Pulaski

Yeah, well the bulk is copied and pasted but the 13 original words is going some for him.

scrubbedexpat099

This is serious stuff, not the usual girl talk. Deserves proper consideration .

dc koop

There's so much bullsheete about the right to own guns in this country that it's laughable. I can always understand the reason for having a well armed civilian militia back in 1776-1789 or the need for guns for defence and food supply during the years of the great expansion westward but when I hear someone say that the right to own a firearm is a defence against tyrannical government this is nothing but a joke.

scrubbedexpat099

Fortunately for Trump the areas most against him have the strictest regulations.

mrken30

That maybe your opinion, others are entitled to have theirs.

Verdict In Katrina Shooting Buoys Police Reform : NPR

Also the emergency services can be overwhelmed as was seen in the London riots.

dc koop

It doesn't matter about what you call regulations. The idea that millions of citizens who shop at Walmart, drink Bud, watch the Sunday football games and live in suburban homes or townhouses would find it necessary to take to the streets, take up arms against anyone in elected government is patently ridiculous.
It's now wonder Disneyland originated in America

dc koop

A case like Katrina is hardly relevant to the point I was making

scrubbedexpat099

We can agree on the Bud.

mrken30

But it happens. A lot of people in the US live in disaster zones. When the sh*t hits, the Government won't be there to help you.

dc koop

In the case of Katrina there existed government support but it was ineffective because of incompetence. President Bush Jnr that master of bad judgment and bad decisions had appointed a man whose job it was to take charge of such disasters but who was completely unqualified to hold that post. The Governor of Louisiana seemed to have suffered a brain freeze at the same time.
Many people in N.O chose to ignore warnings of the coming hurricane and became stranded when it did hit. Roving gangs broke into gun stores and when police tried to bring food, medicine and other supplies by chopper to the several thousand who had taken refuge in the Saints football team stadium they were fired on by armed thugs on the ground. Add to that was the desertion of a large number of police officers.

When I mentioned that one of the reasons to justify the right of everyone to own a gun on the grounds of defending democracy against tyranny which I repeat again is a ridiculous notion this has no connection with Katrina and the collapse of law and order and government function on the grounds of sheer incompetence and nothing else

thinbrit

Some make that claim, others claim general self defense, others that it is simply an inalienable right, there are many reasons people own guns. Every individual has their own view on owning guns.

I don't own guns as a defence against a tyrannical government, I own them because I enjoy shooting them, I enjoy collecting them, and I am legally allowed to do so. I also carry for personal protection.

It is fairly simple. If you don't like guns, then don't buy one.

scrubbedexpat099

If I was looking to defend democracy against a tyrannical Government then I have the wrong guns.

Hmmm, well that makes me wonder, what would you recommend?

mrken30

Same as anything else in life. I don't like cockles, so I don't buy them

dc koop

I own a couple of handguns and a .22 Ruger for target shooting. I don't see any sense however in a person wanting to own a high powered assault weapon. If you want to own such a weapon free of charge join the army and volunteer for special forces in Syria. It's better than just target shooting, you get to shoot at real people and they shoot back... much more fun and much more challenging !

The problem with the NRA is that they are totally against any form of gun control. Every time anyone tries to pass a law that makes sense in restricting the types of weapons that should be available they start acting as if it will all lead to a mass confiscation of everyone's firearms and the repeal of the Second Amendment. All that's necessary is a bit of common sense and sanity but with Trump that's not likely to happen.

dc koop

In many countries, this country very much included what some believe to be a government of democratic principles others see it as a tyranny, all of course depending on their individual political beliefs.
Therefore the weapon of defending against real tyranny and not fanciful tyranny is the vote. The people have spoken... so let it be.