Police shot in Dallas
Jul 9th 2016, 2:15 pm
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Jul 9th 2016, 2:16 pm
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Jul 9th 2016, 5:34 pm
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Yes they do. And I think one of the problems with Police-versus-private-gangs is that the Police in each community are just another gang. The look after their own, and deny anybody else the right to punish them for doing wrong. That's what gangs do. They have a great advantage in that it's only their gang that has the legal right to carry guns - and to use them at the discretion of the individual gang-members.
Until this situation is recognised, the fierce resentment of them won't go away. The situation is not unique to the USA; here in the Caribbean it exists in Jamaica too - but not in my Island of Cayman. Reason? Here, our Police aren't armed. That makes all the difference.
Until this situation is recognised, the fierce resentment of them won't go away. The situation is not unique to the USA; here in the Caribbean it exists in Jamaica too - but not in my Island of Cayman. Reason? Here, our Police aren't armed. That makes all the difference.
Jul 9th 2016, 5:48 pm
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As long as we allow gun fetishists to control public policy, police have to assume that everybody is armed.
The question is not whether or not police will be willing to go into black neighborhoods in the future. The real question is why in the world would anybody want to be a police officer in a country where any fool who wants to can legally arm themselves with stockpiles of military grade weapons?
I thought that all we would ever need is a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun? Don't cops qualify as 'good guys'.
The question is not whether or not police will be willing to go into black neighborhoods in the future. The real question is why in the world would anybody want to be a police officer in a country where any fool who wants to can legally arm themselves with stockpiles of military grade weapons?
I thought that all we would ever need is a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun? Don't cops qualify as 'good guys'.
Jul 9th 2016, 11:03 pm
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I'm not absolving anybody. I'm saying exactly what police are saying and what anybody with a modicum of common sense could figure out for themselves.
Jul 9th 2016, 11:39 pm
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For those who seem to lost the plot:
This shooting didn't happen in a "black neighborhood". It happened in an affluent business district. The shooter wasn't a gang member or career criminal.
I'm pleased that all of you gun lovers are so concerned about inner city violence though. It's an important topic.
This shooting didn't happen in a "black neighborhood". It happened in an affluent business district. The shooter wasn't a gang member or career criminal.
I'm pleased that all of you gun lovers are so concerned about inner city violence though. It's an important topic.
Jul 11th 2016, 12:43 pm
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...one of the problems with Police-versus-private-gangs is that the Police in each community are just another gang. They look after their own, and deny anybody else the right to punish them for doing wrong. That's what gangs do. They have a great advantage in that it's only their gang that has the legal right to carry guns - and to use them at the discretion of the individual gang-members. Until this situation is recognised, the fierce resentment of them won't go away.
Huh. There will be two legally armed gangs above the law in each community, now! Nice going, chaps.
Jul 11th 2016, 4:13 pm
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Correct me if my maths is wrong.
Jul 11th 2016, 6:58 pm
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I was camping in the rain forest, and despite trying to catch up, I am sure I am missing many pieces; but I am surprised that the bombing of a suspect has caused so little comment. It feels like a Rubicon, that the police should not be using such weapons, the reasons I have read are that they were not sure where he was or what he was doing, why not a camera on the robot instead of a bomb? Unless he had his hand on a detonator, and maybe something like that will come out as more information is released, but from the little I have read, the bomb was an answer to unknowns, rather than knowledge.
Jul 11th 2016, 9:06 pm
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I was camping in the rain forest, and despite trying to catch up, I am sure I am missing many pieces; but I am surprised that the bombing of a suspect has caused so little comment. It feels like a Rubicon, that the police should not be using such weapons, the reasons I have read are that they were not sure where he was or what he was doing, why not a camera on the robot instead of a bomb? Unless he had his hand on a detonator, and maybe something like that will come out as more information is released, but from the little I have read, the bomb was an answer to unknowns, rather than knowledge.
Jul 11th 2016, 10:05 pm
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26,000 complains for 670,000 officers. That equates to 1 complaint for every 400 officers. So it you travel past a cop once a week , you stand a chance of filing a complaint once every 8 years, or about 10 times in an average persons lifetime.
Correct me if my maths is wrong.
Correct me if my maths is wrong.
Jul 12th 2016, 3:15 am
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I was camping in the rain forest, and despite trying to catch up, I am sure I am missing many pieces; but I am surprised that the bombing of a suspect has caused so little comment. It feels like a Rubicon, that the police should not be using such weapons, the reasons I have read are that they were not sure where he was or what he was doing, why not a camera on the robot instead of a bomb? Unless he had his hand on a detonator, and maybe something like that will come out as more information is released, but from the little I have read, the bomb was an answer to unknowns, rather than knowledge.
In this particular situation I can't imagine the police were all that interested in taking him alive. He had just shot around 15 people and was promising to shoot more. He was armed and claiming that he had bombs. SWAT was trying to kill him but couldn't get a direct shot without giving up their protected position and exposing officers to return fire. Most of the cops that were shot that night were the ones responding to the 'officer down' calls. They negotiated with him for two hours but, IMO, they only did that because they couldn't get him dead sooner. Hundreds of people were trapped down there for hours because it was too dangerous to come out of hiding. They offered him the chance to come out alive and he laughed at him. His death was inevitable, the method was unique but the result was exactly what the killer had forced them into doing - suicide by cop.
Jul 12th 2016, 4:56 am
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