Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to The Reid <[email protected]> :
>
> >On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:13:26 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> >_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >
> >>I use a 2B pencil and paper. I use the computer for typesetting the
> >>music. That's what saves the money too.
> >
> >so why is composing on paper better? Most authors compose at the
> >keyboard, I assume?
>
> The piano keyboard, not the PC keyboard, silly. :-)

I just thought that Reid might have actually meant authors of words.

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:50:33 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:13:21 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> >Surely there must be some Windows software you would like?
>> >>
>> >> Agent? :-)
>> >
>> >I really do like MacSOUP, but others have problems with it. It doesn't
>> >support binaries, but I don't read them, and individual doesn't do them
>> >anyway.
>>
>> Flight Simulator?
>
>I had an old mac version in the early 90s which I played with for a
>while. Even with the nifty graphics etc. of current versions, I don't
>know if it's something I'm after. The only application which I've
>awaited a mac version of with eager anticipation was google earth!

I'm told by the ultimate Mac enthusiast elsewhere, that all models of Mac will
run Google Earth.
--

Martin

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:50:34 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> of course not. I'm with you on this.
>
>There's a difference though. If I misuse some software, the right to use
>it can be revoked. This is a bit harder with, say, an orange!

but not with a car! I'm not sure how misuse of software works? What
can I do with Agent they should be able to stop me using it?
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:50:35 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>And fairly normal to have it refused or agreed to at financially harsh
>terms. One reason I only set texts by writers out of copyright!

so we wont be seeing "yellow submarine" for string quarter anytime
soon. Pity.
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Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:58:41 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> >so why is composing on paper better? Most authors compose at the
>> >keyboard, I assume?
>>
>> The piano keyboard, not the PC keyboard, silly. :-)
>
>I just thought that Reid might have actually meant authors of words.

I did! :-)
I assumed you now sat at piano and/or a PC/Mac.
Wait a minute, shouldn't it be possible to play a special keyboard and
the PC/Mac plays the notes and records them as notation, then you edit
it with the text features of the keyboard. I have a feeling you are
going to say its not like that.
--
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UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:50:33 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> Flight Simulator?
>
>I had an old mac version in the early 90s which I played with for a
>while. Even with the nifty graphics etc. of current versions, I don't
>know if it's something I'm after.

Its not for everybody although I remain amazed at having a fairly
realistic world to fly round on the PC, I mainly fly over my favourite
hills. A lot of people seem to enjoy navigating large airliners over
long hauls, which leaves me cold.

>The only application which I've
>awaited a mac version of with eager anticipation was google earth!

that's something I must get round to.

I would swear I mentioned another program, cant remember what, oh well
:-)
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Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:50:33 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:13:21 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >Surely there must be some Windows software you would like?
> >> >>
> >> >> Agent? :-)
> >> >
> >> >I really do like MacSOUP, but others have problems with it. It doesn't
> >> >support binaries, but I don't read them, and individual doesn't do them
> >> >anyway.
> >>
> >> Flight Simulator?
> >
> >I had an old mac version in the early 90s which I played with for a
> >while. Even with the nifty graphics etc. of current versions, I don't
> >know if it's something I'm after. The only application which I've
> >awaited a mac version of with eager anticipation was google earth!
>
> I'm told by the ultimate Mac enthusiast elsewhere, that all models of Mac will
> run Google Earth.

Even ones not running OS X?

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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:58:41 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >so why is composing on paper better? Most authors compose at the
> >> >keyboard, I assume?
> >>
> >> The piano keyboard, not the PC keyboard, silly. :-)
> >
> >I just thought that Reid might have actually meant authors of words.
>
> I did! :-)
> I assumed you now sat at piano and/or a PC/Mac.

I mostly compose in my head, using a piano to check some things. I use
the computer as a typesetting tool.

> Wait a minute, shouldn't it be possible to play a special keyboard

MIDI keyboard- I have a cheap one I bought for around £20.

> and
> the PC/Mac plays the notes and records them as notation, then you edit
> it with the text features of the keyboard. I have a feeling you are
> going to say its not like that.

It's sort of like that. Many programmes will do that, but unless the
music is very straightforward, it's a mess that requires a lot of
editing. My own stuff is too intricate for that, so basically I input
the pitches with one hand on a MIDI keyboard, and modify what I need to
(rhythm, enharmonic spelling, tuplets etc.) with the other. It's
surprisingly quick, actually.

--
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:50:34 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Following up to B Vaughan<[email protected]> :
>>
>> >On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:31:22 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>Following up to Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> :
>> >>
>> >>>B Vaughan:
>> >>>> David Horne wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I did too. Note that this is software, which we purchased,
>> >>>> not a service that we pay for.
>> >>>
>> >>>In case of software, there's not much difference.
>> >>>Note that you don't purchase the software, but only obtain a licence to
>> >>>use it. The software isn't yours.
>> >>
>> >>In the same way that the content of many books you buy don't belong to you
>> >>either.
>> >
>> >So have you ever mentioned to someone that you've just licensed the
>> >contents of a book, or do you say you bought it?
>>
>> of course not. I'm with you on this.
>
>There's a difference though. If I misuse some software, the right to use
>it can be revoked. This is a bit harder with, say, an orange!

Who brought oranges into this?

If you misuse the contents of a book, say by photocopying it and
selling it on Ebay, you will be in trouble with the law. As far as I
know, you're free to do whatever you want with an orange, at least
between consenting adults.

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Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:59:27 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:44:53 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:31:22 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Following up to Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> :
>>>
>>>>B Vaughan:
>>>>> David Horne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I did too. Note that this is software, which we purchased,
>>>>> not a service that we pay for.
>>>>
>>>>In case of software, there's not much difference.
>>>>Note that you don't purchase the software, but only obtain a licence to
>>>>use it. The software isn't yours.
>>>
>>>In the same way that the content of many books you buy don't belong to you
>>>either.
>>
>>So have you ever mentioned to someone that you've just licensed the
>>contents of a book, or do you say you bought it?
>
>It's fairly normal to ask for permission to copy a part into another
>publication.

My point was about the use of language, specifically, about the
commonly understood meaning of the verb "to buy" as a description of
the transaction that takes place in Borders when you hand over cash
and walk out with a book under your arm, or, by analogy, when you
transmit some cash to Agent via Paypal and receive by email a
registration code that allows you to use their software.

--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:10:34 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Blacklist. Any e-mails you bounce back get their senders details put on the
>blacklist for easy removal if they come back. You can even set it to
>automatically bounce and delete blacklisted e-mails, or whole domains off the
>server. Plus, MailWasher can use external blacklists such as ORDB and Spam Cop
>or you can specify your own."
>
>I hope you aren't bouncing back e-mails. Spam rarely comes from the person named
>in the header.

Maintaining blacklists of senders is utterly futile. The same header
rarely gets used twice.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:19:36 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:50:33 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:13:21 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> >Surely there must be some Windows software you would like?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Agent? :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >I really do like MacSOUP, but others have problems with it. It doesn't
>> >> >support binaries, but I don't read them, and individual doesn't do them
>> >> >anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Flight Simulator?
>> >
>> >I had an old mac version in the early 90s which I played with for a
>> >while. Even with the nifty graphics etc. of current versions, I don't
>> >know if it's something I'm after. The only application which I've
>> >awaited a mac version of with eager anticipation was google earth!
>>
>> I'm told by the ultimate Mac enthusiast elsewhere, that all models of Mac will
>> run Google Earth.
>
>Even ones not running OS X?

I'm told that every model ever made can run OS X.
--

Martin

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:36:31 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:


>If you misuse the contents of a book, say by photocopying it and
>selling it on Ebay, you will be in trouble with the law. As far as I
>know, you're free to do whatever you want with an orange, at least
>between consenting adults.

and thus gRunge mounted on Jacqueloon a l'orange with an Apple in his mouth.
--

Martin

B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:50:34 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >There's a difference though. If I misuse some software, the right to use
> >it can be revoked. This is a bit harder with, say, an orange!
>
> Who brought oranges into this?
>
> If you misuse the contents of a book, say by photocopying it and
> selling it on Ebay, you will be in trouble with the law. As far as I
> know, you're free to do whatever you want with an orange, at least
> between consenting adults.

You're missing the point. If you misuse an orange by throwing at
someone, you get into trouble for that act. If you misuse software, in a
way which may not get you into trouble with the law, the license to use
it can be revoked and the software could be rendered unusable (for
example, with applications which require online authentication.) It
would be something akin to a book suddenly being removed from you if you
quoted it illegally.

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:50:34 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:


>There's a difference though. If I misuse some software, the right to use
>it can be revoked. This is a bit harder with, say, an orange!

May I refer the Honourable Gentleman to Paragrph (iii) of the Misuse
of Fruit (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act of 1877?



Keith, Bristol, UK