scrubbedexpat099

For those who did not get it, such matter are regulated at State level.

Colorado you need a background check, Gun Show, Individual Sale whatever.

I would expect Chicago and California to be the same.

mrken30

Same in Oregon, you cannot lend your gun to anyone either. Iis fairly easy to buy privately, just look at something like https://www.northwestfirearms.com/

thinbrit

That analogy holds about as much weight as a counter argument that it is like a firefighter holding a water hose but also giving residents their own fire extinguishers.

scrubbedexpat099

Same here, go to the shooting range and you well legally can not borrow a friends gun to shoot, or swap whatever.

Always wondered how they gat around it with rentals or loaners. Perhaps just ignore it.

But when you have clueless politicians involved you get what you get.

dc koop

Problem with that analogy is that a lot of residents shouldn't have fire extinguishers

dc koop

Occasionally the LAPD or County Sheriffs Department grant an amnesty period whereby gun owners can turn in their firearms registered or unregistered no questions asked but in gang banger areas that's only scratching the surface. However the California Three Strikes law got rid of a lot of gang members who moved to other cities. Unfortunately that law has now been discontinued.

What should be done in Chicago's problem area is a massive sweep of that area using National Guard or State Militia as backup and every known gang member's house searched from top to bottom and any and all weapons confiscated. No gang member should own a weapon and it should be a crime punishable by a heavy fine and a few years in the slammer if they're caught

Would this happen? Answer is no because politicians are so traumatized by political correctness and an abject fear of being labeled racists that they're in a state of near paralysis when it comes to dealing with problems in black neighbourhoods.

There's also a state of denial coupled with the above attitude. The BLM doesn't seem to accept the fact that most black deaths are caused amongst themselves but instead have convinced themselves that white cops are killing them wholesale. They live in a world of unreality and self delusion

scrubbedexpat099

Votes first!

lansbury

Do all gun transfers require background checks?

Some transfers do not require background check, such as:

• Transfers between immediate family members,
• Temporary transfers for self-defense, hunting, and target-shooting; and
• Temporary transfers that occur exclusively while in the presence of the owner.

scrubbedexpat099

Seems Colorado has taken into account some of the initial stupidity, now reads:

In Colorado, almost all firearm transfers between unlicensed persons must be processed by a licensed firearms dealer, subjecting the prospective purchaser to a background check.

In 2013, Colorado enacted a law requiring gun sellers who are not federally licensed dealers to initiate a background check when transferring a firearm. With the exceptions listed below, any unlicensed individual who seeks to transfer possession of a firearm to a prospective transferee must: 1) require that a background check is conducted on the prospective transferee by a licensed gun dealer; and 2) obtain approval of the transfer from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) following the background check request.1

If the transferee is an entity (e.g. a business), then a background check must be conducted on each person who is authorized by the entity to possess a firearm.2

When a licensed dealer obtains a background check on a prospective transferee, the dealer must record the transfer and retain the records in the same manner as when conducting a sale, rental or exchange at retail. The dealer must also provide the transferor and transferee with a copy of the results of the background check, including CBI’s approval or disapproval of the transfer.3

A dealer may charge a fee of up to $10 for conducting a background check for an unlicensed seller.4

A transferee cannot accept possession of the firearm from an unlicensed seller until CBI approves the transfer. The transfer must be completed within 30 days of that approval.5

A transferee is prohibited from knowingly providing false information to a prospective transferor or to a licensed dealer for the purpose of acquiring a firearm.6

These transfer provisions do not apply to, inter alia:

A bona fide gift or loan between immediate family members;
A transfer that occurs by operation of law or because of the death of a person for whom the prospective transferor is an executor or administrator of an estate or a trustee of a trust created in a will;
A transfer that is temporary and occurs while in the home of the unlicensed transferee if:
The unlicensed transferee is not prohibited from possessing firearms; and
The unlicensed transferee reasonably believes that possession of the firearm is necessary to prevent imminent death or serious bodily injury to the unlicensed transferee;
A temporary transfer of possession without power of ownership or a title to ownership, which takes place:
At a shooting range located in or on premises owned by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms;
At a target firearm shooting competition under the auspices of, or approved by, a state agency or a nonprofit organization; or
While hunting, fishing, target shooting, or trapping if:
Legal in all places where the unlicensed transferee possesses the firearm; and
The unlicensed transferee holds any license or permit that is required for such activity;
A transfer of a firearm that is made to facilitate the repair or maintenance of the firearm, except that all parties who possess the firearm as part of such transaction must be able to legally possess a firearm;
Any temporary transfer that occurs while in the continuous presence of the owner of the firearm;
A temporary transfer for not more than 72 hours. A person who makes such a temporary transfer may be jointly and severally liable for damages proximately caused by the transferee’s subsequent unlawful use of the firearm; or
A member of the armed services who will be deployed outside of the U.S. in the next 30 days, to any immediate family member.7
When a person violates the above transfer requirements, the violation is punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor and the person must be prohibited from possessing a firearm for two years, beginning on the date of his or her conviction.8 When a person is convicted, the State Court Administrator must report the conviction to CBI and to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The report must include information indicating that the person is prohibited from possessing a firearm for two years, beginning on the date of his or her conviction.9

Steve_

When it comes to "private transfers" as they are known, the one point that is usually glossed over is that it only applies to intrastate transfers. A person resident in Arizona can privately sell a gun to another person resident in Arizona but transfers across State lines are completely illegal. They have to be done via an FFL. The only exception are transfers by bequest.

FFLs can transfer a rifle or a shotgun to a resident of another State provided they comply with the laws of both States, which is often impossible.

So this idea that Joe Blow from NYC can go to a gun show in Philadelphia and buy a gun without breaking a law is nonsense. It's illegal for him to buy it, it's illegal for the seller to sell it to him and it's illegal to transport it across the State line. The problem is the law is rarely enforced. It is in fact the first section of the Gun Control Act, 18 USC 922(a)(1)(A), because Lee Harvey Oswald bought his rifle from a company in Illinois.

It's also illegal to send handguns through the mail, except between licenced dealers.

People are so ignorant of the law there's a proposal in Congress to make trafficking illegal. It already is illegal, the penalties are severe.

Personally I think anyone selling a gun privately to a stranger is an idiot anyway, at the very least you should ask to see ID to make sure they live in the same State.

tom169

Not sure if there is some reciprocity agreement between NC and SC, but rifles and shotguns can easily be bought from FFL's by residents of either state. However, handguns can't be.

scrubbedexpat099

Well to go from Colorado to any other state neatby is a bit of a drive. I have bought on line but need to do the pick up at a FFL and do the paperwork.

Bob

That's the thing though, it's so easy to do and there's no requirement to ask for ID, so as long as you aren't obviously parking your out of state car in front of the person, there's no reason for the seller to believe you're from out of state.

Sure, it's illegal to buy it and move it out of state, but it's sure easier than stealing a gun. Now you can flog it for a lot more money out where ever you wanted to flog guns on the street.

lizzyq

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scrubbedexpat097

I was thinking the same thing.

Mind you there is nothing like a gun thread to get most of these guys frantically posting away..