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As I have mentioned on other threads, the closing of Jags was not down to "ever changing goal posts". it was down to the fact it had been running illegally without the correct license. Although I feel sorry for the employees and their family, Jag was aware he was running the gauntlet by opening illegally and knew there was a possibility he would not be allowed to continue, should he encounter problems with the Town Hall. He took the risk and paid the price, so I do not feel sorry for him. It is a shame for all Esurians but an illegal business cannot be allowed to trade.

The law may be an ass, however, it is STILL the law!

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Have you proof of that ?

Do you have sympathy with the owner of the shop who I am led to believe is running an illegal business ? If he closes will you feel sorry for him and his family also or not ?

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It is common knowledge Jags did not have the correct license. It is very easy to enquire at the Town Hall if you want to check it. Regards the shop, if indeed he is trading illegally then he is taking the same risks and that could lead to the same outcome. Why should we feel sorry for people who are not trading legally and hence not paying their correct fees, insurance or taxes?

Would we tolerate it in the Uk if sombody opened a business illegally next to, and therefore affecting a legal business? OF COURSE NOT! So why do we get on our high horses here and blame the authorities because we dont have the services we wouild like, when they are just doing their job?

Instead of complaining about it why dont you Esurians have a whip round and open your own bar or restaurant?

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Common knowledge or good old gossip ? have you proof of what you said ?Have you been to the council and got a definitive answer ?

Can you, for certain say, that all establishments you have used in Ayamonte HAVE ALL the correct permissions ? I was told of several others that run somewhat illegally and so far not closed. There are so many stories concerning this particular business and none match that I have heard. Not that it matters now as it is closed.

If by 'you Esurians' you include me then don't, I do not live there. Do you ?

I don't live in the UK either. As many backhanders under the table deals with illegal business there as anywhere I would have thought.

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¡Hola mis esurianos!
Glad you like the ideas, Mel. I'm sure someone with a background in physical fitness/physiotherapy/beauty could consider the business aspects, without the need of a "whip round":thumbdown:. Perhaps "network" (that's what young folk do, isn't it?) with local government and AYPMES (small business schemes).

Ayamonte has teamed with VRSA as a "Eurociudad". I have heard there are excellent sporting venues/facilities in both towns (eg. "Mundialito"). Can the new eurociudad entice the outside world to come and train/relax/rejuvenate?

Re: Quiz Nights are fun. Not forgetting the odd Bingo Night! It does not have to be an "oldies night out", as many younger people enjoy playing the numbers game.

Back on topic of "business case": How about a resto/bar next to the fitness suite that does healthy "burgers" and "shakes", "cold or hot soups" and "juices"? The municipal pool/gym (the last time I visited) had a burger bar/donuts counter . It's funny how the two opposites attract; a bit of "ying and yang".

Keeping to the theme of Zen gardens, ying&yang, how about a sushi bar? It could be "Feng Sushi" (I googled the name, and sure enough, there are several in London!):D

Hope you enjoyed the read,

Carol

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:D All talk, that'll be moi!
See my post above for Feng Sushi, or 100 Burgerditos, or...wait for it...La Zanahoria:thumbsup:.

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Spanish- Non Spanish?

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In relation to what ?

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What we need is that a nephew of an "important official" of the local municipality to be looking for a business opportunity and then we will very soon have again all that we have lost (and no more 'trouble' with the neighbours.:rofl::rofl:

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Hi VS yes you've said things before as have other people saying other things. There's a lot of discussion about this. I'm not sure if any one person knows the full facts except the partners who started the business. The rest is gossip.

However lets assume you are right in your post, and assume that you actually do know the facts .... then............. (with your own comments highlighted in red above...)

It should be noted that when the business started it was a partnership so both partners took the risk, the other partner is an excellent chef and has experience running and consulting on resto's. Add to that, Jag has a law degree and ran other businesses in Spain.

Impressive qualifications for starting a new business. Engenders confidence from the clients.

So if you are right in your post (and you may not be) then the partners that opened the resto were both to blame.. Members that paid the membership monies to help start the business, were also 'duped' (IF you are right in your post). I dont think anybody would have paid membership if they knew the highlighted comments above.

Whether you are right or not, we have lost a business on CE that attracted lots of people and MANY people are upset over this.... for various reasons.

I would prefer it if you were wrong...
Jon

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Excellent summary Jon, I don't think that he is wrong and I have mentioned the membership monies previously. I don't think the flyer's referred to the lack of a licence....

I would like to hear if the members have been paid back any unused money? (my understanding was that you paid so much upfront and then had that money creditited against meals) Does anyone know the answer to this?

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I do have much sympathy for the staff but I don't blame the local authority or the neighbours.

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Both sound like really very good ideas. Particuarly see a small gym doing quite well. Nice business to run in the sun!

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I think it was a risk/reward thing. Those that paid took the risk that the business would not fail. Hoping to get an impressive 50% 'return' over 3 (or 5) years.

I know people that took the risk, knowing it up-front... I also know people that didn't 'invest' for this very reason...

For this the partners were very clear up front, and I remember speaking to them about this at the beginning... there was also a leaflet (I think) explaining all this.

So members should not expect a refund of any kind. IMHO.

Have fun and drink a stein for us!

Jon

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Hi Jon,

As you say Jags opened as a partnership so at that time both partners were presumably responsible. I would also like to think people had not been "duped".

I did not personally take up the membership but did receive information about it as I know both partners and am on the Jags mailing list. There was a clause in the agreement saying if Jags closed for any reason before people had received their full benefits, they would have their monies or a percentage returned.

This said, hopefully if Jags had closed sooner, the partners would have been prepared to honour this and return any monies owed. Obviously since the termination of the patnership, any responsibility then becomes the sole responsibility of the remaining partner, as is common business law in Spain.

The reason I said Jag had run the gauntlet and not both partners is purely as he was the sole owner at the time it was closed down.

I also am disappointed at the situation as the more businesses on Esuri, the better for Ayamonte and the whole area. It would be great for Esuri for Jags to re-open and also encourage others to bite the bullet and maybe invest in other activities there.