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Old Jul 9th 2016, 6:22 am
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
I am not "people" .... and the car was only a 2003. And it might not be "necessary" but I like the visual deterence.
Aplogies for the people comment. I just remember years ago I had one on a 95 car and they used the leverage to try and break the steering lock. They damaged the steering lock enough that I had to replace it and the barrel. In Europe a 2003 would have a chipped key, not sure about US models.
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Originally Posted by markonline1
Which is correct.
They have to deal with the dregs of society on a daily basis, and I feel the dregs are dreggier and more violent here. The cops really do have a thankless task. That being said, the stories that have surfaced this week have been extremely disturbing!!
This is the problem that needs to be resolved . Using violence tends to perpetuate violence and mistrust. I don't know the solution, but in a civilized society extermination is not the way to go.

Nor is having the youth be brought up in gangs rather than by the parents.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
There's no need for "extreme caution", merely avoiding sudden movements and doing only and exactly as requested in a traffic stop is sufficient.
You're probably right, Pulaski, but then you and I aren't at risk of committing DWB. For myself, I will/would never drive in the US, or indeed drive in a car as a passenger. There are too many bad stories.
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
Probably not.



Getting the obvious out of the way, that this was in no way an appropriate response to the two deaths during the week. That's pretty plain.

However, these five deaths aren't any more tragic, or any more important than any of the innocent civilians (of any race, before anyone decides to start that up) needlessly killed by police every year; or the wrongly convicted people who have been executed by the state.

How do we fix it? Pretty simple, stop ****ing killing people. Stop blindly worshiping and unquestioningly following all authority figures like the police as if they are infallible and perfect. Bridge the gap between citizens and the police by making it at least look like the police are there to protect and serve, rather than enforce and intimidate. America, for all its talk about freedom, and for all the greatness it does have, really has a problem with letting its authority figures run around like the own the place.

Then on the other side, stop locking people up for minor offenses in overcrowded, for-profit prisons where rehabilitation is far down the list, to cram them in with hardened criminals where the end result will do nothing but create re-offenders who start the cycle over again.

Stop generating highly population dense, woefully disadvantaged and poverty ridden areas where people have little choice but to turn to crime, since to them society has all but turned its back on them.

Seriously, the entire rest of the ****ing world can get this right, why can't America?
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
I agree that taking off your seatbelt was a bad idea, but why do you say getting your license from the glove box before the officer approached the car, is the wrong move?

As I said above, IMO getting your licence out ahead of the officer reaching your car, or more correctly, before the officer gets out of his car (usually they will take several minutes to check your registration before they approach your car) is the best thing to do.
Sit still and keep your hands where they can be seen... those are the unwritten rules of a traffic stop in the US. It's safer for everyone.

A cop spends his 99% of his work day with the lowest end of society. After years of that experience of course they are wary of sudden moves, hidden hands, unbuckled seat belts, open glove boxes etc, regardless of our intentions.

People will say the cop has built in prejudice from his experiences. But at the end of his shift he wants to return home to his family, I would too.
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These BLM protesters are doing this all wrong.

Don't block the freeways? You bloody well should.

Marching doesn't get you on the 6 o'clock news anymore.

Also, this might just be me, but don't group all white people together like a homogenous block. It's really annoying to hear "white people don't care".
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Most Blacks to state the obvious are shot by other Blacks.

If you took out Black shooting by white Police Officers the percentage impact is minuscule.
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Most Blacks to state the obvious are shot by other Blacks.

If you took out Black shooting by white Police Officers the percentage impact is minuscule.
It isn't just about the fatal shootings of Blacks, it is the day in day out treatment of Blacks by law enforcement, and those miniscule killings serve to sow fear amongst Blacks. Unlike Black criminals killing Blacks, the police has the law and system backing them so the effect is more overarching. Killing of cartoonists and persons critical of Islam is also miniscule but the effect is severe , such that Newsapers and critics in the West are self censoring due to safety fears.
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Police shooting blacks is seen as legalized killing of black people. Black killing blacks is not legalized.
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Originally Posted by Boomhauer
It isn't just about the fatal shootings of Blacks, it is the day in day out treatment of Blacks by law enforcement, and those miniscule killings serve to sow fear amongst Blacks. Unlike Black criminals killing Blacks, the police has the law and system backing them so the effect is more overarching. Killing of cartoonists and persons critical of Islam is also miniscule but the effect is severe , such that Newsapers and critics in the West are self censoring due to safety fears.
Most of the places where the issue has arisen seem to have a few common factors:

On party political rule

Significant number of Black police officers and often Black Police Chiefs

Probably more importantly a very high crime rate amongst the particular demographic.

If you compare the figures just not on crude numbers of people but crime rates, then there is nothing unusual. But that of course does not fit the story.
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This is the problem that needs to be resolved . Using violence tends to perpetuate violence and mistrust. I don't know the solution, but in a civilized society extermination is not the way to go.

Nor is having the youth be brought up in gangs rather than by the parents.
Parents ? Most kids in the ghettos know only one parent... their mother.

Daddy disappeared a long time ago. Mother is either working in a low paying job, unemployed and living on welfare or hooked on drugs.

Gangs provide a sense of comradeship, acceptance and belonging to the disenfranchised kids
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More than 60 shot in Chicago over July 4th weekend

CHICAGO — At least 64 people were shot in the nation’s third largest city over the Independence Day weekend, including four people who were fatally wounded.

The grim violence in Chicago, which has recorded 329 homicides already this year, continued despite stepped up street patrols by the Chicago Police Department and the arrest of 88 gang members in two of the city’s most violent neighbourhoods ahead of the holiday weekend.

#BLM

Or not really.
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Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
..., I will/would never drive in the US, or indeed drive in a car as a passenger. There are too many bad stories.
With 315 million people there are plenty of "bad stories", but statistically they are very rare.
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Old Jul 9th 2016, 12:32 pm
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Gangs provide a sense of comradeship, acceptance and belonging to the disenfranchised kids
Yes they do. And I think one of the problems with Police-versus-private-gangs is that the Police in each community are just another gang. The look after their own, and deny anybody else the right to punish them for doing wrong. That's what gangs do. They have a great advantage in that it's only their gang that has the legal right to carry guns - and to use them at the discretion of the individual gang-members.

Until this situation is recognised, the fierce resentment of them won't go away. The situation is not unique to the USA; here in the Caribbean it exists in Jamaica too - but not in my Island of Cayman. Reason? Here, our Police aren't armed. That makes all the difference.
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