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-   -   Jags - 'Business case?' (https://britishexpats.com/forum/spain-75/jags-business-case-783468/)

N.P Jan 18th 2013 9:24 pm
Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Buck (Post 10492515)
Surely when Jag took the place on it was never restricted just to the villa owners. It must have been extended to least paying members of the public. If this was the case anyone starting it up again could offer memberships at say 5 euros per person to make it above board. I would pay wouldn't you?
Yes it was restricted to just the villa owners. Seeing, or hearing from an official, is believing so I suggest you go to the town hall and find out for yourself. And a big NO, I would not pay to get in to an illegally run establishment as I think one should abide by the law.

mrtrumper Jan 18th 2013 9:26 pm
Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Originally Posted by Carol&John (Post 10492550)
Thanks for the map, Michaelh. Did this come from the Ayuntamiento? I see the Golf clubhouse is not in a "yellow" public space. It has a membership plan, yet it is open to the public. How/why/when the change?
ha ha, good one! Obviously not serious though surely?

Michaelh Jan 18th 2013 9:27 pm
Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Originally Posted by Carol&John (Post 10492550)
Thanks for the map, Michaelh. Did this come from the Ayuntamiento? I see the Golf clubhouse is not in a "yellow" public space. It has a membership plan, yet it is open to the public. How/why/when the change?
Hotels, Golf, Medical centres, Sports Areas, Social services areas all come under different categories and must adhere to different rules & regs. I will edit my above post to explain each area.

mrtrumper Jan 18th 2013 9:31 pm
Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Originally Posted by Michaelh (Post 10492559)
Hotels, Golf, Medical centres, Sports Areas, Social services areas all come under different categories and must adhere to different rules & regs. I will edit my above post to explain each area.
Thank you very much for the plan. Very useful and informative. I remember looking at it of course at the outset but great to have a recap and have it explained in more detail. Great stuff.

bxpuser24710519 Jan 18th 2013 9:33 pm
Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Buck (Post 10492529)
I heard (don't shoot the messenger) from a source in the know that there are few parties interested in taking this venue over, but the debts from the previous owner have to sorted out first. If true hopefully something could be sorted by the summer:fingerscrossed:
Parties being interested in it is old news, when I moved here in June I heard there were several people interested in it talking it over then. If all the people who take the high moral ground knew it was not legal I hope they never used it. Nor any other premises that have not got full permissions for how it is run.

As to the future plan for the place, if it is restricted to use only for the villa owners or even Esuri in total I cannot think how it could be viable business for anyone, are there enough permanent people there that could sustain any kind of business. A posh private house seems a good idea but what do about the pool may be difficult.

N.P Jan 18th 2013 9:35 pm
Re: Commercial Plots on Esuri
 
Originally Posted by Michaelh (Post 10492521)
It would be great to see new businesses on Costa Esuri: Bar, Restaurants, Hairdressers and even a chemist. The areas where these businesses can open to the general public has already been designated in the original plan of the whole of the Costa Esuri complex, this plan was drawn up I think in 2004/5. Anyway there are 7 areas earmarked for commercial exploitation. They are the areas marked in yellow on the plan in the attachment below.
It would be great for all if any of these businesses could be on Esuri. My feeling is that for one person from outside to take this on may be daunting. Perhaps a few people living on Esuri could get together and go in to business. It would spread the cost, work load and risk. Hopefully some of you have the funds. Unfortunately I do not. The space above the shop looks a great opportunity.

Carol&John Jan 18th 2013 9:35 pm
Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Re: map. Yes, thank you, Michaelh, I think I understand. I also see there are 2 shades of yellow (C = commercial, H = hotel). Darker green = Golf. Lighter green = Zona Verde. Etc.

mrtrumper Jan 18th 2013 9:39 pm
Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Originally Posted by Carol&John (Post 10492569)
Re: map. Yes, thank you, Michaelh, I think I understand. I also see there are 2 shades of yellow (C = commercial, H = hotel). Darker green = Golf. Lighter green = Zona Verde. Etc.
sky blue residential building plots.........

mrtrumper Jan 18th 2013 9:40 pm
Re: Commercial Plots on Esuri
 
Originally Posted by N.P (Post 10492568)
It would be great for all if any of these businesses could be on Esuri. My feeling is that for one person from outside to take this on may be daunting. Perhaps a few people living on Esuri could get together and go in to business. It would spread the cost, work load and risk. Hopefully some of you have the funds. Unfortunately I do not. The space above the shop looks a great opportunity.
Nail on head - Both points!

Uncle Buck Jan 18th 2013 9:42 pm
Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Originally Posted by N.P (Post 10492553)
Yes it was restricted to just the villa owners. Seeing, or hearing from an official, is believing so I suggest you go to the town hall and find out for yourself. And a big NO, I would not pay to get in to an illegally run establishment as I think one should abide by the law.
Maybe it was restricted to the owners in the original pan, but I find it hard to believe that Jag and Gavin would have pumped that much into a place that only had a handful of owners to serve. My understanding was that the usage was changed, on a short term agreement, to allow it to be used buy a wider audience and operate as "Jags" until their we're enough owners to take it back over.

mrtrumper Jan 18th 2013 9:45 pm
Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Buck (Post 10492579)
Maybe it was restricted to the owners in the original pan, but I find it hard to believe that Jag and Gavin would have pumped that much into a place that only had a handful of owners to serve. My understanding was that the usage was changed, on a short term agreement, to allow it to be used buy a wider audience and operate as "Jags" until their we're enough owners to take it back over.

But was that agreed with the villa owners or the council. I would not have thought that the villa owners would have the power to change local authority planning rules!? I don't know - I'm just asking?

Carol&John Jan 18th 2013 9:46 pm
Re: Commercial Plots on Esuri
 
Originally Posted by N.P (Post 10492568)
It would be great for all if any of these businesses could be on Esuri. My feeling is that for one person from outside to take this on may be daunting. Perhaps a few people living on Esuri could get together and go in to business. It would spread the cost, work load and risk. Hopefully some of you have the funds. Unfortunately I do not. The space above the shop looks a great opportunity.
I think the membership at the golf club is doing something of the sort already?

Moreover the "business case" for accommodation in the CE golfcourse area. It's great that the hotel next to the IC golf course will reopen. However, with the parador closing at the time of the "Winter birds/golfers" ( this January - March, then beginning November - end of December 2013) where will this business go? IC or Portugal?

Uncle Buck Jan 18th 2013 9:49 pm
Re: Jags - 'Business case?'
 
Originally Posted by mrtrumper (Post 10492583)
But was that agreed with the villa owners or the council. I would not have thought that the villa owners would have the power to change local authority planning rules!? I don't know - I'm just asking?
I thought it was with the council, but thats only what I heard.

Uncle Buck Jan 18th 2013 9:53 pm
Re: Commercial Plots on Esuri
 
Originally Posted by N.P (Post 10492568)
It would be great for all if any of these businesses could be on Esuri. My feeling is that for one person from outside to take this on may be daunting. Perhaps a few people living on Esuri could get together and go in to business. It would spread the cost, work load and risk. Hopefully some of you have the funds. Unfortunately I do not. The space above the shop looks a great opportunity.
Maybe an ex bar owner living on the ground in CE could look into setting up a consortium to open up what we all want to have. Spread the costs and the risks. If it is done properly it could be very profitable for all involved :thumbsup:

Mitzyboy Jan 18th 2013 10:03 pm
Re: Commercial Plots on Esuri
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Buck (Post 10492593)
Maybe an ex bar owner living on the ground in CE could look into setting up a consortium to open up what we all want to have. Spread the costs and the risks. If it is done properly it could be very profitable for all involved :thumbsup:
Damned good idea!
Around Warwickshire where I used to live the local shops in many villages started closing, so in at least two villages I know the locals all clubbed together and reopened them as a co-operative. They worked well, and I did see an article on TV where they did it with a pub and incorporated a shop and post office with it


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