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Didnt take long did it before the quest for justice in the child abuse Savile Affair turned into a quest for money....even though 90% of his £4 million was earmarked for charities-says volumes about being English today. Bet you a tenner to your favourite charity that the flood gates will really open now there is chance of compensation at the end of the nightmare.

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Anybody abused by Saville deserves every penny and more - You need to understand that the money as such is not important, it is however cathartic and demonstrates to the abused that it was not there fault.

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Thats absolute rubbish Steve.The money in Saviles will should go to Charity, especially now that charities are being squeezed in the recession. The money should go to where it was intended-charities.I always thought justice was an abstract concept that some how restored a sense of balance to a victim of crime.This is how it used to be before the culture of complaint took hold from the good old Us of A.Now we have become a nation of ambulance chasers and the word that comes to mind is greed, pure and simple. Surely the fact that the man has been exposed a year after his death, too, should be enough especially in the light that most of the abuse took place over 20 years ago and nobody said a word until he croaked it at 84.But this is actually just conjecture because even though Natwest have frozen the money they will have to pay it out in the end because the man is dead and criminal compensation from an accused assets needs a conviction in an English Court and an award made by a judge and i have never heard of a stiff being convicted before.

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I can just imagine you and J5, there having a drink and smoking a pipe of peace. ;)

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What I said is not rubbish It might be that you don't agree with it, it might be that you simply believe that I'm wrong, but that does not make it rubbish. Without wishing to sound patronising this is a subject that you obviously know little about, sadly over the past 20+ years it is a subject I have had to learn more about than I would have chosen.

Abuse victims can remain frightened and in awe of there abusers for many many years after the abuse took place, hence why some abuse is not reported until many years after the event if at all. FACT

Victims of abuse often blame themselves. FACT

Merely reporting the abuse is cathartic for the abused, they need someone to listen. FACT

That any action is then taken against there abuser then demonstrates that it was not there fault, any kind of compensation merely confirms this. FACT

Now none of the above may be what you want to believe but it doesn't make it any less true.

My personal view? Anyone that abuses a child is beyond contempt and it would not surprise me if the charities concerned were now embarrassed by the idea of funds from a pedophile; would you want to inherit under those circumstances? I certainly wouldn't.

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Steve, I think PJ was saying that the concept of the money going to (the ever increasing) list of alleged victims rather than the charities was rubbish, not the list of "facts" you have now quoted.

As far as I can make out, the explanation of why this cannot happen legally is correct.


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BREAKING NEWS: Comedian Freddie Starr arrested by police leading Jimmy Savile abuse inquiry

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2B0DvqOsJ

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[B][SIZE="2"]Kingfisher crisis: Lenders to sell Vijay Mallya's Goa villa


1 Nov: Economic Times. The consortium of lenders to Kingfisher Airlines met today to consider the sale of non-core assets including his Goa property

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According to Heraldo OCI applications by PIO's of Goan origin will now be handled at the FRRO in Goa.
This is not what it says (yet?) on the MHA website - they have in fact just shuffled the messy business of actually doing stuff for people to the FR[R]O's for everything - BUT where powers haven't actually been delegated to the FR[R]O's they will filter the application and may forward it to the MHA for [possible eventual] action.

What o Heraldo glossed over in its rush to find the Goan PIO angle was that this is implementing the directive from last May to establish a FRRO in Goa. Unless they change the rules this will have to be manned by MHA staff not police.

AndyD 8-)₹

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Savile's £4 million. Whoever the eventual recipients, I trust Nat West will have the money wisely invested in a top earning account while 'frozen'.

Charities, now that every second shop on the High Street is a charity shop, I was interested to see the post of manager advertised locally at a starting salary of £25k (plus possible bonus) for someone with "shop display and retail experience". That's why your average charity shop now looks more like a colour coordinated boutique and not a decent discount in sight.

£25k is a good salary if you're not in London, around about the national average.

When the rest of the staff are volunteers, and many may even be on the Job Seeker's Allowance Workfare programme., including graduates and disabled persons waiting their appeal having been shoved off Incapacity Benefit or DLA, it takes a lot of donating and a lot of spending before even a fraction of the money churned in the charity industry actually gets to the intended and needing recipients.

TV is now also clogged up with high production value and expensive to broadcast ads to part you from a percentage of your hard earned, and they're even after you as beneficiaries when you die.

From street chuggers to retail shops and TV direct debit ads, charity is big business.

Give as you choose, and if you choose to give, give as directly as you can.

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With the International Film Festival of India taking place soon there will be some great films to go and see. The only difficulty is that to be able to buy the tickets you have to apply to become a delegate. This can be done online at www.iffigoa.org but you need to have some link to the film industry. Its worth a try as the film we want to see, if possible, is Life of Pi.

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Next Mondays headlines in The Sun after todays revelations regarding Leonard Rossitter." I was abused by Sooty." Alleges 84 year old women from Clackmanickshire. Muffin the Mule under investigation by the Metropolitan Police.Arrests imminent after 96 year old comes forward.Flower Pot Men under investigation after Weed makes a statement to Police.....!

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Frankly your flippancy disgusts me, no decent person could find any humour in child abuse. In fact the attitude you have shown to the subject in previous posts begs a question.

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We have already discussed this in a PM. Yes Child Abuse is disgusting but then so is making allegations against some one who has been dead for nearly 30 years and cannot answer back.Full Stop.Savile was different because the allegations of sexual abuse have a pattern to them which gives them credibility.
This is all about money now nothing else.Not justice because how can you get justice from a dead man ? The funny thing is that its you and me who are going to have cough up because any compensation money is going to come from the licence fee of the BBC. Not Savile or Rossitter or Starr or any of the others hiding in the wings.The Red Tops are loving it because circulation has gone up and they can say what they like, especially The Sun, who have an axe to grind against the BBC because they see the BBC as a commercial rival.As for being cynical or flippant about the matter.I am 63 years old and i am entitled to be because the whole matter stinks to high heaven of Compensation Culture at its best. We have free speech in the UK mate so no PC BE policing please.

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What I said is my personal view regarding your attitude to what I view as something quite heinous, further I have no interest in policing anything, PC or otherwise.
You are expressing a view about something you obviously know little about, seeing it as being financially motivated. I have in my post 5975 explained a few of the facts regarding child abuse, accepted wisdom of those far cleverer than I and I suspect you! I have in PM given you a background as to my personal experience with abused children. None of what I stated in either PM or post 5975 was a personal view but a statement of fact. As for your age I see that as being totally irrelevant, I am of much the same age and mates? I don't think so, our views on child abuse at least seem to be at opposite poles. It is something that revolts me, whilst you seem to view it as a subject which it is fine to make light of!