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Old Aug 21st 2020, 4:42 am
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So what's that, 0.01% of the worlds population? All these things you mention are because of the various government strategies to try and combat the virus they are not a direct result of the virus itself. Lost jobs, closed businesses, people staying indoors, people prevented from seeing loved ones are all because the powers that be said NO and closed everything down and stopped people going out.
Not really. People who die from covid-19 and can't have family members with them in hospital, their deaths were a direct result of the virus, the rule that their family members couldn't be with them when they died is a health strategy which I believe has mostly been relaxed now. These family members still have to wear full PPE, which as I'm sure you'll agree is only sensible. People who are left with long term health problems from covid-19 aren't this way because of a government strategy, they have long term health problems as a direct result of having the virus.

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Politicians in March- Nobody will lose their housing during this pandemic.

Politicians in August- Landlords can resume evicting tenants for being unable to pay rent, but must work a repayment plan for rent not paid between March and August.

How things change in 5 months, guess the pandemic is over and unemployment back to 5%.


Anyhow looks like an earlier article today saying no new deaths in BC was not correct, there were 2 deaths bringing the total deaths to 200.

"More than 4,000 tests were completed in the last 24 hours, Dix said Thursday, and currently just under two per cent of tests are positive."

BC is ramping up capacity for testing and they want to be able to do 20,000 tests per day in the fall, and recommending anyone with cold or flu symptoms even mild ones to get tested. (good to see they are taking flu season into account which will lead to more people needing to be tested since there is no other way to know COVID, or flu.)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...t-20-1.5694237



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Old Aug 21st 2020, 6:23 am
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Not really. People who die from covid-19 and can't have family members with them in hospital, their deaths were a direct result of the virus, the rule that their family members couldn't be with them when they died is a health strategy which I believe has mostly been relaxed now. These family members still have to wear full PPE, which as I'm sure you'll agree is only sensible. People who are left with long term health problems from covid-19 aren't this way because of a government strategy, they have long term health problems as a direct result of having the virus.
True, i was really picking out the other ones mentioned like lost jobs, closed businesses, being evicted etc. So yes whilst there are many that have died or become very ill with it and many left with lasting health problems there are many many others who are only suffering as a result of the governments choices. A local diner to me that was family owned and run and did a great breakfast has folded. Not one of the family or staff members became ill but they had to shut as per the rules in place, sadly they never reopened. The virus had no direct affect on them but the mandated closure did. This, in time, might be the bigger problem as we try to get back to some normal but governments keep shutting things down.
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Old Aug 21st 2020, 12:07 pm
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So what's that, 0.01% of the worlds population? All these things you mention are because of the various government strategies to try and combat the virus they are not a direct result of the virus itself. Lost jobs, closed businesses, people staying indoors, people prevented from seeing loved ones are all because the powers that be said NO and closed everything down and stopped people going out. There is no way that a vaccine will be around for a very long time, years probably so what is the future for all those that choose to wait for a vaccine? Seems very bleak to me. Right now there are still many worried people out there and a lot of faith is being put on masks right now. If we are still seeing spikes and government controls 6 months from now do you not think that the general public will start to lose faith in all these protocols and regulations? I am pretty sure the majority of people are not thinking long term, lets face it pretty much everything that was cancelled this year was just delayed until next Spring/Summer, major events and personal ones like weddings etc. yet do we really and truly believe we will be in a totally different situation next summer? I would love to think we would be but without a cure or vaccine that seems impossible so social life and holidays will become a distant memory
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Not really. People who die from covid-19 and can't have family members with them in hospital, their deaths were a direct result of the virus, the rule that their family members couldn't be with them when they died is a health strategy which I believe has mostly been relaxed now. These family members still have to wear full PPE, which as I'm sure you'll agree is only sensible. People who are left with long term health problems from covid-19 aren't this way because of a government strategy, they have long term health problems as a direct result of having the virus.
That may be true in Australia and that is very unfortunate but not the case here. People who were Covid positive and in palliative/terminal care were allowed to have visitors in hospital, wearing a mask as you said. They did not die alone.

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True, i was really picking out the other ones mentioned like lost jobs, closed businesses, being evicted etc. So yes whilst there are many that have died or become very ill with it and many left with lasting health problems there are many many others who are only suffering as a result of the governments choices. A local diner to me that was family owned and run and did a great breakfast has folded. Not one of the family or staff members became ill but they had to shut as per the rules in place, sadly they never reopened. The virus had no direct affect on them but the mandated closure did. This, in time, might be the bigger problem as we try to get back to some normal but governments keep shutting things down.


Of course there is the 0.01% who get really sick from it as well as the vulnerable population and we want to protect them but the majority of people are just simply inconvenienced by these protocols, and the majority of cases recover with no lasting illness.

A local restaurant where I live that I really liked never opened its doors back up, either.
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Yesterday I was advised that my primary client, a conservative financial institution, will be reopening some offices with limited staff at the end of January, subject to the situation being unchanged. After a pilot they may return to staffing levels approximately 1/3 of what they were before. That's half a year away. This virus really has brought about a sea change.
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It certainly has
my industry may never recover.
Id say that 90% of the people I’ve worked with in the last 6 years no longer have a job. Those of us that remain are trying to figure out how to replicate events that normally host 25000 people.
of course for a lot of companies that simply means not doing them. Which is how I currently find myself working on various future scenarios for our board. Not all of which include me having a job
virtually overnight an entire industry disappears
and at the moment I’m on of the lucky ones... so forgive me if I don’t give a shit about people’s ability to go out and party
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It certainly has
my industry may never recover.
Id say that 90% of the people I’ve worked with in the last 6 years no longer have a job. Those of us that remain are trying to figure out how to replicate events that normally host 25000 people.
of course for a lot of companies that simply means not doing them. Which is how I currently find myself working on various future scenarios for our board. Not all of which include me having a job
virtually overnight an entire industry disappears
and at the moment I’m on of the lucky ones... so forgive me if I don’t give a shit about people’s ability to go out and party
Did you watch the DNC? I thought that showed the future for meetings and conventions. I'm glad I had a few years of the drunkenness and fornication that defined technical conferences but, I suppose, if you actually want to discuss something, it's better to WebEx than to go to Vegas or New Orleans. It's trickier for bribes but not all customers are government departments.

I join you in not giving much of a shit about the agonizing deprivations of those denied access to diners and recreational air travel.
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Did you watch the DNC? I thought that showed the future for meetings and conventions. I'm glad I had a few years of the drunkenness and fornication that defined technical conferences but, I suppose, if you actually want to discuss something, it's better to WebEx than to go to Vegas or New Orleans. It's trickier for bribes but not all customers are government departments.

I join you in not giving much of a shit about the agonizing deprivations of those denied access to diners and recreational air travel.
That is a good point. I never got to experience any of those conferences yet, too young in my career for that. fingers crossed for someday when this BS is all just a distant memory.

I hate webex.
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It certainly has
my industry may never recover.
Id say that 90% of the people I’ve worked with in the last 6 years no longer have a job. Those of us that remain are trying to figure out how to replicate events that normally host 25000 people.
of course for a lot of companies that simply means not doing them. Which is how I currently find myself working on various future scenarios for our board. Not all of which include me having a job
virtually overnight an entire industry disappears
and at the moment I’m on of the lucky ones... so forgive me if I don’t give a shit about people’s ability to go out and party
It killed my job too, because it depended on people gathering in large, multi-use facilities. Not conventions, a charity, but with the same result.
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Did you watch the DNC? I thought that showed the future for meetings and conventions. I'm glad I had a few years of the drunkenness and fornication that defined technical conferences but, I suppose, if you actually want to discuss something, it's better to WebEx than to go to Vegas or New Orleans. It's trickier for bribes but not all customers are government departments.

I join you in not giving much of a shit about the agonizing deprivations of those denied access to diners and recreational air travel.
oh there may be a future in the industry but not for those who physically build booths etc, run power to them , manage in people registrations and the like. Again I'm lucky it looks like i'm going to stay employed, my employer has gone down the retraining route . I'm now more akin to a TV producer!
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oh there may be a future in the industry but not for those who physically build booths etc, run power to them , manage in people registrations and the like. Again I'm lucky it looks like i'm going to stay employed, my employer has gone down the retraining route . I'm now more akin to a TV producer!

When we did shows in union towns, NYC. San Francisco, New Orleans before the union was busted, some others, we'd put the booth together and then pay several hundred dollars for someone to come and plug the power bar into the wall. I am saddened to think that someone with such specialised skills has been sidelined by the pandemic. Where will these people ever find a similar position?
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Did you watch the DNC? I thought that showed the future for meetings and conventions. I'm glad I had a few years of the drunkenness and fornication that defined technical conferences but, I suppose, if you actually want to discuss something, it's better to WebEx than to go to Vegas or New Orleans. It's trickier for bribes but not all customers are government departments.

I join you in not giving much of a shit about the agonizing deprivations of those denied access to diners and recreational air travel.
I'd agree with much of that ...although my experience had less of the fornication but some of the drunkenness... working on the buying stuff end, I've always had the experience that if you want to buy sh1t it's better to set up a 1:1 meeting with a vendor, real or virtual, so that they give you their full attention rather than trying to hurry you off the booth so they can talk to the next customer. There is benefit in being able to see a big bunch of vendors/customers in one spot though & the social networking (cf fornication and drunkenness) is an important aspect & one that is difficult to do over Zoom. I actually think there will be a bit of a swing back to in person gatherings as a backlash if and when we are all vaccinated against Covid but normality as we used to know it is some years away.



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I'd agree with much of that ...although my experience had less of the fornication but some of the drunkenness... working on the buying stuff end, I've always had the experience that if you want to buy sh1t it's better to set up a 1:1 meeting with a vendor, real or virtual, so that they give you their full attention rather than trying to hurry you off the booth so they can talk to the next customer. There is benefit in being able to see a big bunch of vendors/customers in one spot though & the social networking (cf fornication and drunkenness) is an important aspect & one that is difficult to do over Zoom. I actually think there will be a bit of a swing back to in person gatherings as a backlash if and when we are all vaccinated against Covid but normality as we used to know it is some years away.
And then you'll have all the knobheads who will refuse to get the vaccine and prolong this mess.

IMO if they can lay the hammer down and make SD, masks, quarantine mandatory then they can make the vaccine mandatory so we CAN go back to normal. Not "new normal", old normal, real normal
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It certainly has
my industry may never recover.
Id say that 90% of the people I’ve worked with in the last 6 years no longer have a job. Those of us that remain are trying to figure out how to replicate events that normally host 25000 people.
of course for a lot of companies that simply means not doing them. Which is how I currently find myself working on various future scenarios for our board. Not all of which include me having a job
virtually overnight an entire industry disappears
and at the moment I’m on of the lucky ones... so forgive me if I don’t give a shit about people’s ability to go out and party



100% of my old co-workers have lost their job at YVR, sure it was a small company with only 250 employees, but still 250 people who lost their job in a matter of days in March without any warning.

And pretty much anything hotel, convention, tourism, airline industries and those industries who rely on them indirectly are suffering hardcore at the moment with so many people out of work.

The amount of people out of work now vs January is like double, and from experience in the current job market if your out of work, it is really difficult to even get an interview, even for very basic jobs, and based on how fast job ads are being deactivated on indeed, seems employers get overwhelmed with resumes very quickly and pull their ad down sometimes within a couple hours.

Lots of people suffering economically due to loss of employment.







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I'd agree with much of that ...although my experience had less of the fornication but some of the drunkenness... working on the buying stuff end, I've always had the experience that if you want to buy sh1t it's better to set up a 1:1 meeting with a vendor, real or virtual, so that they give you their full attention rather than trying to hurry you off the booth so they can talk to the next customer. There is benefit in being able to see a big bunch of vendors/customers in one spot though & the social networking (cf fornication and drunkenness) is an important aspect & one that is difficult to do over Zoom. I actually think there will be a bit of a swing back to in person gatherings as a backlash if and when we are all vaccinated against Covid but normality as we used to know it is some years away.
The nature of the show depends on the crowd. If it's a defense industry show then there's a lot of overt prostitution, vendors walking around with girls on their arms, that sort of thing. If it's a hardware show then drunkenness is the thing. The goings on at the Mary Kay and Automated Suture conventions, well, I made my excuses and left.
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