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I have a dream..........

Jags re-opens as a bar/resto with full licenses in place. They could also offer a membership, which I personally think was a great idea for up front financing.

The bar above the 'local' (shop) opens up for business.

I personally would like to see a UK -style business for one and also a Spanish(Portuguese) for the other.

My dream continues for other businesses like eg gyms/spa's, even a chinese shop (that I dont like much ) Burger King (that I dont like much ) etc etc on the site. As well as a medical service as offered by the mayor as a way to get votes.... never arrived of course!

Even a church - and I'm not religious..... Pharmacy

Anything that encourages more business to CE.... and makes it an actual community and we feel closer to living in a village/town

Jon

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So you were, in effect wrong when you said that Jag had run the gauntlet and not both partners; both partners were 'running the gauntlet' at the outset and then one ie Jag post termination of the partnership, surely!

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HEAR HEAR!!

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Sorry, I thought that is what I just said

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Thanks VS I was wrong about the risk/reward thing, your post arrived whilst I was writing mine...

I forget all the details - but I actually thought there was no refunds etc, as did my friends that didn't invest. I wonder if there's any chance for the members to get a refund in reality :thumbdown:

We didn't read the small print.... and I don't have the leaflet anymore..... thanks for explaining this

Jon

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Really? Even if the owners knew that they were trading illegally with the prospect of being closed down at any time and did not inform the members prior to investment. Hypothetically of course...

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Grüß Gott

Of course.... I mentioned the very same point in my earlier post so was the one that bought it up.

I also thought it was a risk/reward thing, till VS corrected me about a refund potential. I don't know the small print....

It's very messy and I don't see anyone taking legal action. We have no money lost so we are OK.... but if VS was right in his earlier post then one could argue that members were 'duped' by the partners..... as you are also implying (hypothetically)...

....... Messy

.......... Hypothetically

........ Allegedly...

etc

Jon

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Probably best to let sleeping dogs lie! Hope for some good news soon!

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I don't believe there was any question of 'duping'. The original enterprise was set up in good faith by the original partners and 'investors' were invited to take out memberships with an excellent return in order to generate operating capital for the start-up. If anybody was unaware of the potential risks then they were extremely naive. I'm also doubtful whether the business set out to operate illegally. ISTR that the original opening was delayed because of some building irregularities which had been 'denounced' by a well-wisher!. The town hall presumably crawled all over the proposition before allowing the business to open. I suspect that what happened was essentially mission creep. The bistro was set up as a member's sports club (with I would guess the appropriate permission) - but soon started to allow the general public non-members - ie starting to sail close the wind which seems to be common practice in parts of Spain. This continued with a blind eye from the town hall until the furore about the near-drowning and the noise complaints meant that notice had to be taken.

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I think you have probably hit the nail on the head, well summed up!!

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GREAT!

Now as thats history, can we get back to the business case?

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And let's leave the little shop out of it. The more the better on CE!

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Jon you eat to much chesse;)

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As an outsider living in a Portuguese suburb a fraction of the size of CE and which has a couple of bars, a cafe and a restaurant and kindergarten I just cannot understand why there aren't bars and restaurants on CE. Ours just about survive these difficult times but we can still get a beer at a euro. They are not fancy bars by any means but you have a place to gather and see friendly faces. They are close to each other and all offer drink but otherwise they are slightly different - one offers food and the morning bread, another just drinks and is a sunny spot. In practice they do chase the same business but so far they are managing to stay open so I don't go with the view that the competition would force closure of one.

I can only assume the following for CE:
1. Most homes on CE are holiday homes and they aren't used much except for the two busy months. Some estimate of how many permanent residents there are would help to provide confidence to anyone wishing to set up.
2. The owners of the designated shopping areas (is that Martinsa Fadesa?) are charging ridiculous rents. I don't understand this but assume it is in the Spanish psyche - do they not understand that a successful business encourages more.
3. The Ayamonte and Spanish system is too complex and bureaucratic for most people whether Spanish or otherwise to contemplate trying to see their way through if there are potential risks to their investment. What is the town hall doing to generate business on CE or do they simply not care?
4. Did Jag not consider opening his business in one of the proper designated areas where he would not have had the same problems. I know it would not have been as smart but at least he would have had a business. I only went a few times but feel sad for those of you who live on CE as you have lost a very nice facility.

It might take a big community consortium to get a bar cum restaurant going on CE but someone will need to be the driving force behind it. The shares idea is a good one - would it work again?

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Spoiler alert: LordMayor isn't going to like this post as he has friends in the town hall. :ohmy:

Yes, Bill, been eating to much cheese to have such ambitious dreams!

Town hall officials preside over the EUC, they happily take money for that and eg IBI etc from thousands of homeowners here.

However they don't think we are worthy of a bus service...... or even a post box!! :thumbdown:

Crack open a wheel of Camembert - time to go to my dreamworld and imagine such lofty ideals!!

Jon