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MEL & JOHN Jan 19th 2013 2:24 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 

Originally Posted by Kath and Ted (Post 10492440)
Olivia is right, there would never be any 'business case' for any members only club with such a limited restriction of membership. If that is the only way that a business could be run there then why would anyone take it on?
Kath

Of course, totally agree with Olivia and Kath. There is no doubt about it anybody who gets the paperwork in order and invests will only consider it their business is open to all - no way somebody would proceed knowing they have a very limited client base. I like your idea Uncle Buck - a nominal fee for membership.

Mel

olivia Jan 19th 2013 4:32 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 

Originally Posted by MEL & JOHN (Post 10493007)
Of course, totally agree with Olivia and Kath. There is no doubt about it anybody who gets the paperwork in order and invests will only consider it their business is open to all - no way somebody would proceed knowing they have a very limited client base. I like your idea Uncle Buck - a nominal fee for membership.

Mel

There are lots of situations in private members clubs where this can and does work eg.
being signed in by a member,
temporary membership for short periods,
guest list for functions charged at a Euro per head extra, members don't pay,
This is to get round the private club element.
We chewed this issue over many times at our golf club social comittee meetings in our quest to get more revenue into the club house.
Letting people just turn up without invitation, ticket or being a member or his/her guest is a complete no go. These rules are very similar Europe wide.

Kath Las Colinas Jan 19th 2013 5:25 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 

Originally Posted by MEL & JOHN (Post 10493007)
I like your idea Uncle Buck - a nominal fee for membership.

Mel

Me too. I would even be prepared to pay more than Uncle Buck suggested

Jon-Bxl Jan 19th 2013 10:51 pm

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
I started this thread for a discussion on opening up a new business in CE. I should have entitled it 'lets shoot ourselves in the foot'.

We have had a new round of discussions on how Jag messed up. We have had public criticism of the shop, one of only 2 venues on CE. This discussion started by a member flaming the shop, also brings into question the role of Jags business partner on opening the bistro. He runs a business in town, serving excellent food and doesn't need the implied criticism.

Its over, Jag has left the country. Let's move on.

The golf club has 'escaped', but after a month here and many discussions - its clear that it could be so much better. So lets shoot down the 2 businesses above - and then we can have a go at the golf club. Shut the lot down!

I believe that there is a business case on CE to have at least 1 new business. Jags bistro was voted in as a public place by the villa owners committee . He didn't have the necessary legal licenses BUT maybe... perhaps.... somebody can come in and do it right and perhaps get a screaming deal on the rent (as Jag did). Jags was very busy and in high season - full all the time. It was the only proper restaurant and bar on CE. Even in low season any event was well attended. I am sure that the 'average yearly customer volume' was higher than many bars in town.

You can't please everybody all the time - but I sincerely believe that the majority of the CE community want to see it re-open and also have more social venues on CE. A new business could easily be the social centre of CE

There is a huge demand here for something more. There is a captive audience here who will e.g PAY twice for a beer. Low costs, high prices and a captive audience with a demand..... seems like a good business case to me.

Jon

EsuriJohn Jan 19th 2013 11:56 pm

Somethin odd Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 

Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl (Post 10494484)
I started this thread for a discussion on opening up a new business in CE. I should have entitled it 'lets shoot ourselves in the foot'.

We have had a new round of discussions on how Jag messed up. We have had public criticism of the shop, one of only 2 venues on CE. This discussion started by a member flaming the shop, also brings into question the role of Jags business partner on opening the bistro. He runs a business in town, serving excellent food and doesn't need the implied criticism.

Its over, Jag has left the country. Let's move on.

The golf club has 'escaped', but after a month here and many discussions - its clear that it could be so much better. So lets shoot down the 2 businesses above - and then we can have a go at the golf club. Shut the lot down!

I believe that there is a business case on CE to have at least 1 new business. Jags bistro was voted in as a public place by the villa owners committee . He didn't have the necessary legal licenses BUT maybe... perhaps.... somebody can come in and do it right and perhaps get a screaming deal on the rent (as Jag did). Jags was very busy and in high season - full all the time. It was the only proper restaurant and bar on CE. Even in low season any event was well attended. I am sure that the 'average yearly customer volume' was higher than many bars in town.

You can't please everybody all the time - but I sincerely believe that the majority of the CE community want to see it re-open and also have more social venues on CE. A new business could easily be the social centre of CE

There is a huge demand here for something more. There is a captive audience here who will e.g PAY twice for a beer. Low costs, high prices and a captive audience with a demand..... seems like a good business case to me.

Jon

Saturday morning passing the shop. You remember th last attempt to open another business when they started in a unit at the RH end then found out they should be in the LH end unit and stopped moved along the gave up so that we had all the damage and no benefit. Well there they were a team of about 6 opening up the unit on the LH side of the shop down to about half height and then it stopped. WHAT'S GOING ON?

shirley and anthony hide Jan 20th 2013 6:01 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Any investor would not touch Jags with bargepole without knowing the deffinitive reason or reasons why he was shut down.Can someone tell me.
Was it the wrong licence
The right licence but exceeding the terms of it
The swmming pool incident
The neighbour complaint
Someone with a grudge and power.
etc

Uncle Buck Jan 20th 2013 6:06 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 

Originally Posted by shirley and anthony hide (Post 10495070)
Any investor would not touch Jags with bargepole without knowing the deffinitive reason or reasons why he was shut down.Can someone tell me.
Was it the wrong licence
The right licence but exceeding the terms of it
The swmming pool incident
The neighbour complaint
Someone with a grudge and power.
etc

It was probably a bit of each, but thats history now...

shirley and anthony hide Jan 20th 2013 6:11 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 

Originally Posted by Uncle Buck (Post 10495076)
It was probably a bit of each, but thats history now...

Unfortunately probably don't cut it when you are thinking of stumping up the cash

Uncle Buck Jan 20th 2013 6:28 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
If only it was that simple. Whoever takes it on needs to make sure they can operate legally for a period they want to.

However i wouldn't have thought it would be that complicated as it was built to serve as a drinking and eating establishment. Apart from some disabled access and some more ventilation for the kitchen areas, with the right levels of staff, it should be good to go.

shirley and anthony hide Jan 20th 2013 6:46 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 

Originally Posted by Uncle Buck (Post 10495098)
If only it was that simple. Whoever takes it on needs to make sure they can operate legally for a period they want to.

However i wouldn't have thought it would be that complicated as it was built to serve as a drinking and eating establishment. Apart from some disabled access and some more ventilation for the kitchen areas, with the right levels of staff, it should be good to go.

If it was that simple why did'nt Jag do that?

Uncle Buck Jan 20th 2013 6:53 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Only one person knows the answer to that and he's gone now...

shirley and anthony hide Jan 20th 2013 7:03 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 

Originally Posted by Uncle Buck (Post 10495138)
Only one person knows the answer to that and he's gone now...

Well the new prospective owner better contact him then.
As Jag was hardly a novice. He was running his resto in town before he opened Jags Bistro. So he must have known a bit about the rules.

Michaelh Jan 20th 2013 7:10 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Like in the wizard of Oz "follow the yellow brick road". The yellow areas in the plan I uploaded earlier is where a business can open to the general public on Costa Esuri.
The laws in the town hall are very clear with what you have to do to open a business in those areas and of course depending on the business it is (Bar, restaurant, Shop, ) you will have to present the appropriate plans, safety measures and environmental impact report like many other European towns and cities. All you have to do is visit the second floor in the town hall and they will list exactly what you need.
For argument sake let’s say you want to open a restaurant with live music well one of the very important parts of that report will be the soundproofing of the local.
Contrary to what some people might think there are people very interested in opening businesses on Costa Esuri and in the yellow marked areas.
You all know I am an estate agent and I also have various builds that I look after on Costa Esuri and I would be delighted to see more businesses open on Costa Esuri. Hopefully we will see that very soon.

EsuriJohn Jan 20th 2013 7:46 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 

Originally Posted by Michaelh (Post 10495166)
Like in the wizard of Oz "follow the yellow brick road". The yellow areas in the plan I uploaded earlier is where a business can open to the general public on Costa Esuri.
The laws in the town hall are very clear with what you have to do to open a business in those areas and of course depending on the business it is (Bar, restaurant, Shop, ) you will have to present the appropriate plans, safety measures and environmental impact report like many other European towns and cities. All you have to do is visit the second floor in the town hall and they will list exactly what you need.
For argument sake let’s say you want to open a restaurant with live music well one of the very important parts of that report will be the soundproofing of the local.
Contrary to what some people might think there are people very interested in opening businesses on Costa Esuri and in the yellow marked areas.
You all know I am an estate agent and I also have various builds that I look after on Costa Esuri and I would be delighted to see more businesses open on Costa Esuri. Hopefully we will see that very soon.

See post #80 something was happening next to the shop on Saturday morning!

tednsharon Jan 20th 2013 8:12 am

Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
I have money I would invest in esuri in a bar or restaurant but not willing to do by myself as I do not have enough time or experience for it to be successful need help from someone else who's in????


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