial services or local
government accountancy and none are paid overtime or any note made of
the considerable hours worked over the notional 35 or whatever.
The same certainly goes for doctors. There is a max hours law in UK
IIRC but I think it just gets ignored.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale, landscape photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>I think you're speaking of hourly workers, not salaried employees (who,
>if classified as "professional staff" need not be paid for overtime at
>time and a half - or at ALL, in some cases. (The assumption being that
>seasonal overtime is taken into account when negotiating salary.)
Most of the people I know work in financial services or local
government accountancy and none are paid overtime or any note made of
the considerable hours worked over the notional 35 or whatever.
The same certainly goes for doctors. There is a max hours law in UK
IIRC but I think it just gets ignored.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale, landscape photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
