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But not be demonstrative enough. My experience of these people is that they want to feel different and want us all to know they are different. Thus a simple, discreet solution would not work.

The majority in these communities has no desire to integrate, and the system in the UK, with everything being changed/reworded/re-constituted to suit them does not encourage them to.

All meat used in Derbyshire schools hospitals and other public buildings is all Halal, and in todays papers I just read that Kellogs Cornflakes will now bw Halal approved...................


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They are also Kosher certified and vegetarian.

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:nod:Andy I just clicked on the url and it brought up the article.:nod
PJ agree with you 100% Each to his own religion but Islam is
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! I get so cross with the way the ladies are treated like cattle. If they live in our country they should obey our rules.

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What a load of cobblers CORNFLAKES: angry_smile: :angry_smile: You must be having a laugh with us J5

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And this is more cobblers what a .... !

http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-worl...2039-23608304/
and the Lord said go forth and multiply :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
Get your knife out Hem.:nod:

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Noni, J5 is just quoting the standard nutrition guide: which states that the product (cornflakes) is certified as Kosher, Halal and vegetarian.

Why is that "cobblers" ? Most vegetarians like to know if any animal oil etc. has been used.

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Gentles,
I'm sure you don't realise how casually racist this and other threads are starting to appear. Cornflakes (off the top of my head) are halal, kosher, vegetarian, vegan, and virtually fat free - but it seems that only one of these descriptions annoys you?
For the last few years there has been a political / media initiative to paint followers of Islam as evil, and some of you seem to have fallen for the indoctrination. There are many aspects of the Islamic religious / social culture that don't accord with liberal western practice and which I find offensive, but most Muslims show the sort of deeply devout religious observation that my (and probably your) grandparents would have recognised and appreciated. They do pray 5 times a day**, they do give alms to the poor, reject usury, attend weekly prayers, and honor their parents. All of these things used to be observed in England.
** Christians also used to pray at regular times during the day, as in Islam, the times of prayers had names: matins; lauds; primes... nones; vespers; compline.

AndyD

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:goodpost:

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Cornflakes and Religion !!!
I don't remember my Grandparents telling of regular daily prayers, other than before you go to sleep. But then C of E is very different to strict Catholic backgrounds, which I can only assume you mean. Devout Catholicism also brings out fanatics, same I assume for Christian. (Ireland)
On the food front http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14779271

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Here come the Boxing Day sales - 21 days early! High street 'panic' as internet stores expect £85million visits today
What is being dubbed Cyber Monday is predicted to be the busiest day of the year for internet shopping.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...on-visits.html

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There is nothing casually racist about criticizing a religion because being critical about a religion is not racist.Islam is a religion of all races so its an impossibility to make a racist comment about.You also make the assumption that religion was very important in Edwardian and Victorian England to ordinary people and that they observed it by attending prayer sessions during the day.They must have had lots of spare time to do this because my awareness of working class people in the UK during the periods i have mentioned was that the working day was often 12 hours long and 6 days a week.Going to Church or Chapel was often the only way of avoiding having to work. Religion was never important to the working classes in the UK , bread was though and filling empty stomachs.The fundamental problems associated with Islam is that it has never gone through the process of self examination in relation to its origins.It has never gone through a period of Reformation, like Christianity did in the 16th and 17th centuries.Reformation produced liberalism and toleration which ultimately led to the birth of science and the world we know today.Islam has never gone through this vital process.Its still locked into medieval and archaic practices which have no place in modern society.Vaginal mutilation and women being treated as subservient to mens wishes, forced marriages for visas.What we are talking about here is the buying and selling of women for profit by men in the name of religion.If you read the Koran there is no mention of Burkas or mutilation, women are treated as equals in the book.

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Can I join in this discussion? I've been reading this with a horrifying fascination but explains a bit to me about the state of the UK re Pakistani Muslims. (Noni, thanks for enlightening me :thumbup: )

I'll be brutally honest. I've been out of the UK now for almost 7 years and I don't go back there. I read some UK headlines but I'm probably very out of touch with some things.

From time to time I get email jokey things about Muslims and I usually just delete them. I have some Muslim friends and I don't find the jokes particularly funny. (I'm not Muslim by the way) But now I understand that this particular "brand" of Islam in the UK, and it seems to be the Pakistani Muslims, is clearly right out of order :nod: I'm appalled. Honour killings.... geez, what's going on in the UK?

For those that don't know, Malaysia is majority Muslim though the country is very much multi-cultural and multi-racial and the State of Penang (where I live) is actually majority Chinese. But there are quite a few Muslims here and I chat with the ladies in the supermarkets and shops and they all seem fairly normal to me. It's a different kind of Islam I guess.

I just did a google to see if maybe I'm missing something here... maybe got some rose-tinted glasses on today, and found this link here and I quote from it

"Honour killing is not an Islamic practice, though it often occurs in Muslim-majority societies. In fact honour killing is forbidden in Islam and seems not to occur in Muslim-majority countries such as Indonesia or Malaysia."

Well, that's a relief to me.

Maybe someone needs to point out to these Pakistani peoples that this is not an Islamic practice uh? Just appalling.

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Agree with your post absolutely, I also agree with prestonjohn in that criticizing a religion is not racism.

I also agree with Andy that this thread can have the appearance of casual racism.
In my view when the people of the religion (in general) are frequently singled out for criticism then it does become racist ie 'Muslims' do this or that. Pakistani Muslims are not all going around 'honour killing' and it occurs in other Muslim groups also.
It is mentions such as "our country" as though they do not belong even though born here.
Posts on other threads such as "Indians in general are this or that (always bad)" might give the appearance of casual racism.

bakedbean you have said above that you find e-mail jokes about Muslims unfunny; on this Forum they are put on the 'laughter thread' , perhaps you could persuade Noni that this can be offensive.

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Ha ha....You are slightly misconstruing my words I'm afraid. I said that I don't find them funny. I didn't say that I found them offensive. No... you didn't say that I said that... but the implication is there. I get a lot of email jokes that I don't find funny actually. I would say about 9 out of 10 I delete.

Jokes are something else entirely, and it's really down to other people's sense of humour and where you are in the world. You can make an Irish joke. I generally find these ones quite funny but, maybe if I was Irish, I might be pi$$ed off with them. I was sent a very funny joke a little while back about a Singaporean retiree. I found it funny. I imagine most of you guys on Goa forum wouldn't actually get it. But that's jokes for you.

Anyway rambled right off topic there ;)

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Apologies if I misunderstood, but you said "I usually just delete them" , "I have some Muslim friends and I don't find the jokes particularly funny", I assumed (presumably wrongly that you thought they might be offensive to your Muslim friends).
I must say that my Hindu husband's greatest lifetime friend was Muslim who settled in Malaysia. (Passed away with heart attack not long ago).
I remember an evening in UK when he and his wife were staying with us watching the programme on TV "Mind Your Language" (thought by some to be racist), the men were screaming with laughter , then X brought out his collection of "Sikh" jokes and OH his collection of "Irish" jokes. Both had friends from those communities.
But----- there was no malice, and such jokes I am sure you will agree can be offensive according to the circumstances.