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dc koop Feb 23rd 2020 5:30 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 12810628)
He has gotten a lot further than one would expect. His comparative success, indicates money does buy votes.

If you are referring to Steyer he received zero votes during Nevada. What buys votes are big time promises and telling the young entitled generation what they want to hear. Bernie is proving that 24/7

dc koop Feb 23rd 2020 5:41 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12810553)
Prime example of a necessary but not sufficient condition.

Big money is necessary to become president, but by itself is not sufficient to become president. You just don't get to be president without it.

Maybe Presidential candidates represent the better educated and therefore more successful in private life. Harry Truman was probably the only modern President who came from humble beginnings, never made much money during his Presidency and left office with very little in his pocket

Giantaxe Feb 23rd 2020 5:52 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12810845)
If you are referring to Steyer he received zero votes during Nevada.

He got 4.7% of the votes in Nevada. Presumably what you mean is that he got zero delegates.

Ingles Feb 23rd 2020 9:40 pm

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12810553)
Prime example of a necessary but not sufficient condition.

Big money is necessary to become president, but by itself is not sufficient to become president. You just don't get to be president without it.

+ It also help's to be able to lie your arse off , Insult the opposition at every turn, & have no morals at all !
This basically is why now Trump is where he is.

kimilseung Feb 24th 2020 1:37 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12810845)
If you are referring to Steyer he received zero votes during Nevada.

You do know about the internet, right?
You can't just make things up and expect people to accept it. When will you stop lying?

Lion in Winter Feb 24th 2020 1:57 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12810849)
Maybe Presidential candidates represent the better educated and therefore more successful in private life.


Now you have changed your argument. You are saying that money is necessary after all.

Which is it?

Did you understand my post about "necessary but not sufficient condition"?

Hiro11 Feb 24th 2020 5:45 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12810553)
Prime example of a necessary but not sufficient condition.

Big money is necessary to become president, but by itself is not sufficient to become president. You just don't get to be president without it.

If only there were some way to democratize fund raising. Some way to prevent situations where only those with huge personal bank accounts are able to get their word out. A committee of some sort to drive political action.

scrubbedexpat099 Feb 24th 2020 5:57 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
Well we will know more next week but maybe Bernie with large numbers of small donations can beat the norm.

pejp Feb 24th 2020 6:44 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12810020)
Trump was the most moderate of that field.

I don't know if I'd describe him as moderate, or extreme. He doesn't really stand for anything. That's one of things I find most troubling. It's not like he has well though out political positions or convictions, he'll just say or do whatever it takes to feed his ego and keep power. It sounds crazy, but as much as I despise the likes of Ted Cruz and the Christian right, I at least believe that they mean what they say. I don't think Trump actually stands for anything, and it's utterly absurd that such a large portion of the population believe that a narcissistic trust fund kid has their best interests at heart.

scrubbedexpat099 Feb 24th 2020 7:04 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
They had no logical option.

pejp Feb 24th 2020 7:15 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12811266)
They had no logical option.

I'm not talking about votes per so, i.e. people who held their nose and voted for him, or just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hilary, I'm talking about the fact that there are millions of people that enthusiastically support him and believe he is best suited to be president. It's absolutely mind boggling.

scrubbedexpat099 Feb 24th 2020 7:29 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by pejp (Post 12811268)
I'm not talking about votes per so, i.e. people who held their nose and voted for him, or just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hilary, I'm talking about the fact that there are millions of people that enthusiastically support him and believe he is best suited to be president. It's absolutely mind boggling.

You get that for most? of those currently standing.

pejp Feb 24th 2020 7:58 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12811273)
You get that for most? of those currently standing.

I'm not sure what you're saying.



scrubbedexpat099 Feb 24th 2020 8:04 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
They all have their enthusiasts, OK Bloomberg no doubt has to pay for his.

pejp Feb 24th 2020 8:54 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12811291)
They all have their enthusiasts, OK Bloomberg no doubt has to pay for his.

Well, yeah, but I don't believe that all positions are equal. Being an enthusiastic Bloomberg or Biden supporter is certainly odd, and the democratic field is certainly uninspiring, but it's at least understandable that someone might support one of them, or in past elections, that someone would enthusiastically support pretty much any of the Republican candidates. I'm saying, it's different this time, and I can't believe it doesn't transcend party politics at this point. It's utterly insane that a grown adult could continue to support Trump, regardless of party membership. I don't believe in this 'both sides, all politicians are the same' nonsense. I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can continue to support him.


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