Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
May 9th 2006, 12:41 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Originally Posted by Henry Phillips
Hi Roger
I have just read your email and found it interesting, would you mind looking at our house no.30, Manzannao 5, while you are there on the 11th May, we last saw it in November, but the garden was not finished. I am interested on how it is looking now, a photo would be appreciated.
Thanking you in anticipation.
Kind regards
Henry Phillips
I have just read your email and found it interesting, would you mind looking at our house no.30, Manzannao 5, while you are there on the 11th May, we last saw it in November, but the garden was not finished. I am interested on how it is looking now, a photo would be appreciated.
Thanking you in anticipation.
Kind regards
Henry Phillips
I would be pleased to do this for you if allowed the time on site, we were told to get off site last time we visited and felt quite intimidated. I will have a go for you.
Regards
Roger
May 9th 2006, 1:02 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Originally Posted by Henry Phillips
Hi Roger
I have just read your email and found it interesting, would you mind looking at our house no.30, Manzannao 5, while you are there on the 11th May, we last saw it in November, but the garden was not finished. I am interested on how it is looking now, a photo would be appreciated.
Thanking you in anticipation.
Kind regards
Henry Phillips
I have just read your email and found it interesting, would you mind looking at our house no.30, Manzannao 5, while you are there on the 11th May, we last saw it in November, but the garden was not finished. I am interested on how it is looking now, a photo would be appreciated.
Thanking you in anticipation.
Kind regards
Henry Phillips
May 9th 2006, 1:13 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Originally Posted by jdr
You would be better to PM your addresses to each other rather than letting the world know you are not at home
Many thanks
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May 9th 2006, 1:17 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Originally Posted by Henry Phillips
We are new at this would you mind letting us know want does PM mean ?
Many thanks
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Henry Phillips
Many thanks
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Henry Phillips
http://britishexpats.com/forum/faq.p..._vb_pm_explain
May 9th 2006, 1:42 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Originally Posted by JS&SS
Very sorry to hear of the trials & tribulations you are all suffering at the moment.
We've just returned from 6 weeks on Esuri, we completed on our Rago 2 apartment as we drove through the Pyrenees on the 12 hour journey from Santander - Everything was looking rosey.
Unfortunately after a straight forward journey, we arrived at our solicitors to find that we had been ripped off to the tune of 3500 euro's by a representative of the estate agent we purchased through.
Our solicitor is attempting to get this money as I write but has promised to reimburse us himself should his efforts fail.
We spent the next couple of weeks in Ikea, Carrefour, Leroy Merlin etc furnishing the apartment & although our Spanish is basic to say the least everything went very well, all items arrived when they said it would etc.
Delivery charges:- Ikeas' delivery charge is based on the amount you spend, we spent approx 2000 euro's & incurred a 175 euro delivery charge. Carrefour didn't charge anything to delivery a load of garden furniture & Ferrars electrical shop in Ayamonte not only delivered white goods etc FOC but unpacked everything, plugged everything in to make sure all was well & then took the packaging away!
As for the apartment itself, perhaps having experience in the building industry has taught me not to expect perfection. So when we discovered the front door to the apartment wouldn't lock or one of the Wc's took 2 hours to refill after flushing it didn't come as too much of a shock. But spending six weeks on site does have its advantages, it meant we were able to constantly remind the Fadesa girls in the shed of our problems which were rectified in due course, mainly due to the fact that they were sick & tired of seeing us walk through the door every day.
Main items unresolved at the moment :- No lift, no TV signal, intercom to main door not working, we were also unable to get a land line (Telefonica).
You may think from all this that we are dissapointed with our purchase - FAR FROM IT.
The apartment is finished to a decent level & everything in it works as it should. The surrounding areas around the apartments will be great given time to mature. On the downside golf 1 is still miles away from being playable although we did see a couple of greens being laid during our stay.
The moral of the story:
1) Don't buy through an agent who may or may not have a number in their title and may or may not have their office off one of the squares in Ayamonte.
2) Don't complete until your snagging has been done to your satisfaction unless your DIY skills are OK.
3) Keep persevering as its all gonna be worth it in the end (see photo)
nb. As we came away Fadesa posted notices on all Rago 2 entrance doors stating that the electricity they were supplying would cease on 29/4/06.
Sorry for waffling
Dave & Trish
We've just returned from 6 weeks on Esuri, we completed on our Rago 2 apartment as we drove through the Pyrenees on the 12 hour journey from Santander - Everything was looking rosey.
Unfortunately after a straight forward journey, we arrived at our solicitors to find that we had been ripped off to the tune of 3500 euro's by a representative of the estate agent we purchased through.
Our solicitor is attempting to get this money as I write but has promised to reimburse us himself should his efforts fail.
We spent the next couple of weeks in Ikea, Carrefour, Leroy Merlin etc furnishing the apartment & although our Spanish is basic to say the least everything went very well, all items arrived when they said it would etc.
Delivery charges:- Ikeas' delivery charge is based on the amount you spend, we spent approx 2000 euro's & incurred a 175 euro delivery charge. Carrefour didn't charge anything to delivery a load of garden furniture & Ferrars electrical shop in Ayamonte not only delivered white goods etc FOC but unpacked everything, plugged everything in to make sure all was well & then took the packaging away!
As for the apartment itself, perhaps having experience in the building industry has taught me not to expect perfection. So when we discovered the front door to the apartment wouldn't lock or one of the Wc's took 2 hours to refill after flushing it didn't come as too much of a shock. But spending six weeks on site does have its advantages, it meant we were able to constantly remind the Fadesa girls in the shed of our problems which were rectified in due course, mainly due to the fact that they were sick & tired of seeing us walk through the door every day.
Main items unresolved at the moment :- No lift, no TV signal, intercom to main door not working, we were also unable to get a land line (Telefonica).
You may think from all this that we are dissapointed with our purchase - FAR FROM IT.
The apartment is finished to a decent level & everything in it works as it should. The surrounding areas around the apartments will be great given time to mature. On the downside golf 1 is still miles away from being playable although we did see a couple of greens being laid during our stay.
The moral of the story:
1) Don't buy through an agent who may or may not have a number in their title and may or may not have their office off one of the squares in Ayamonte.
2) Don't complete until your snagging has been done to your satisfaction unless your DIY skills are OK.
3) Keep persevering as its all gonna be worth it in the end (see photo)
nb. As we came away Fadesa posted notices on all Rago 2 entrance doors stating that the electricity they were supplying would cease on 29/4/06.
Sorry for waffling
Dave & Trish
have a funny feeling we have used the same estate agent. Have sent you a PM.
Sue & John[/QUOTE]
The agent wasnt ''Superior was it???
May 9th 2006, 2:12 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Hi Carol&John,
I think the Communidad is formed for each development area ie RMA-1, RVA-4, RAGO-2 etc. These then appoint their President and Manager and the manager is the "professional" who takes care of the buildings and the external works including the pool. They then may get together to appoint a specialist pool maintenance contractor.
Eons ago I posted on the three certificates your house must have before it can be legally occupied, the most important being the "License de Obra" and there was also a certificate for the electrical installation and the third slips my mind just now. These are national requirements and signing the Escritura without them is always a risk as the Chiclana thread demonstrates.
You are quite right H&S and Disabled access are separate issues. I don't think that anyone has shown that the communal areas do not comply with H&S requirements. There are doubts about the pools complying with the latest requirements for disabled access but as I suggested some time ago the simplest and cheapest solution would be a hoist which could be fitted retrospectively but best done before handover by Fadesa.
Odd but three years in I am still waiting for my first communication, apart from the receipt flimsy, from Fadesa on anything to do with CE.
Regards,
John.
I think the Communidad is formed for each development area ie RMA-1, RVA-4, RAGO-2 etc. These then appoint their President and Manager and the manager is the "professional" who takes care of the buildings and the external works including the pool. They then may get together to appoint a specialist pool maintenance contractor.
Eons ago I posted on the three certificates your house must have before it can be legally occupied, the most important being the "License de Obra" and there was also a certificate for the electrical installation and the third slips my mind just now. These are national requirements and signing the Escritura without them is always a risk as the Chiclana thread demonstrates.
You are quite right H&S and Disabled access are separate issues. I don't think that anyone has shown that the communal areas do not comply with H&S requirements. There are doubts about the pools complying with the latest requirements for disabled access but as I suggested some time ago the simplest and cheapest solution would be a hoist which could be fitted retrospectively but best done before handover by Fadesa.
Odd but three years in I am still waiting for my first communication, apart from the receipt flimsy, from Fadesa on anything to do with CE.
Regards,
John.
Originally Posted by Carol&John
Buenos dias a todos,
Thanks Mel for the interesting information of a "community manager" for the pools. Is this only for Manzana 2 in the Townhouses?
The "License of 1st Occupation" appears to be (from Loco's post, and from reading the Chiclana saga) a fundamental document necessary prior to signing the completion papers. Why else would you be advised to consult your solicitor? And, why should it be any different in Chiclana or Ayamonte? (Just thinking aloud here, Mel, not directing these questions at you personally.
Re: Health & Safety and Disabled Access.
I am thinking now, having read John's post, that these are separate issues: both important, but not to be confused with each other. I understand and agree that H & S is the ongoing responsibility of each "comunidad". Hopefully Fadesa has installed smooth & clear walkways, non-slip surfaces, etc (there will be a list of things necessary to make a place safe) in the pool areas. The "comunidad" will set rules, hire a lifeguard, and so on to comply with the H & S regulations.
As far as disabled access is concerned (and I'm only picturing in my mind the pueblo andaluz), there are no lifts. However, ramps can be installed (perhaps these ramps are already in place) for ground level access to the pool area. I do not know if the large pool has a shallow end, but to build "roman steps" into the pool (as an afterthought by the "comunidad") would seem unnecessary when a mechanical/manually operated hoist at the side of the pool might be just as effective. This would be paid for by the "comunidad". The timescale might be years from now; how long does it take to implement EU regulations throughout Spain?
My last thought concerns my dealings with Fadesa. No amount of personal fax/telephone call bombardment to La Coruna or the shed will make one bit of difference, because this is a complaint against the psyche of a national corporation. A certified letter from a solicitor to both La Coruna and UK offices with a list of my concerns/complaints is in order.
Hasta luego mis esurianos,
Carol
P.S. Denh, I could not download the file about pool regulations, sorry.
Thanks Mel for the interesting information of a "community manager" for the pools. Is this only for Manzana 2 in the Townhouses?
The "License of 1st Occupation" appears to be (from Loco's post, and from reading the Chiclana saga) a fundamental document necessary prior to signing the completion papers. Why else would you be advised to consult your solicitor? And, why should it be any different in Chiclana or Ayamonte? (Just thinking aloud here, Mel, not directing these questions at you personally.
Re: Health & Safety and Disabled Access.
I am thinking now, having read John's post, that these are separate issues: both important, but not to be confused with each other. I understand and agree that H & S is the ongoing responsibility of each "comunidad". Hopefully Fadesa has installed smooth & clear walkways, non-slip surfaces, etc (there will be a list of things necessary to make a place safe) in the pool areas. The "comunidad" will set rules, hire a lifeguard, and so on to comply with the H & S regulations.
As far as disabled access is concerned (and I'm only picturing in my mind the pueblo andaluz), there are no lifts. However, ramps can be installed (perhaps these ramps are already in place) for ground level access to the pool area. I do not know if the large pool has a shallow end, but to build "roman steps" into the pool (as an afterthought by the "comunidad") would seem unnecessary when a mechanical/manually operated hoist at the side of the pool might be just as effective. This would be paid for by the "comunidad". The timescale might be years from now; how long does it take to implement EU regulations throughout Spain?
My last thought concerns my dealings with Fadesa. No amount of personal fax/telephone call bombardment to La Coruna or the shed will make one bit of difference, because this is a complaint against the psyche of a national corporation. A certified letter from a solicitor to both La Coruna and UK offices with a list of my concerns/complaints is in order.
Hasta luego mis esurianos,
Carol
P.S. Denh, I could not download the file about pool regulations, sorry.
May 9th 2006, 3:39 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Originally Posted by John & Kath
Hi Carol&John,
I think the Communidad is formed for each development area ie RMA-1, RVA-4, RAGO-2 etc. These then appoint their President and Manager and the manager is the "professional" who takes care of the buildings and the external works including the pool. They then may get together to appoint a specialist pool maintenance contractor.
Eons ago I posted on the three certificates your house must have before it can be legally occupied, the most important being the "License de Obra" and there was also a certificate for the electrical installation and the third slips my mind just now. These are national requirements and signing the Escritura without them is always a risk as the Chiclana thread demonstrates.
You are quite right H&S and Disabled access are separate issues. I don't think that anyone has shown that the communal areas do not comply with H&S requirements. There are doubts about the pools complying with the latest requirements for disabled access but as I suggested some time ago the simplest and cheapest solution would be a hoist which could be fitted retrospectively but best done before handover by Fadesa.
Odd but three years in I am still waiting for my first communication, apart from the receipt flimsy, from Fadesa on anything to do with CE.
Regards,
John.
I think the Communidad is formed for each development area ie RMA-1, RVA-4, RAGO-2 etc. These then appoint their President and Manager and the manager is the "professional" who takes care of the buildings and the external works including the pool. They then may get together to appoint a specialist pool maintenance contractor.
Eons ago I posted on the three certificates your house must have before it can be legally occupied, the most important being the "License de Obra" and there was also a certificate for the electrical installation and the third slips my mind just now. These are national requirements and signing the Escritura without them is always a risk as the Chiclana thread demonstrates.
You are quite right H&S and Disabled access are separate issues. I don't think that anyone has shown that the communal areas do not comply with H&S requirements. There are doubts about the pools complying with the latest requirements for disabled access but as I suggested some time ago the simplest and cheapest solution would be a hoist which could be fitted retrospectively but best done before handover by Fadesa.
Odd but three years in I am still waiting for my first communication, apart from the receipt flimsy, from Fadesa on anything to do with CE.
Regards,
John.
As a relative newcomer to the site I am still learning - some of you are so full of really useful information (and particularly since I am bound to experience some of the doom and gloom and sharp practice you have highlighted) but I cannot seem to find a way to bookmark the posts I want to keep - I cannot see the search facility being that useful - anyone help?
Carol
May 9th 2006, 3:57 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Originally Posted by billybassett
Sorry Jon,
forgot you asked for the address details. When I complained I sent my letter by post and e-mail (as an attachment) to Fadesa UK, 96-98 Baker Street, London, W1U 6TJ. E-Mail [email protected]
They responded very quickly and forwarded my letter on to the shed and to their Head Office.
I also copied my letter to their HQ in Coruna : Av. Alfonso Molina, S/n Edificio F 15008 La Coruña. E-Mail [email protected]
I think the shed address is: MARKETING SUITE
Finca Las Cabezuelas. Autovía Sevilla-Portugal. Salida Ayamonte Norte.
21400-Huelva.
Hope this helps,
Karen
forgot you asked for the address details. When I complained I sent my letter by post and e-mail (as an attachment) to Fadesa UK, 96-98 Baker Street, London, W1U 6TJ. E-Mail [email protected]
They responded very quickly and forwarded my letter on to the shed and to their Head Office.
I also copied my letter to their HQ in Coruna : Av. Alfonso Molina, S/n Edificio F 15008 La Coruña. E-Mail [email protected]
I think the shed address is: MARKETING SUITE
Finca Las Cabezuelas. Autovía Sevilla-Portugal. Salida Ayamonte Norte.
21400-Huelva.
Hope this helps,
Karen
I would like to have a name very high up in Fadesa, like the CEO, Head of Marketing and Comms etc. If anyone has sent in a big complaint and someone senior has had the decency to respond I'd appreciate the name. The problem with the shed and the general addresses we see is that the issue stays at a low level - when we communicate.
I think there have been enough complaints now that already the higher echelons have heard, (like the terrace issue) but if we start contacting them directly with genuine and understandable complaints - maybe something will be done. Maybe they are human and compassionate.
No I havent been smoking or doing this
(too much) and I live in hope!!Thanks again for all the responses to my query - there are some great people on this forum that I look forward to having a drink with......... one day!!
Thanks
Jon
May 9th 2006, 4:03 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
...but I cannot seem to find a way to bookmark the posts I want to keep - I cannot see the search facility being that useful - anyone help?
Carol
Carol
It would be an excellent idea to have a bookmark facility! But, so far I don't know if one exists. Normally, I print and save on paper file any useful information. If you click on each person's name (top left), a menu drops down and you can select to view all the posts from that particular person. Many people have provided useful information on this thread and elsewhere. If it's the regulations/documentation you are after, then click on John&Kath's name, for example. The search facility for this particular thread can be helpful, but only if you key in the correct keywords, and have the patience to scroll through the results. Same goes for the "search the forum". I have only recently looked at the "Articles" (top menu next to Discussion Forum), with several interesting articles about Spain and elsewhere.
Happy reading!
Regards,
Carol
May 9th 2006, 4:10 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl
Thanks EVERYBODY for the addresses etc.
I would like to have a name very high up in Fadesa, like the CEO, Head of Marketing and Comms etc...
I would like to have a name very high up in Fadesa, like the CEO, Head of Marketing and Comms etc...
Didn't someone post a female name like Belen ? Need to scroll back...
Re: Fadesa. The more we stamp our feet, the less they will listen. (Save it for your flamenco classes...) It needs to go via the correct channels.
Regards,
Carol
May 9th 2006, 4:41 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
[QUOTE=John & Kath]...I think the Communidad is formed for each development area ie RMA-1, RVA-4, RAGO-2 etc. These then appoint their President and Manager and the manager is the "professional" who takes care of the buildings and the external works including the pool. They then may get together to appoint a specialist pool maintenance contractor.[Quote]
Hello again John,
Am I correct in thinking that there is a "comunidad" is for each manzana in each area? For example, within RMA-1 Pueblo Andaluz, there will be 7 "comunidades"? Each comunidad is headed by the 2 people you've mentioned (one or both being a Fadesa employee?), and there is a committee, too. (I am assuming the committee is elected from the residents' group.)
[Quote]...You are quite right H&S and Disabled access are separate issues. I don't think that anyone has shown that the communal areas do not comply with H&S requirements. There are doubts about the pools complying with the latest requirements for disabled access but as I suggested some time ago the simplest and cheapest solution would be a hoist which could be fitted retrospectively but best done before handover by Fadesa.[Quote]
Yes, I agree that there may not be an issue over H & S for the pool area. Who really knows? These things seem to change so regularly. And, yes, in a fair and considerate world, it would be nice if Fadesa did install (perhaps they have? But they haven't told us this?) all the latest measures for disabled access before handover, but...The clock is ticking away, and people want into their homes. It's understandable. Perhaps the Fadesa president in each comunidad would have this as top of his agenda?
Hello again John,
Am I correct in thinking that there is a "comunidad" is for each manzana in each area? For example, within RMA-1 Pueblo Andaluz, there will be 7 "comunidades"? Each comunidad is headed by the 2 people you've mentioned (one or both being a Fadesa employee?), and there is a committee, too. (I am assuming the committee is elected from the residents' group.)
[Quote]...You are quite right H&S and Disabled access are separate issues. I don't think that anyone has shown that the communal areas do not comply with H&S requirements. There are doubts about the pools complying with the latest requirements for disabled access but as I suggested some time ago the simplest and cheapest solution would be a hoist which could be fitted retrospectively but best done before handover by Fadesa.[Quote]
Yes, I agree that there may not be an issue over H & S for the pool area. Who really knows? These things seem to change so regularly. And, yes, in a fair and considerate world, it would be nice if Fadesa did install (perhaps they have? But they haven't told us this?) all the latest measures for disabled access before handover, but...The clock is ticking away, and people want into their homes. It's understandable. Perhaps the Fadesa president in each comunidad would have this as top of his agenda?
May 9th 2006, 4:57 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Jon,
Here you go.
Manuel Jove Capellán Executive Chairman and the 248th richest person in the world.
María Felipa Jove Santos First Deputy Chairman
Manuel Jove Santos Second Deputy Chairman
José Luis Macía Sarmiento Group Managing Director
The Board also has three Non Executive "Independant" Directors on it. They are José Luis Suárez Barragato, Joaquín Sánchez-Izquierdo Aguirre and José María Castellano Ríos.
And I have been both smoking and drinking so I think I will change my name to Jove and claim to be their long lost relative or better still propose to María Felipa
Regards
Loco
Here you go.
Manuel Jove Capellán Executive Chairman and the 248th richest person in the world.
María Felipa Jove Santos First Deputy Chairman
Manuel Jove Santos Second Deputy Chairman
José Luis Macía Sarmiento Group Managing Director
The Board also has three Non Executive "Independant" Directors on it. They are José Luis Suárez Barragato, Joaquín Sánchez-Izquierdo Aguirre and José María Castellano Ríos.
And I have been both smoking and drinking so I think I will change my name to Jove and claim to be their long lost relative or better still propose to María Felipa
Regards
Loco
Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl
Thanks EVERYBODY for the addresses etc.
I would like to have a name very high up in Fadesa, like the CEO, Head of Marketing and Comms etc. If anyone has sent in a big complaint and someone senior has had the decency to respond I'd appreciate the name. The problem with the shed and the general addresses we see is that the issue stays at a low level - when we communicate.
I think there have been enough complaints now that already the higher echelons have heard, (like the terrace issue) but if we start contacting them directly with genuine and understandable complaints - maybe something will be done. Maybe they are human and compassionate.
No I havent been smoking or doing this (too much) and I live in hope!!
Thanks again for all the responses to my query - there are some great people on this forum that I look forward to having a drink with......... one day!!
Thanks
Jon
I would like to have a name very high up in Fadesa, like the CEO, Head of Marketing and Comms etc. If anyone has sent in a big complaint and someone senior has had the decency to respond I'd appreciate the name. The problem with the shed and the general addresses we see is that the issue stays at a low level - when we communicate.
I think there have been enough complaints now that already the higher echelons have heard, (like the terrace issue) but if we start contacting them directly with genuine and understandable complaints - maybe something will be done. Maybe they are human and compassionate.
No I havent been smoking or doing this
(too much) and I live in hope!!Thanks again for all the responses to my query - there are some great people on this forum that I look forward to having a drink with......... one day!!
Thanks
Jon
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May 9th 2006, 5:08 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl
Thanks EVERYBODY for the addresses etc.
I would like to have a name very high up in Fadesa, like the CEO, Head of Marketing and Comms etc. If anyone has sent in a big complaint and someone senior has had the decency to respond I'd appreciate the name. The problem with the shed and the general addresses we see is that the issue stays at a low level - when we communicate.
I think there have been enough complaints now that already the higher echelons have heard, (like the terrace issue) but if we start contacting them directly with genuine and understandable complaints - maybe something will be done. Maybe they are human and compassionate.
No I havent been smoking or doing this (too much) and I live in hope!!
Thanks again for all the responses to my query - there are some great people on this forum that I look forward to having a drink with......... one day!!
Thanks
Jon
I would like to have a name very high up in Fadesa, like the CEO, Head of Marketing and Comms etc. If anyone has sent in a big complaint and someone senior has had the decency to respond I'd appreciate the name. The problem with the shed and the general addresses we see is that the issue stays at a low level - when we communicate.
I think there have been enough complaints now that already the higher echelons have heard, (like the terrace issue) but if we start contacting them directly with genuine and understandable complaints - maybe something will be done. Maybe they are human and compassionate.
No I havent been smoking or doing this
(too much) and I live in hope!!Thanks again for all the responses to my query - there are some great people on this forum that I look forward to having a drink with......... one day!!
Thanks
Jon
At the general shareholders meeting, on the 9th of March, the FADESA Board of Directors will propose Borja de la Cierva Alvarez de Sotomayor as FADESAs new Chief Executive. He will replace José Luis Maciá Sarmiento who has held the position since June 2002.
Borja de la Cierva, a 44 year old native of Pontevedra, was until now General Finance Director at Inditex, the company he joined as assistant to the Chief Executive Officer in 1995. In 2000 he was appointed Group Financial Director, and in August 2005 General Finance Director. He has also been a member of Inditex Management Committee and Business Committee .
He was Manager of the Arthur Andersen (now Deloitte) office in La Coruña between 1987 and 1994.
I have read that shortly after this announcement, he turned down the job due to disagreement about the direction that the company was heading in?
FADESA GROUP: Belén Rey Asensio, Communications Director
Tel. 981 17 92 00; 981 17 92 38 Fax. 981 17 00 50. [email protected]
A restructure has recently taken place with the following names being the top people.
La Coruña. 3rd April 2006. FADESA Group has carried out a whole renewal of its Management Team by the creation of an Executive Council and five new General Directions in direct dependence on the CEO. To meet this position, the Board of FADESA will propose the General Stockholders' Meeting of the next 9th May the appointment of Antonio de la Morena Pardo as new CEO of the company.
Antonio de la Morena (Madrid, 1944) was so far General Director of Development of FADESA. Architect, De la Morena has developed the most of his career within the company, where –since 1994- has worked at several Management positions like Director of the Office of Projects or General Director of Real Estate Area. Besides, he has worked before at other companies like Arktec or Austin Company.
The new Executive Council will be made up of four Executive Directors with utmost responsibility over the Real Estate business of the FADESA Group: the Executive Direction of Development, the Executive Direction of Architecture and Engineering, the Executive Direction of Control and Construction and the Executive Commercial Direction. All these Executive Directions, except the Commercial one which will be joined by a new Manager soon, will be held by professionals working at FADESA during the last years and with a thorough and in-depth knowledge of its business model.
Thus, the Executive Direction of Development will be assumed by Bernardino Hernández (Madrid, 40). Architect, he works at FADESA since 1997. Within the company, he has been Chief of the Office of Projects, Director of Architecture and General Director of Architecture and Engineering, position that he has held till today. The search and management of the land portfolio of the Real Estate Group will be among his new tasks as Executive Director of Development.
The Executive Direction of Architecture and Engineering will be carried out by Joaquín San Juan (Lerida, 42). Working at FADESA since 1996, firstly as architect in the Office of Projects and later on as Director of Architecture, he will be in charge of coordinating all the team of architects, engineers, draughts men and urban developers who prepare all the architectural and planning projects of the Real Estate group.
The Executive Direction of Control and Construction will be managed by Rocio Díaz (Orense, 37). Rocío Díaz has developed her career at FADESA since 1996. She has worked as architect at the Office of Projects, as Technical Assistant to the President, as Technical Director and as General Director of Construction, position that she has held until now Rocío Díaz will keep the responsibility over all the construction process of the different Real Estate products of FADESA.
Finally, the Executive Commercial Direction will hold a place in the new Executive Council of FADESA. Its manager will join the company soon and will watch over the sales and commercial strategy of the Real Estate Group.
The General Direction of Wealth Exploitation will be run by David Massip (Barcelona, 49). He worked as General Director of Management of Tourist Residences at FADESA and he will drive the Hotels and Tourist Housing activities of the company.
All the above appointees are from within the company, and the reports say that the original new CEO didn't appreciate the internalisation of the company.
Hope the above helps. Sorry, it is a bit long, but you did ask.
Karen
May 9th 2006, 5:14 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Originally Posted by Loco
Jon,
Here you go.
Manuel Jove Capellán Executive Chairman and the 248th richest person in the world.
María Felipa Jove Santos First Deputy Chairman
Manuel Jove Santos Second Deputy Chairman
José Luis Macía Sarmiento Group Managing Director
The Board also has three Non Executive "Independant" Directors on it. They are José Luis Suárez Barragato, Joaquín Sánchez-Izquierdo Aguirre and José María Castellano Ríos.
And I have been both smoking and drinking so I think I will change my name to Jove and claim to be their long lost relative or better still propose to María Felipa
Regards
Loco
Here you go.
Manuel Jove Capellán Executive Chairman and the 248th richest person in the world.
María Felipa Jove Santos First Deputy Chairman
Manuel Jove Santos Second Deputy Chairman
José Luis Macía Sarmiento Group Managing Director
The Board also has three Non Executive "Independant" Directors on it. They are José Luis Suárez Barragato, Joaquín Sánchez-Izquierdo Aguirre and José María Castellano Ríos.
And I have been both smoking and drinking so I think I will change my name to Jove and claim to be their long lost relative or better still propose to María Felipa
Regards
Loco
I imagine the Jove's will be "hands off" since Fadesa went public in 2004. Like most Chairmen, they are heads of companies in name, and the real power lies with the Chief Exec's and boards of directors.
The Jove's will most likely be spending their money and adding to the art collections. Can't imagine them paying much attention to our grumblings unfortunately.
Karen
May 9th 2006, 5:32 am
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Re: Ayamonte - Costa Esuri - Part III
Oohh! Karen & Loco you both have been busy! Did this information come from Belen Rey Asensio? No wonder we haven't heard any replies from head office during April and May. With all this reshuffling, who would want to make any decision?
