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BristolUK Apr 4th 2021 6:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Gulp.

As a province, NB numbers are still low. But up in the north there have been two areas - both on Quebec borders - that have posted much higher figures. One seems to have recovered but the other - also sharing a border with Maine is consistently posting double figures.

One of the Health authorities (the French one) just announced emergencies only for the next week at two of its hospitals, one of them in Moncton where there's not much of a problem.

I think there's a clue today with reference to record numbers of ICU patient admissions for the second day running in that area. That's a record for the province as a whole in that area alone. Twice. And the news report refers to imminent transfers...presumably the French hospital in Moncton is ready to take some. :unsure:

The variants are involved, of course.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 4th 2021 6:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Climbing everywhere with the variants it seems.




Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12991201)
Gulp.

As a province, NB numbers are still low. But up in the north there have been two areas - both on Quebec borders - that have posted much higher figures. One seems to have recovered but the other - also sharing a border with Maine is consistently posting double figures.

One of the Health authorities (the French one) just announced emergencies only for the next week at two of its hospitals, one of them in Moncton where there's not much of a problem.

I think there's a clue today with reference to record numbers of ICU patient admissions for the second day running in that area. That's a record for the province as a whole in that area alone. Twice. And the news report refers to imminent transfers...presumably the French hospital in Moncton is ready to take some. :unsure:

The variants are involved, of course.


printer Apr 4th 2021 10:28 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
And even though that doctors tweet says "don't travel" people most certainly are. There seems to be a very lax message regarding travel of any kind from those that are supposed to be guiding us.
This pasted from an article about visitors to Osoyoos over Easter and even the mayor is not telling people to stay away as last year just "follow advice" and "be careful"Last year, Osoyoos mayor Sue McKortoff told people that were planning to come to visit to stay home and wait.

“I went on Global and CBC and said, ‘please don't come to Osoyoos this weekend, we would prefer that you wait. We would be happy to welcome you when it's safe to do so.’”

This year McKortoff is not sending out the same message but, is asking people to understand guidelines if they plan on coming.

“I understand a lot of the hotels are full, I've had a few calls myself from people from outside of British Columbia saying, ‘we have plans to come and stay in Osoyoos...we're just not sure whether we should come here.’ And I said ‘I can't tell you that you can't come but I would suggest that you look at the provincial guidelines, look at our town's website.’”
It even goes on to say that they realize people have holiday properties there and want to stay or check them out like that is an acceptable reason. It seemed pretty clear to me that tourists were in Kelowna this weekend and i fully understand the tourism sector is in dire straits and needs visitors but it also seems our chiefs are not on the same page as some doctors and medical advisors.

BristolUK Apr 4th 2021 10:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12991263)
And even though that doctors tweet says "don't travel" ...even the mayor is not telling people to stay away...

That's probably a fair summing up.

If you want to travel it's probably not difficult to find something someone said to justify travelling. If you don't think someone should travel, likewise it's easy to find something someone said to justify that too.

But we've all seen Jaws haven't we? Against all sensible advice, the Mayor wanted to keep the beaches open.

Why would people listen to a mayor over the opinion of the experts? :confused:

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 4th 2021 11:30 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Seemed to be plenty going to the island as well, and people who live in smaller communities on the island complaining about out of town folk visiting.

As long as it's just a travel advisory which it is, and there is no penalty or enforcement people will travel.

Some have argued it's not just an advisory however on the government website if you read through the website on restrictions, the travel advisory is at the bottom, above are the PHO orders & Emergency Program Act order for masks (the PHO never has actually mandated masks, it was the Minister of Public Safety & Solicitor General who ordered masks be worn.

However if you go through the page, the actual orders all link to a pdf of the order, and the website lists penalties from breaking said orders.

The travel advisory has no pdf copy of any order, lists no enforcement actions and no penalties, and says At this time, all non-essential travel should be avoided.

To me the travel advisory isn't a legal order that is enforceable the way it's worded on the website, and the lack of any enforcement is a pretty good sign its not a legal order, and if it were a legal order prohibiting it, why did they not link a copy of the order like they did for the other orders?

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/c...o/restrictions






Originally Posted by printer (Post 12991263)
And even though that doctors tweet says "don't travel" people most certainly are. There seems to be a very lax message regarding travel of any kind from those that are supposed to be guiding us.
This pasted from an article about visitors to Osoyoos over Easter and even the mayor is not telling people to stay away as last year just "follow advice" and "be careful"Last year, Osoyoos mayor Sue McKortoff told people that were planning to come to visit to stay home and wait.

“I went on Global and CBC and said, ‘please don't come to Osoyoos this weekend, we would prefer that you wait. We would be happy to welcome you when it's safe to do so.’”

This year McKortoff is not sending out the same message but, is asking people to understand guidelines if they plan on coming.

“I understand a lot of the hotels are full, I've had a few calls myself from people from outside of British Columbia saying, ‘we have plans to come and stay in Osoyoos...we're just not sure whether we should come here.’ And I said ‘I can't tell you that you can't come but I would suggest that you look at the provincial guidelines, look at our town's website.’”
It even goes on to say that they realize people have holiday properties there and want to stay or check them out like that is an acceptable reason. It seemed pretty clear to me that tourists were in Kelowna this weekend and i fully understand the tourism sector is in dire straits and needs visitors but it also seems our chiefs are not on the same page as some doctors and medical advisors.


scrubbedexpat091 Apr 5th 2021 12:04 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
People during this time should have an option to not go to their workplace and not lose pay when there are co-workers who are ill.

Husband caught COVID at work, his wife and daughter caught it from him, and his wife in her 40's died. One of the variants.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-w...says-1.5374029


"He was told to go work at this factory and he got COVID, so did everyone else on his shift, and they got the variant," Warner said Sunday. "It got brought home, their daughter got COVID and his wife got COVID."

caretaker Apr 5th 2021 7:09 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
On Saturday our Regina drive through vaccination site reopened with wait times of 4-5 hours, but in the afternoon that changed to 1 hr then 1/2 hr then nothing. On Sunday wait time was 1 hr in the morning, then after lunch when it changed to 1/2 hr my friend picked me up and drove over there. I got my first shot of Astrazeneca and was home within an hour, including a stop at the liquor store. Now I have to cancel my appointment for vaccination on the 13th.

Atlantic Xpat Apr 5th 2021 12:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12991201)
Gulp.

As a province, NB numbers are still low. But up in the north there have been two areas - both on Quebec borders - that have posted much higher figures. One seems to have recovered but the other - also sharing a border with Maine is consistently posting double figures.

One of the Health authorities (the French one) just announced emergencies only for the next week at two of its hospitals, one of them in Moncton where there's not much of a problem.

I think there's a clue today with reference to record numbers of ICU patient admissions for the second day running in that area. That's a record for the province as a whole in that area alone. Twice. And the news report refers to imminent transfers...presumably the French hospital in Moncton is ready to take some. :unsure:

The variants are involved, of course.

This fella on twitter (NS based Epidemiologist) has an excellent thread summarising the C19 situation thus far across Canada & some specific analysis on why Atlantic Canada is doing rather better than elsewhere. (Not just population density & geographic isolation). Worth a read: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...ZUXx1OnnwR_sIs



BristolUK Apr 5th 2021 2:06 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 12991402)
This fella on twitter (NS based Epidemiologist) has an excellent thread summarising the C19 situation thus far across Canada & some specific analysis on why Atlantic Canada is doing rather better than elsewhere. (Not just population density & geographic isolation). Worth a read: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...ZUXx1OnnwR_sIs

It was good to see someone not simply attributing a difference to population/density. Thanks.

Obviously it comes into it but not necessarily the be all and end all.
Before Moncton I was in Longueuil, Quebec. Four times the population density of Moncton. In Longueuil much of the housing was in 6-unit apartment blocks. Housing is more spread out in Moncton but there's a bigger proportion of larger than 6-unit apartment buildings, so communal areas are perhaps used by more people in Moncton.
If I worked in retail, banking, goverment, real estate etc In Moncton I'd be on a bus with the same number of passengers as the Longueuil bus, travelling to and from the same size office with the same number of colleagues and with the same number of customers or clients during the same day which has the same number of hours regardless of which city.

Within New Brunswick, Moncton's population density is more than three times greater than that of Edmundston. Moncton currently has 11 active cases, Edmundston 136. Clearly something else is afoot sometimes.

Siouxie Apr 5th 2021 2:31 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I don't like the new shutdown of Ontario, but despair of the intelligence of some people - including my ex step daughter who disregarded the regulations and had 14 people over for Easter dinner yesterday. Regulations state you have to restrict it to the people who live in the same household (but can have a person who lives alone join provided it's exclusive, such as her mother) - she has 5 in her household - plus her mother probably joined them, that accounts for 6 - so she invited 8 others. She published the fact on Facebook - bragging about it and posting a live video saying that she hoped everyone enjoyed Easter getting together with all their family and friends! Moronic behaviour at it's finest.

I posted on FB the other day about the shutdown where someone had asked whether it was true or not - I just gave a link - and received several abusive posts in response by a couple of morons who said they were going to ignore the requirements and carry on regardless.. nobody was going to stop them doing what they wanted to.

It's people like these that are causing the damn thing to go on and on and on and on and on.. :banghead:

Danny B Apr 5th 2021 2:56 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12991448)
I don't like the new shutdown of Ontario,

I read on Twitter that there isn't much difference between the old lockdown and the new shutdown, is this true?

Restaurants....

Lockdown: indoor dining prohibited, patio dining allowed

Shutdown: indoor dining and patio dining prohibited


Sports and recreation...

Lockdown: Golf courses open

Shutdown: Golf courses closed

(My sources told me last night golf courses would be open under the new restrictions, so there's that.)


Gatherings:

Lockdown: indoor gatherings banned, outdoor limited to 10 people.

Shutdown: indoor gatherings banned, outdoor limited to 5 people.


Religious, wedding and funeral services:

Lockdown: services are allowed indoors, limited to 15% capacity of the room, outdoors with two metres physical distance

Shutdown: exactly the same


Okay, but does shutdown mean the same as stay at home order?

Doesn't look like it.

Basically the same wording here

Lockdown: "Only go out for essential reasons"

Shutdown: "You should only go out for necessities"


To sum up, the more restrictive measures in Shutdown vs. Lockdown (that I can find) are all about *outdoor* space:
»patio dining closed
»golf courses closed
»outdoor gatherings limit of 5 instead of 10.



Siouxie Apr 5th 2021 3:04 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12991459)
I read on Twitter that there isn't much difference between the old lockdown and the new shutdown, is this true?

Restaurants....

Lockdown: indoor dining prohibited, patio dining allowed

Shutdown: indoor dining and patio dining prohibited


Sports and recreation...

Lockdown: Golf courses open

Shutdown: Golf courses closed

(My sources told me last night golf courses would be open under the new restrictions, so there's that.)


Gatherings:

Lockdown: indoor gatherings banned, outdoor limited to 10 people.

Shutdown: indoor gatherings banned, outdoor limited to 5 people.


Religious, wedding and funeral services:

Lockdown: services are allowed indoors, limited to 15% capacity of the room, outdoors with two metres physical distance

Shutdown: exactly the same


Okay, but does shutdown mean the same as stay at home order?

Doesn't look like it.

Basically the same wording here

Lockdown: "Only go out for essential reasons"

Shutdown: "You should only go out for necessities"


To sum up, the more restrictive measures in Shutdown vs. Lockdown (that I can find) are all about *outdoor* space:
»patio dining closed
»golf courses closed
»outdoor gatherings limit of 5 instead of 10.

That was not the point of my post. Despite the whole Province of Ontario being in Shutdown (as opposed to just a few Cities being in Lockdown) many are ignoring it. Covidiots.

:banghead:

Danny B Apr 5th 2021 4:27 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12991464)
That was not the point of my post. Despite the whole Province of Ontario being in Shutdown (as opposed to just a few Cities being in Lockdown) many are ignoring it. Covidiots.

:banghead:

Yes I knew what you meant, same thing happened here in BC last year. TBH with you, most Canadians seem to follow rules / orders OK, but they get confused over advisories. I think the provincial governments should have been more draconian and put laws into place instead of these poxy advisories.

printer Apr 5th 2021 10:16 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12991501)
Yes I knew what you meant, same thing happened here in BC last year. TBH with you, most Canadians seem to follow rules / orders OK, but they get confused over advisories. I think the provincial governments should have been more draconian and put laws into place instead of these poxy advisories.

Yeah no kidding

bats Apr 5th 2021 10:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12991501)
Yes I knew what you meant, same thing happened here in BC last year. TBH with you, most Canadians seem to follow rules / orders OK, but they get confused over advisories. I think the provincial governments should have been more draconian and put laws into place instead of these poxy advisories.

It is confusing. There's a whole load of stuff bring posted about small shops and businesses not bring allowed to open when big box stores are, yet the small shops are allowed to open. I looked over the new regulations and it says you should stay in your region but it doesn't define what they mean by region. Additionally it says tgat any workers who might be closer tgan 2m from another person without a barrier between them should wear a mask with eye protection, I haven't seen that happening, I don't think I misread it.

Its rubbish reaaly, Ontario shutdown seems to be tge same as UK easing of restrictions.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 6th 2021 12:45 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
17 of 22 active players on the Canucks hockey team are on the COVID protocol list.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl...tion-1.5975798

Danny B Apr 6th 2021 9:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I registered here today, I'm surprised the website didn't crash!
https://www.getvaccinated.gov.bc.ca/s/


caretaker Apr 6th 2021 9:46 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I had a sore shoulder the next day, otherwise no effects.

Danny B Apr 6th 2021 10:01 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12992071)
I had a sore shoulder the next day, otherwise no effects.

How's the 5G coverage?

caretaker Apr 6th 2021 10:22 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12992087)
How's the 5G coverage?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...14f1230f34.png

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 6th 2021 10:41 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12992053)
I registered here today, I'm surprised the website didn't crash!
https://www.getvaccinated.gov.bc.ca/s/


I was surprised too, but they appear to have learned from prior mistakes with website crashing and this time around made sure to use a host with high traffic capabilities.

Still some people online complaining the website is confusing. :confused: I found it to be simple, fast, and efficient.

Now just got to sit and wait for the text someday for an appointment, hoping maybe by May or June they will be in the 40 age group, but who knows.

Danny B Apr 7th 2021 1:19 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12992093)
U2 album


LOL, that Album launch was a huge mistake.

vinegarboy Apr 7th 2021 9:45 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
Sharing here just in case this info might be of any help to somebody.

I'm currently down in the U.S. & 2 days ago I gave a local grocery store pharmacist my name & # just in case they might ever have any leftover Pfizer that they had to use up at the end of their workday (or toss out as expired temperature-wise).

Anyhow, an hour later I got a phone call to get down there again asap, & I was then promptly given Pfizer #1, totally freebies, & an appt for shot #2 in 21 days' time, no problem or drama whatsoever.

So I'm now one less that my province will have to vaccinate, & I don't need to go 4mos b/w shots.

Danny B Apr 7th 2021 2:16 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Jeez, I wouldn't want to be in Brazil right now, it's being compared to a biological Fukushima with 4,000 deaths yesterday.

spouse of scouse Apr 7th 2021 2:25 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12992306)
Jeez, I wouldn't want to be in Brazil right now, it's being compared to a biological Fukushima with 4,000 deaths yesterday.

The poor souls. As far as I'm concerned Bolsonaro is a mass murderer.

Jerseygirl Apr 7th 2021 3:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Walking along a road with no one in sight...an unmasked woman got out of an Uber. She then walked straight into the physio’s office...still unmasked. :frown:

Siouxie Apr 7th 2021 4:20 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12992354)
Walking along a road with no one in sight...an unmasked woman got out of an Uber. She then walked straight into the physio’s office...still unmasked. :frown:

I'm really surprised she was allowed in the Uber without a mask - Ubers in Hamilton require them before you are allowed to enter - no mask, no ride, I thought that was the rule everywhere.. hopefully the driver used the app to report her!


TORONTO, Sept. 24, 2020 /CNW/ - Today Uber notified drivers that the Rider Mask Verification safety feature is now available to all riders in Canada and the U.S. The company also revealed it has removed the access of more than 1,250 riders since Uber's "No Mask, No Ride" policy was put into effect in May.

bats Apr 7th 2021 6:00 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Ontario peeps, over 60s can book appointments now. I've got mine for next week and the second one in August

Siouxie Apr 7th 2021 6:05 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Ford about to make an announcement - rumour is that he will state Ontario to be issued Stay At Home Order as of 12:01am Thursday 8th April.
https://news.ontario.ca/en/advisory/...announcement-1

EDITED to add - Confirmed.. Stay At Home Order in place for Ontario 12:01am

caretaker Apr 7th 2021 6:14 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
On Saturday I was told to expect the 2nd shot in "somewhere between 4 weeks and 4 months".

caretaker Apr 7th 2021 9:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Saskatchewan has extended lockdown until at least April 26th.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...2021-1.5978364

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 7th 2021 10:15 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Government- Please don't travel.

People- Let's travel

Government- it's outrageous people are travelling, but we have no plans to restrict it.

And they wonder why people continue to travel.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...inue-1.5978321

vinegarboy Apr 7th 2021 10:37 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12992501)
Government- Please don't travel.

People- Let's travel

Government- it's outrageous people are travelling, but we have no plans to restrict it.

And they wonder why people continue to travel.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...inue-1.5978321

Those who've travelled down to the U.S. are currently receiving their two shots in the U.S., for free, & within the mfr-recommended number of weeks between shots; and they certainly won't require any of the dose inventory back home in Canada. So they'll be returning home fully vaccinated not partially/experimentally.

Jerseygirl Apr 7th 2021 10:39 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by vinegarboy (Post 12992506)
Those who've travelled down to the U.S. are currently receiving their two shots in the U.S., for free, & within the mfr-recommended number of weeks between shots; and they certainly won't require any of the dose inventory back home in Canada. So they'll be returning home fully vaccinated not partially/experimentally.

Some states require proof of residency.

vinegarboy Apr 7th 2021 10:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12992510)
Some states require proof of residency.

In order to register per the state's official system in order to be able to book an appointment to be vaccinated; but in actual found fact on-the-ground anyone off the street with an ID (American or foreign) can just go to a vaccination site and volunteer themselves to be the recipient of an end-of-day expiring (temperature-wise) Pfizer shot (& be given a booking for the second shot afterwards). As always, there's no substitute for local knowledge & Canadian initiative/gumption to '"get 'er done."

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 7th 2021 11:22 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by vinegarboy (Post 12992506)
Those who've travelled down to the U.S. are currently receiving their two shots in the U.S., for free, & within the mfr-recommended number of weeks between shots; and they certainly won't require any of the dose inventory back home in Canada. So they'll be returning home fully vaccinated not partially/experimentally.

If it wasn't a pain to get back into Canada, I would travel to California in May, but the return to Canada with hotel, testing, and quarantine and costs not sure its worth it for me, the costs for the hotel seem rather steep.

The article was about travel within BC mainly, so nobody was travelling for vaccines but for leisure over the long weekend.

Canucks team 21 players positive + 4 staff members, all confirmed to have a variant but the variant isn't known yet.

https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/can...te/c-323372680

vinegarboy Apr 7th 2021 11:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12992520)
If it wasn't a pain to get back into Canada, I would travel to California in May, but the return to Canada with hotel, testing, and quarantine and costs not sure its worth it for me, the costs for the hotel seem rather steep.

The article was about travel within BC mainly, so nobody was travelling for vaccines but for leisure over the long weekend.

Canucks team 21 players positive + 4 staff members, all confirmed to have a variant but the variant isn't known yet.

https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/can...te/c-323372680

Don't worry, as it looks as though the Americans will be awash with excess vaccine inventory within just a couple of months, at which point I can easily see them sending trucks of the stuff North to help us out. It'd just be the neighbourly thing to do, and were the situation reversed I'm sure that we'd have done likewise for them (and for Mexico etc., too). So sit tight, stay safe, and just hang in there.

caretaker Apr 7th 2021 11:48 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12992520)
Canucks team 21 players positive + 4 staff members, all confirmed to have a variant but the variant isn't known yet.

If they don't come up with it right away it will be The Hockey Strain or The Canucks Strain, and there isn't anything they can do about it.

printer Apr 8th 2021 1:37 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by DartManson (Post 12992437)
All we can do now is stay at home and wear masks if we have to go out. All trips to the street should be reduced to a minimum time. I don't even go out for groceries right now, I order delivery. After I receive the products, I treat the packages with antiseptic and I move the product itself to another container. You need to protect yourself more

If you are living in India maybe. Come on its one thing being careful and wearing a mask when inside but wiping packaging and transferring stuff? I am not aware of any specific data that suggests touching groceries or other stuff is causing spread or illness. I believe this is still a very limited possibility that was initially a concern but has since dropped down the list of potential threats.

Siouxie Apr 8th 2021 3:28 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by printer (Post 12992536)
If you are living in India maybe. Come on its one thing being careful and wearing a mask when inside but wiping packaging and transferring stuff? I am not aware of any specific data that suggests touching groceries or other stuff is causing spread or illness. I believe this is still a very limited possibility that was initially a concern but has since dropped down the list of potential threats.

i also wipe down all groceries - and have done since this started even though apparently it's no longer thought absolutely necessary - I just feel better doing so, thinking of all the people who have potentially handled it.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7330213/c...faces-experts/
:)


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