Originally Posted by mrken30

But don't use a gun to threaten someone , if you feel threatened.

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Originally Posted by civilservant

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from harm, if the person perpetrating the harm gets hurt - well sorry, you could have aided by the law.

Originally Posted by civilservant

This is the point where we'll never agree. I do need it, to protect me and mine. It's a tool. I'm not Rambo, I don't expect to have to gun down a whole Army division that's breaking in, but if I need it I know I'll have it. If I never need the shotgun then it'll sit there in the corner of the bedroom unused (except for Saturdays when I take it out back and practice manipulating it and my pistol and bringing them on target as fast as possible) and I'll be fine with that. Just the same as I'll be fine paying for, but never making a claim on, my home insurance

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing

I try not to have too much of a cavalier attitude when it comes to hurting people. Big deal.

Don't mistake non-violence for complacency. Situational awareness can save you every bit as easily as a gun will and it's free.



You still don't need it. You don't need insurance either, you either choose to buy it or you're mandated by the law to buy it in the case of car insurance, etc. I think you're entirely missing my point. You want it and that's fine, but nobody needs a gun.

Originally Posted by Boiler

There was a story in the local rag where somebody punched somebody, seems the guy did some sort of Martial Arts, killed him with one hit.

Originally Posted by mrken30

Even in Syria and Iraq, not everyone carries a gun.

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing

I might have one if I lived there, though. Civil war and armed invasion is a little more of an imminent threat that a drug addict after your wallet in the parking lot at Walmart.

Originally Posted by civilservant

Me neither thankfully, but then you never are until you are. It's that insurance thing again. To me it's supposed to be a deterrent. If a bad guy walks in to a.n.other 7-11 and sees me carrying my glock, the likelihood is he's going to go find somewhere else to knock over that night rather than risk getting shot. Criminals have the same self-preservation instincts that we do.

The issue is this to me, carrying a gun should not make you feel safer, because bad things happen. It might stop things before they start, but drawing it is never doing to deescalate a situation. The only time I would draw my weapon is if my next intention is to pull the trigger. At that point the purpose has failed and self-preservation is kicking in.

Originally Posted by Bob

Someone that interested in knocking off the shop and see's that you're armed will just shoot you in the head on the way in before you even know what's happening and then rob the place.

As for insurance, unless you're in NH, it's the law to have car insurance, even if people do go without it.

Originally Posted by civilservant

Aren't they all imminent threats when they are in your face?

I understand the anti-arguments, I really do, because up until recently I was on that side firmly. I just have changed my mind, am a responsible gun owner, and am availing myself of my 2A rights.

Now don't get me started on the 2 people who have ashed me how I am allowed to carry a gun as a non-USC and wouldn't believe me when I said that I had the same rights as they did except to vote or serve as president.

There's no teaching some Southern folks!

Originally Posted by civilservant

But then it's given you, the unarmed person, time to get away or otherwise react.

I'm dead, that's my problem not yours.

Agreed about the car insurance, but not home or renters insurance.

Originally Posted by Bob

Someone that interested in knocking off the shop and see's that you're armed will just shoot you in the head on the way in before you even know what's happening and then rob the place.

As for insurance, unless you're in NH, it's the law to have car insurance, even if people do go without it.

Originally Posted by mrken30

I think it's about a $50 here for not having insurance