Growing financial crisis in Europe???
Feb 21st 2010, 11:42 pm
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Re: Growing financial crisis in Europe???
And I ain't sayin which ones are the evil guys. Ends in people chucking their teddies out of their prams and going for an Oscar.
Feb 21st 2010, 11:44 pm
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Re: Growing financial crisis in Europe???
Naturally. BE summed up in a nutshell. So really, the people that can allow themselves a small smile are the ones happy with their lot. This is an end state and philosophy, if simple, I feel forced to conclude most of the time. Anything else is a distraction and results in the usual arguments which take over most of these threads. Why do we keep discussing them - it's the very stuff of said philosophy.
Who is on a slightly stickier wicket - people arguing their right to be happy, or people arguing their right to be morose? It baffles me - still....let me tell you what I think - I'd rather be happy..and I'd rather that everyone was too.
(Did I just imply you weren't? Dear me..!.)
Who is on a slightly stickier wicket - people arguing their right to be happy, or people arguing their right to be morose? It baffles me - still....let me tell you what I think - I'd rather be happy..and I'd rather that everyone was too.
(Did I just imply you weren't? Dear me..!.)
(Mate)
Looking at it from an unbiased perspective, it does seem that some people either arrive here somewhat unwillingly, eg on the coat tails of a partner or family. It seems that this brings out a degree of animosity towards Australia that maybe they would not have had.
I sometime wonder if they are as negative about Australia in discussions with their partners – and if they are, how the partners handle the negativity. Maybe the discussions don’t happen, maybe they do and the partner shrugs it off.
Either way, its not pleasant to see fellow countrymen in distress.
Another alternative is people who move here, and then find themselves financially trapped for one reason or another. I would have thought that if they had managed the major migration one way, going back, where a support network of family and friends exist, must be easier.
I do harbour a feeling that some people are trapped purely by pride. No one wants to return and tell family and friends “I couldn’t make a go if it”.
If pride keeps people here, then they have no right to be bitter.
This isn’t attacking anyone, just a personal observation.
But what does annoy me, is the waste of good visas by people who arrive here without really thinking about it, and they spend time rubbishing Australia and wanting to go home.
For every Englishman living here unhappily, I can find you 1000 good people in Asia who want to make a new life here. These are people who live in conditions far harder then in either the UK or Australia. They are denied the chance, as others take the opportunity and then turn bitter about it.
Just my thoughts.
Feb 21st 2010, 11:54 pm
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Re: Growing financial crisis in Europe???
But why do we have people living in Australia - for extended periods of time, returning to the UK for holidays etc, and still complaining bitterly about how unhappy they are here?
Feb 22nd 2010, 12:01 am
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Re: Growing financial crisis in Europe???
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Looking at it from an unbiased perspective, it does seem that some people either arrive here somewhat unwillingly, eg on the coat tails of a partner or family. It seems that this brings out a degree of animosity towards Australia that maybe they would not have had.
I sometime wonder if they are as negative about Australia in discussions with their partners – and if they are, how the partners handle the negativity. Maybe the discussions don’t happen, maybe they do and the partner shrugs it off.
Either way, its not pleasant to see fellow countrymen in distress.
Another alternative is people who move here, and then find themselves financially trapped for one reason or another. I would have thought that if they had managed the major migration one way, going back, where a support network of family and friends exist, must be easier.
I do harbour a feeling that some people are trapped purely by pride. No one wants to return and tell family and friends “I couldn’t make a go if it”.
If pride keeps people here, then they have no right to be bitter.
This isn’t attacking anyone, just a personal observation.
But what does annoy me, is the waste of good visas by people who arrive here without really thinking about it, and they spend time rubbishing Australia and wanting to go home.
For every Englishman living here unhappily, I can find you 1000 good people in Asia who want to make a new life here. These are people who live in conditions far harder then in either the UK or Australia. They are denied the chance, as others take the opportunity and then turn bitter about it.
Just my thoughts.
Looking at it from an unbiased perspective, it does seem that some people either arrive here somewhat unwillingly, eg on the coat tails of a partner or family. It seems that this brings out a degree of animosity towards Australia that maybe they would not have had.
I sometime wonder if they are as negative about Australia in discussions with their partners – and if they are, how the partners handle the negativity. Maybe the discussions don’t happen, maybe they do and the partner shrugs it off.
Either way, its not pleasant to see fellow countrymen in distress.
Another alternative is people who move here, and then find themselves financially trapped for one reason or another. I would have thought that if they had managed the major migration one way, going back, where a support network of family and friends exist, must be easier.
I do harbour a feeling that some people are trapped purely by pride. No one wants to return and tell family and friends “I couldn’t make a go if it”.
If pride keeps people here, then they have no right to be bitter.
This isn’t attacking anyone, just a personal observation.
But what does annoy me, is the waste of good visas by people who arrive here without really thinking about it, and they spend time rubbishing Australia and wanting to go home.
For every Englishman living here unhappily, I can find you 1000 good people in Asia who want to make a new life here. These are people who live in conditions far harder then in either the UK or Australia. They are denied the chance, as others take the opportunity and then turn bitter about it.
Just my thoughts.
I'd like to meet most of the truly negative people. I reckon a lot of information would come out in the wash within minutes, depending on the candour of the person. Infact, also I believe that some of the issues would turn out to be ridiculously circumstantial, (but not trivial by any means) and very, very personal too : eg. abuse, (G put us on to that one), divorce, relationship breakdown, reliance on booze, smokes, loss of reputation, problems at work, unfortunate decisions, disability, family breakdown, children not settling at school, educational problems, skill mismatches, social adjustment ....nothing to do with the fact that Australia gets hot at all..or what can be bought in the supermarket...or how many buildings there are over 150 years old. Occasionally (rarely) posters open up and it can make for sobering reading. You're an ex serving member of the Armed Forces - you would have seen it all and dealt with, and counselled accordingly.
Feb 22nd 2010, 12:06 am
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Re: Growing financial crisis in Europe???
Might take time, and a bit of planning of course, just like the move out in the first place.
After all, if jobs and money is good - it could be viable.
There might be a bizarre situation where although friends and family is missed, and aspects of UK life craved for, that the finances are quite good here, (after 10 years say) and that there is a comfort zone of sorts. it might be the comfort zone that is the issue. If no comfort zone, what to lose? In the final analysis, of course.
Feb 22nd 2010, 12:10 am
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Re: Growing financial crisis in Europe???
Sounds like it's time for a group hug again (())
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Feb 22nd 2010, 12:12 am
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Feb 22nd 2010, 12:55 am
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Re: Growing financial crisis in Europe???
I see spaces before commas....
All this chat about defensiveness. At the end of the day there are people who do well in Australia - never forget that - regardless of whether it allows them to escape their council home or whether it works for them. I think it is more restrictive, quite sad, that people don't believe this is possible. I wonder who are the victims sometimes, the people nursing their sores.
But if people are better off in the UK - go get it..
All this chat about defensiveness. At the end of the day there are people who do well in Australia - never forget that - regardless of whether it allows them to escape their council home or whether it works for them. I think it is more restrictive, quite sad, that people don't believe this is possible. I wonder who are the victims sometimes, the people nursing their sores.
But if people are better off in the UK - go get it..
Feb 22nd 2010, 2:25 am
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Re: Growing financial crisis in Europe???
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Feb 22nd 2010, 8:12 am
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Re: Growing financial crisis in Europe???
Some people are happiest when they are moaning. I am sure that when they lived in the UK they were moaning about things.
