How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Jun 12th 2003, 8:25 pm
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:11:16 +0100, The Reid wrote:
> Following up to Tim Hurson
>> These are the people that the prospect of
>>> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop
>> right
>>> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
>> Bingo!
> These are probably the same people who equate dislike of McDonalds
> with being ungrateful for US help in WW2.
LOL!
> Following up to Tim Hurson
>> These are the people that the prospect of
>>> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop
>> right
>>> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
>> Bingo!
> These are probably the same people who equate dislike of McDonalds
> with being ungrateful for US help in WW2.
LOL!
Jun 12th 2003, 10:53 pm
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The Reid writes:
> These are probably the same people who equate
> dislike of McDonalds with being ungrateful for
> US help in WW2.
And the same people who don't know that France is the strongest market
that McDonald's has right now (amazing but true).
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> These are probably the same people who equate
> dislike of McDonalds with being ungrateful for
> US help in WW2.
And the same people who don't know that France is the strongest market
that McDonald's has right now (amazing but true).
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Jun 13th 2003, 2:22 am
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> The Reid writes:
> > These are probably the same people who equate
> > dislike of McDonalds with being ungrateful for
> > US help in WW2.
> And the same people who don't know that France is the strongest market
> that McDonald's has right now (amazing but true).
Then I expect to see brie in my 1/4 pounder next time.
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> The Reid writes:
> > These are probably the same people who equate
> > dislike of McDonalds with being ungrateful for
> > US help in WW2.
> And the same people who don't know that France is the strongest market
> that McDonald's has right now (amazing but true).
Then I expect to see brie in my 1/4 pounder next time.
Jun 13th 2003, 6:15 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:37:39 GMT, Go Fig wrote:
>End of the season stats will tell the story.
The stats will tell what people have done. Not why.
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>End of the season stats will tell the story.
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Jun 13th 2003, 6:54 am
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Magda wrote:
>
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:21:30 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, poldy arranged
> some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... Yes a little joke. Actually I read this group a lot more last year
> ... before a trip and got good info. I didn't recall as many posters from
> ... countries where English is not the main language.
>
> How do you identify them ?
I think he (she?) assumes that people from other countries share our
American reluctance to learn anything but our native tongue. (Au
contraire, some of the "foreign" posters here speak - or at least write
- more fluent and gramatical English than some of the Americans.)
>
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:21:30 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, poldy arranged
> some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... Yes a little joke. Actually I read this group a lot more last year
> ... before a trip and got good info. I didn't recall as many posters from
> ... countries where English is not the main language.
>
> How do you identify them ?
I think he (she?) assumes that people from other countries share our
American reluctance to learn anything but our native tongue. (Au
contraire, some of the "foreign" posters here speak - or at least write
- more fluent and gramatical English than some of the Americans.)
Jun 13th 2003, 6:59 am
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The Reid wrote:
>
> Following up to Tim Hurson
>
> >These are the people that the prospect of
> >> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop
> >right
> >> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
> >
> >Bingo!
>
> These are probably the same people who equate dislike of McDonalds
> with being ungrateful for US help in WW2.
Bingo, again! But how do explain the fact that many Americans here also
express a distaste for Micky Dee? (As American "fast food" chains go,
it may be the most visible and agressively expanding, but it has several
competitors who provide much better food.)
>
> Following up to Tim Hurson
>
> >These are the people that the prospect of
> >> travel to a place as faraway and weird as France would scare the poop
> >right
> >> out of. Now suddenly they can blame politics instead of themselves.
> >
> >Bingo!
>
> These are probably the same people who equate dislike of McDonalds
> with being ungrateful for US help in WW2.
Bingo, again! But how do explain the fact that many Americans here also
express a distaste for Micky Dee? (As American "fast food" chains go,
it may be the most visible and agressively expanding, but it has several
competitors who provide much better food.)
Jun 13th 2003, 7:09 am
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Tim Hurson wrote:
>
> "Mxsmanic" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > The Reid writes:
> >
> > > These are probably the same people who equate
> > > dislike of McDonalds with being ungrateful for
> > > US help in WW2.
> >
> > And the same people who don't know that France is the strongest market
> > that McDonald's has right now (amazing but true).
>
> Then I expect to see brie in my 1/4 pounder next time.
Well, that would certainly improve the product! ...Might also be
feasible, since I'm sure French brie on its native turf doesn't cost
nearly as much as it does here, where it's an "imported" luxury. Also,
I gather that McDonald's in Europe does not aim its advertising at
school children (and pre-schoolers) as it does in America. (Aside from
the fact that brie is probably not outside French children's experience,
as it generally is among kids here in the U.S.)
>
> "Mxsmanic" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > The Reid writes:
> >
> > > These are probably the same people who equate
> > > dislike of McDonalds with being ungrateful for
> > > US help in WW2.
> >
> > And the same people who don't know that France is the strongest market
> > that McDonald's has right now (amazing but true).
>
> Then I expect to see brie in my 1/4 pounder next time.
Well, that would certainly improve the product! ...Might also be
feasible, since I'm sure French brie on its native turf doesn't cost
nearly as much as it does here, where it's an "imported" luxury. Also,
I gather that McDonald's in Europe does not aim its advertising at
school children (and pre-schoolers) as it does in America. (Aside from
the fact that brie is probably not outside French children's experience,
as it generally is among kids here in the U.S.)
Jun 13th 2003, 8:34 am
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:04:28 GMT, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
>My mother, until her dying day, could not understand why I chose NOT to
>pursue a career in public school teaching, because "Look at those short
>hours and long vacations!" (I know - every teacher here is falling
>about with laughter at that perception!) She looked at the nine AM to
>three PM period that school was officially in session, and no one had
>ever told her about lesson plans or the time required for devising tests
>and grading papers, not to mention overseeing "extra curricular"
>activities, attending PTA (Parent-Teacher Association) meetings, and all
>the thousand and one other little tasks that fill considerably more than
>eight hours a day for any conscientious teacher. (Or the fact that
>"those long vacations" were unpaid, which was the reason not only
>students but also teachers sought summer jobs!)
FWIW, some American school districts allow a teacher to spread
his/her pay out over 12 months...
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>My mother, until her dying day, could not understand why I chose NOT to
>pursue a career in public school teaching, because "Look at those short
>hours and long vacations!" (I know - every teacher here is falling
>about with laughter at that perception!) She looked at the nine AM to
>three PM period that school was officially in session, and no one had
>ever told her about lesson plans or the time required for devising tests
>and grading papers, not to mention overseeing "extra curricular"
>activities, attending PTA (Parent-Teacher Association) meetings, and all
>the thousand and one other little tasks that fill considerably more than
>eight hours a day for any conscientious teacher. (Or the fact that
>"those long vacations" were unpaid, which was the reason not only
>students but also teachers sought summer jobs!)
FWIW, some American school districts allow a teacher to spread
his/her pay out over 12 months...
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Jun 13th 2003, 9:04 am
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The Reid wrote:
>
> Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>
> >I think you're speaking of hourly workers, not salaried employees (who,
> >if classified as "professional staff" need not be paid for overtime at
> >time and a half - or at ALL, in some cases. (The assumption being that
> >seasonal overtime is taken into account when negotiating salary.)
>
> Most of the people I know work in financial services or local
> government accountancy and none are paid overtime or any note made of
> the considerable hours worked over the notional 35 or whatever.
> The same certainly goes for doctors. There is a max hours law in UK
> IIRC but I think it just gets ignored.
My mother, until her dying day, could not understand why I chose NOT to
pursue a career in public school teaching, because "Look at those short
hours and long vacations!" (I know - every teacher here is falling
about with laughter at that perception!) She looked at the nine AM to
three PM period that school was officially in session, and no one had
ever told her about lesson plans or the time required for devising tests
and grading papers, not to mention overseeing "extra curricular"
activities, attending PTA (Parent-Teacher Association) meetings, and all
the thousand and one other little tasks that fill considerably more than
eight hours a day for any conscientious teacher. (Or the fact that
"those long vacations" were unpaid, which was the reason not only
students but also teachers sought summer jobs!)
>
> Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>
> >I think you're speaking of hourly workers, not salaried employees (who,
> >if classified as "professional staff" need not be paid for overtime at
> >time and a half - or at ALL, in some cases. (The assumption being that
> >seasonal overtime is taken into account when negotiating salary.)
>
> Most of the people I know work in financial services or local
> government accountancy and none are paid overtime or any note made of
> the considerable hours worked over the notional 35 or whatever.
> The same certainly goes for doctors. There is a max hours law in UK
> IIRC but I think it just gets ignored.
My mother, until her dying day, could not understand why I chose NOT to
pursue a career in public school teaching, because "Look at those short
hours and long vacations!" (I know - every teacher here is falling
about with laughter at that perception!) She looked at the nine AM to
three PM period that school was officially in session, and no one had
ever told her about lesson plans or the time required for devising tests
and grading papers, not to mention overseeing "extra curricular"
activities, attending PTA (Parent-Teacher Association) meetings, and all
the thousand and one other little tasks that fill considerably more than
eight hours a day for any conscientious teacher. (Or the fact that
"those long vacations" were unpaid, which was the reason not only
students but also teachers sought summer jobs!)
Jun 13th 2003, 9:19 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:54:50 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
...
... Magda wrote:
... >
... > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:21:30 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, poldy arranged
... > some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... > ... Yes a little joke. Actually I read this group a lot more last year
... > ... before a trip and got good info. I didn't recall as many posters from
... > ... countries where English is not the main language.
... >
... > How do you identify them ?
...
... I think he (she?) assumes that people from other countries share our
... American reluctance to learn anything but our native tongue. (Au
... contraire, some of the "foreign" posters here speak - or at least write
... - more fluent and gramatical English than some of the Americans.)
You mean that s/he takes the more fluent ones for native speakers, without trying to know
where they are really from ?
(Marie, pas taper ! ;-))
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
...
... Magda wrote:
... >
... > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:21:30 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, poldy arranged
... > some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... > ... Yes a little joke. Actually I read this group a lot more last year
... > ... before a trip and got good info. I didn't recall as many posters from
... > ... countries where English is not the main language.
... >
... > How do you identify them ?
...
... I think he (she?) assumes that people from other countries share our
... American reluctance to learn anything but our native tongue. (Au
... contraire, some of the "foreign" posters here speak - or at least write
... - more fluent and gramatical English than some of the Americans.)
You mean that s/he takes the more fluent ones for native speakers, without trying to know
where they are really from ?
(Marie, pas taper ! ;-))
Jun 13th 2003, 9:42 am
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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> The Reid wrote:
> >
> > Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
> >
> > >I think you're speaking of hourly workers, not salaried employees (who,
> > >if classified as "professional staff" need not be paid for overtime at
> > >time and a half - or at ALL, in some cases. (The assumption being that
> > >seasonal overtime is taken into account when negotiating salary.)
> >
> > Most of the people I know work in financial services or local
> > government accountancy and none are paid overtime or any note made of
> > the considerable hours worked over the notional 35 or whatever.
> > The same certainly goes for doctors. There is a max hours law in UK
> > IIRC but I think it just gets ignored.
> My mother, until her dying day, could not understand why I chose NOT to
> pursue a career in public school teaching, because "Look at those short
> hours and long vacations!" (I know - every teacher here is falling
> about with laughter at that perception!) She looked at the nine AM to
> three PM period that school was officially in session, and no one had
> ever told her about lesson plans or the time required for devising tests
> and grading papers, not to mention overseeing "extra curricular"
> activities, attending PTA (Parent-Teacher Association) meetings, and all
> the thousand and one other little tasks that fill considerably more than
> eight hours a day for any conscientious teacher. (Or the fact that
> "those long vacations" were unpaid, which was the reason not only
> students but also teachers sought summer jobs!)
And of course no other jobs require additional time beyond the tour of duty
hours. No planning time required, no time needed for preparing reports,
making travel arrangements, arranging and attending meetings with clients,
travel time such as driving long distances, flying time, trains, waiting in
airports, cancelled flight delays, time spent going out to eat meals in
restaurants etc etc etc. Those poor poor teachers have it so tough while
the rest of us are on a never ending day at the beach.
Ryan
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> The Reid wrote:
> >
> > Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
> >
> > >I think you're speaking of hourly workers, not salaried employees (who,
> > >if classified as "professional staff" need not be paid for overtime at
> > >time and a half - or at ALL, in some cases. (The assumption being that
> > >seasonal overtime is taken into account when negotiating salary.)
> >
> > Most of the people I know work in financial services or local
> > government accountancy and none are paid overtime or any note made of
> > the considerable hours worked over the notional 35 or whatever.
> > The same certainly goes for doctors. There is a max hours law in UK
> > IIRC but I think it just gets ignored.
> My mother, until her dying day, could not understand why I chose NOT to
> pursue a career in public school teaching, because "Look at those short
> hours and long vacations!" (I know - every teacher here is falling
> about with laughter at that perception!) She looked at the nine AM to
> three PM period that school was officially in session, and no one had
> ever told her about lesson plans or the time required for devising tests
> and grading papers, not to mention overseeing "extra curricular"
> activities, attending PTA (Parent-Teacher Association) meetings, and all
> the thousand and one other little tasks that fill considerably more than
> eight hours a day for any conscientious teacher. (Or the fact that
> "those long vacations" were unpaid, which was the reason not only
> students but also teachers sought summer jobs!)
And of course no other jobs require additional time beyond the tour of duty
hours. No planning time required, no time needed for preparing reports,
making travel arrangements, arranging and attending meetings with clients,
travel time such as driving long distances, flying time, trains, waiting in
airports, cancelled flight delays, time spent going out to eat meals in
restaurants etc etc etc. Those poor poor teachers have it so tough while
the rest of us are on a never ending day at the beach.
Ryan
Jun 13th 2003, 10:46 am
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Well, between jobs, after retirement - or, as a student. My nieces (and
my wife) did it this way.
Not all, but many, jobs in the US start with 2 weeks vacation. Some
exceptions are the one I had for many years with a research laboratory
associated with a large university. We got four weeks a year vacation
right from the start, along with 3 weeks sick leave, and a few
holidays. But you didn't increase in vacation allotment, it stayed at
four weeks. My most recent employer offered 3 weeks vacation plus two
weeks sick leave, plus all the government holidays.
My wife is on the academic year, with 10 vacation days plus some sick
leave. The salary is pro-rated though, for only 9/12 of the salary of
those people who work the whole year.
The Reid wrote:
>
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
> >It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
> >year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
> >legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
> >three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
> >
> >> ... then it must be a smallish percentage of
> >> the whole anyway.
> >
> >It's hard to go anywhere with only ten days of vacation per year, that's
> >true.
>
> Work up to two weeks!! If I hadnt read all the protestant work ethic
> stuff I would have found this incredible. Mind you, there is some
> downward pressure on leave here in UK. Maybe from US companies.
>
> I would feel more like a slave than an employee with 2- weeks leave.
> So most of the US people touring Europe do it between jobs or after
> retirement?
> --
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> Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
> Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
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my wife) did it this way.
Not all, but many, jobs in the US start with 2 weeks vacation. Some
exceptions are the one I had for many years with a research laboratory
associated with a large university. We got four weeks a year vacation
right from the start, along with 3 weeks sick leave, and a few
holidays. But you didn't increase in vacation allotment, it stayed at
four weeks. My most recent employer offered 3 weeks vacation plus two
weeks sick leave, plus all the government holidays.
My wife is on the academic year, with 10 vacation days plus some sick
leave. The salary is pro-rated though, for only 9/12 of the salary of
those people who work the whole year.
The Reid wrote:
>
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
> >It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
> >year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
> >legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
> >three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
> >
> >> ... then it must be a smallish percentage of
> >> the whole anyway.
> >
> >It's hard to go anywhere with only ten days of vacation per year, that's
> >true.
>
> Work up to two weeks!! If I hadnt read all the protestant work ethic
> stuff I would have found this incredible. Mind you, there is some
> downward pressure on leave here in UK. Maybe from US companies.
>
> I would feel more like a slave than an employee with 2- weeks leave.
> So most of the US people touring Europe do it between jobs or after
> retirement?
> --
> Mike Reid
> "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
> Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
> Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
--
wf.
Wayne Flowers
Randee Greenwald
[email protected]
Jun 13th 2003, 11:25 am
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> Also, I gather that McDonald's in Europe does
> not aim its advertising at school children (and
> pre-schoolers) as it does in America.
In France, it aims at families, and it succeeds. I see entire families
eating at McDonald's, and buying huge bags of food to go, presumably for
the entire family.
I've even seen teachers bringing entire classes to McDonald's for lunch.
They even reserved in advance.
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> Also, I gather that McDonald's in Europe does
> not aim its advertising at school children (and
> pre-schoolers) as it does in America.
In France, it aims at families, and it succeeds. I see entire families
eating at McDonald's, and buying huge bags of food to go, presumably for
the entire family.
I've even seen teachers bringing entire classes to McDonald's for lunch.
They even reserved in advance.
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Jun 13th 2003, 11:26 am
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> But how do explain the fact that many Americans
> here also express a distaste for Micky Dee?
It's fashionable to disdain what is popular and mainstream. The French
are even worse in that respect, despite the fact that they like
McDonald's even more than Americans do (sales figures don't lie).
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> But how do explain the fact that many Americans
> here also express a distaste for Micky Dee?
It's fashionable to disdain what is popular and mainstream. The French
are even worse in that respect, despite the fact that they like
McDonald's even more than Americans do (sales figures don't lie).
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Jun 13th 2003, 12:07 pm
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randee writes:
> ... along with 3 weeks sick leave ...
Sick leave is an aberration that I don't believe I've seen outside the
U.S.
Illnesses are not planned. If you are sick, you can't work, sick leave
or not. And if you are not sick, you should not be taking sick leave.
So the only possible purpose to sick leave is to give people extra
vacation that they can take by lying about their state of health.
At the companies I've worked for in France, if you're sick, you call in
sick. After 72 hours (I think), they can ask for a medical explanation
for your illness, but if it is the flu or something, they usually won't.
If you're not sick, you're expected to come to work. Since there is no
sick leave, there are no people who manage to be sick for exactly a
certain number of days each year.
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> ... along with 3 weeks sick leave ...
Sick leave is an aberration that I don't believe I've seen outside the
U.S.
Illnesses are not planned. If you are sick, you can't work, sick leave
or not. And if you are not sick, you should not be taking sick leave.
So the only possible purpose to sick leave is to give people extra
vacation that they can take by lying about their state of health.
At the companies I've worked for in France, if you're sick, you call in
sick. After 72 hours (I think), they can ask for a medical explanation
for your illness, but if it is the flu or something, they usually won't.
If you're not sick, you're expected to come to work. Since there is no
sick leave, there are no people who manage to be sick for exactly a
certain number of days each year.
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