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Old Jun 7th 2012 | 8:03 pm
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
That may well be the case but this story is about Holland and one of their black players being racially abused. Are they just making it up in support of the BBC's Panorama program? If thats the case its a little bit odd isn't it?
There probably is a problem with racism in Poland and Ukraine. Like in Spain, it is probabaly more a Q that people arent aware of what is acceptable and unacceptable behaviour concerning skin colour

But for the UK media to go on about how its unsafe to travel because of it is a disgrace

I've seen a load of England fans mimic WWII bombers in front of German fans. Equally "racist" and offensive, but there have been no 1 hour specials about it. In fact the media encourage this behaviour
 
Old Jun 7th 2012 | 8:04 pm
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Originally Posted by cricketman
The UK needs to learn a bit of tolerance itself

All we hear from the UK media is that x and y countries are racists. They've picked on Spain a number of times

He with a racist mind sees racism everywhere.

The BBC have an agenda to show the Central and Eastern European countries as "backward" so they are running with it. Ironically it is an entirely racist agenda, similar to the racist PIIGS headlines seen throughout the UK newspapers

It is for the countries and individuals themselves to sort out their issues. If there is an actually incident then let the appropriate people deal with it
Of course,it's all made up C'man,...would never happen in Spain.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/extra/9...n-racial-abuse

In some respects Spain has a way to go before entering the 21st century as a modern civilised EU country.
It was not an isolated incident. It's happened at international matches.
It's also happened numerous times at all Spanish La Liga games.
Sad to see Spains preference to sweep most of it under the carpet and try giving it a false interpretation.
 
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Of course,it's all made up C'man,...would never happen in Spain.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/extra/9...n-racial-abuse

In some respects Spain has a way to go before entering the 21st century as a modern civilised EU country.
It was not an isolated incident. It's happened at international matches.
It's also happened numerous times at all Spanish La Liga games.
Sad to see Spains preference to sweep most of it under the carpet and try giving it a false interpretation.
You've missed my point completely

And btw the Hamilton thing wasnt racist in the slightest. People "black up" at carnival time all the time in Spain (it was carnival time). They are not belittling black people by doing so, in fact quite the opposite. It is only in the UK and US where doing so is deemed as racist.

Again, a case of judging people based on your own racist principles.
 
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This is all about people from the UK who have been brainwashed by the fluffy bunnies for the last couple of decades deciding whether the standards of other countries are the same as those imposed in the UK.

How Spain, Poland, Ukraine et al respond to coloured (can I use that in this forum?) players is their business not ours. There used to be a time when the most popular group of singers were the Black and White Minstrels and it was seen as a badge of honour to have Robinson's Gollies on your lapel.

Before telling other people how to behave perhaps people should have another think about the religious arguements between Celtic and Rangers.
And just remember that when those Asian guys on the bus are making comments about English girls in short skirts that that is also unacceptable - but you wouldnt know it because they know you don't speak their language.
 
Old Jun 7th 2012 | 8:29 pm
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Originally Posted by cricketman
You've missed my point completely

And btw the Hamilton thing wasnt racist in the slightest. People "black up" at carnival time all the time in Spain (it was carnival time). They are not belittling black people by doing so, in fact quite the opposite. It is only in the UK and US where doing so is deemed as racist.

Again, a case of judging people based on your own racist principles.
Not often I'm lost for words, but your response leaves me gobsmacked and wondering when, with attitudes such as yours such disgusting occurances will be properly dealt with.

I also note that you choose to totally ignore racial incidents at all Spanish La Liga matches including monkey chants and displays of Nazism which have occured in recent years.
 
Old Jun 7th 2012 | 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Domino

How Spain, Poland, Ukraine et al respond to coloured (can I use that in this forum?) players is their business not ours.
With such widespread TV coverage, I would say that it's all of Europes business, if not the rest of the World.
 
Old Jun 7th 2012 | 8:36 pm
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The whole thing should be called off, the players should walk off. Won't happen though cos it's all about money!

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Originally Posted by Domino
This is all about people from the UK who have been brainwashed by the fluffy bunnies for the last couple of decades deciding whether the standards of other countries are the same as those imposed in the UK.
Exactly. Its like a person who goes round criticizing everyone else because deep down they are really insecure about themselves

DD, the occurance is "disgusting" in your "racist" eyes that obviously sees people with dark skin as inferior to people with white skin. If you didnt think that, then why would people blacking up be seen as racist?

You could also say that people putting on a blonde or ginger wig pretending to be Lady Gaga or Boris Becker was racist

In Spain, the main problem is people dont empathise with black people thinking about what it would be like to be of a different skin colour in their country. And thats because racism is almost never mentioned in the Spanish media - and when it is, it is usually to defend themselves against the evangelical British

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Old Jun 7th 2012 | 8:56 pm
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I see little hope with blinkered attitudes like C'mans.

I have often wondered why in all the thousands of hours I have spent watching Spanish news programmes and reports, I have yet to see a newsreader/reporter of obviously non-Spanish origin.
 
Old Jun 7th 2012 | 8:59 pm
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Originally Posted by cricketman
There probably is a problem with racism in Poland and Ukraine. Like in Spain, it is probabaly more a Q that people arent aware of what is acceptable and unacceptable behaviour concerning skin colour

But for the UK media to go on about how its unsafe to travel because of it is a disgrace

I've seen a load of England fans mimic WWII bombers in front of German fans. Equally "racist" and offensive, but there have been no 1 hour specials about it. In fact the media encourage this behaviour
You are missing the point and I suspect you are doing so on purpose. The article is about something that actually happened, it was an incident that the HOLLAND players experienced, not the Panorama program, the BBC or the British Media, its an article about something that actually happened, just like the Nazi salute in the program that was explained away afterwards as "pointing" to the opposing fans.... Oh and who is comparing? Did I say we are innocent? Did I say that we lead the world in Football Ethics? My original post on this subject tarred the whole filthy sport with the same brush so putting up some sort of boring comparison argument just doesn't wash.
 
Old Jun 7th 2012 | 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Domino
This is all about people from the UK who have been brainwashed by the fluffy bunnies for the last couple of decades deciding whether the standards of other countries are the same as those imposed in the UK.

How Spain, Poland, Ukraine et al respond to coloured (can I use that in this forum?) players is their business not ours. There used to be a time when the most popular group of singers were the Black and White Minstrels and it was seen as a badge of honour to have Robinson's Gollies on your lapel.

Before telling other people how to behave perhaps people should have another think about the religious arguements between Celtic and Rangers.
And just remember that when those Asian guys on the bus are making comments about English girls in short skirts that that is also unacceptable - but you wouldnt know it because they know you don't speak their language.
We also used to have slavery in the UK. Should we continue to do so because after all, what we do here in the UK shouldn't be anyone else's business? Sorry but thats a weak argument, we need to move on or we end up in some weird "Old Empire" smokey haze where we still call them Fuzzy Wuzzies and Wogs!

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Racism in European football has been all over the news for a couple of days now, here in Spain too. The football itself is hardly mentioned.

What I find weird is that the Ukraine and Poland are 'white' countries, yet a lot of their fans are racists. Maybe that's why; we have less racism in the UK and the US because we live next door to black people and know that they are no different to us whites.

I don't want to upset football supporters of which I am one, so I won't mention the theory that racism is directly linked to low intellect.
 
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
I see little hope with blinkered attitudes like C'mans.

I have often wondered why in all the thousands of hours I have spent watching Spanish news programmes and reports, I have yet to see a newsreader/reporter of obviously non-Spanish origin.
You obviously dont watch much TV, there is a lady of African origin who reads the sports news on TVE1 every morning! Has done for years

The reason why there are not more on TV is because 30 years ago there were almost no foreigners in Spain. It takes a while for the generation to grow up and become integrated into society, but you are starting to see it now. There is a Chinese girl on Intermedio and a half English girl who presents on C5

You are being close minded and stupid assuming that Spain's history of migration (and racism) is the same as the UK's
 
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Originally Posted by cricketman
You've missed my point completely

And btw the Hamilton thing wasnt racist in the slightest. People "black up" at carnival time all the time in Spain (it was carnival time). They are not belittling black people by doing so, in fact quite the opposite. It is only in the UK and US where doing so is deemed as racist.

Again, a case of judging people based on your own racist principles.
There's a lot of controversy regarding an event called "Darky Day" in Cornwall.

There have been great advances made in the policing and anti-racist policies in UK football. But it still happens, it's by no means perfect yet. Football fans will chant "I'd rather be a P*** than a Turk" when the opposition is a Turkish team. And Anton Ferdinand has been shocked this season at the abuse he has received, in reference to the John Terry accusation. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17796589
 
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Originally Posted by HBG
Racism in European football has been all over the news for a couple of days now, here in Spain too. The football itself is hardly mentioned.

What I find weird is that the Ukraine and Poland are 'white' countries, yet a lot of their fans are racists. Maybe that's why; we have less racism in the UK and the US because we live next door to black people and know that they are no different to us whites.

I don't want to upset football supporters of which I am one, so I won't mention the theory that racism is directly linked to low intellect.
The US is one of the most racist countries in the world! Go over there and you will see how races never mix, they live in a voluntary apartheid

I have family who went to high school there, they said kids were completely segregated by race and would never talk to each other.
 


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