On 31 jan, 11:30, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2007 01:50:35 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> >On 30 jan, 19:01, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:48:21 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >> >The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:29:15 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> >> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >I've been using Free Agent to access newsgroups for years. It's no
> >> >> >> >longer free and I've got 1 day left to use it without paying.
>
> >> >> >> i paid for Agent.
>
> >> >> >It must be quite special if you pay for it. Why do you?
>
> >> >> because I liked the free version and so paid up. Its not much. Nobody
> >> >> pay, no software.
> >> >> I'm happy to pay if the price doesn't get silly, which it does for
> >> >> some software.
>
> >> >I pay around £100 a year for upgrades on notation software, but it's
> >> >worth it. It saves thousands of pounds each year for people like me.
>
> >> Having a Mac you will miss all the fun of finding out exactly what Vista will do
> >> for you.
>
> >Not really, since the better bits are a copy of Mac OS X
>
> >http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/living/16555680.htm
>
> You miss the point. The fun is in running the system evaluation tool that MS
> provides that convinced me in seconds that the basic upgrade costing EUR 150
> provides almost zero, that I don't have already.
>
> Exactly what are the best bits of Mac that I am missing? What is on offer looks
> like 3D cosmetics that I can well do without.

I said exactly the opposite - I said that the best bits of *VISTA* are
copied from OS X. Not the same thing at all.

B;

On 31 jan, 12:13, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:23:49 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
> > <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
> > >Let is be knownst that on Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:36:20 +0000,
> > >[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
> []
> > >>It's not going to cost me anything, because I'm not going to run it, and
> > >>I don't run XP on my mac either.
>
> > >Surely there must be some Windows software you would like?
>
> > Agent? :-)
>
> I really do like MacSOUP, but others have problems with it. It doesn't
> support binaries, but I don't read them, and individual doesn't do them
> anyway.

I really don't, as it doesn't follow most of the Mac usability rules,
and has a bunch of windows that get lost under each other. I DO like
the graphical thread thingy, though, which is why I stick with it (for
now). I actually like Unison better.

B;

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:38:02 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:42:18 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:36:55 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim C. <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... Following up to Magda <[email protected]> :
... > ...
... > ... >On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:45:28 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim C. <[email protected]>
... > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ... >
... > ... > ... Following up to Magda <[email protected]> :
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... >Not a great difference between them; stay put. I tried others too, but always came back to
... > ... > ... >Agent. Guess I'm too used to it, after 10 years...
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... can't teach an old dog new tricks. :-)
... > ... >
... > ... >Well, you surely *can*.
... > ... >
... > ... >If the dog will be willing to comply, is another matter.
... > ...
... > ... Are you willing?
... >
... >No. Are you?
... >
... >
... >> whisper quietly as Martin might be listening ;-)
... >
... >No use whispering, he is an old bat!
...
... Oi! I heard that.

Bats have the finest ears.

Martin wrote:
> Thunderbird s free and does most things.

That's what I use. It's part of the FireFox package.

The latest FireFox is really much better than its predecessor and I
liked that, too.


Keith Anderson wrote:
> I still think that the demise of déja.com (a long time ago now)
> was sad. The layout was clear and posts appeared quickly.

Quickly? Like in about nine hours? Now posts usually appear in fewer
than thirty minutes.

> Still remember the surprise (and disgust) when I tried to sign in
> one day, only to see that it had been taken over by Google.

Also my reaction. I'm used to it now.

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:33:51 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... I don't think 4.2 is on general release.

One of the versions starting with a *4*!

... It has the best e-mail spam filters I have come across. I have turned off all my
... hand made Agent filters except the one that kills 60% of my spam because it is
... in an Asian character set.

You still get that?! I haven't seen one of those in five years. Mailwasher is the best!

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:39:17 +0100, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> wrote:

>B Vaughan:
>> David Horne wrote:
>>
>> >The Reid wrote:
>
>> >> i paid for Agent.
>> >
>> >It must be quite special if you pay for it. Why do you?
>>
>> I did too. Note that this is software, which we purchased,
>> not a service that we pay for.
>
>In case of software, there's not much difference.
>Note that you don't purchase the software, but only obtain a licence to
>use it. The software isn't yours.

Unless I have to renew the license every year, it's the same to me as
if I bought it.

--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:31:22 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Following up to Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> :
>
>>B Vaughan:
>>> David Horne wrote:
>>>
>>> I did too. Note that this is software, which we purchased,
>>> not a service that we pay for.
>>
>>In case of software, there's not much difference.
>>Note that you don't purchase the software, but only obtain a licence to
>>use it. The software isn't yours.
>
>In the same way that the content of many books you buy don't belong to you
>either.

So have you ever mentioned to someone that you've just licensed the
contents of a book, or do you say you bought it?
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

Following up to B Vaughan<[email protected]> :

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:31:22 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Following up to Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> :
>>
>>>B Vaughan:
>>>> David Horne wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I did too. Note that this is software, which we purchased,
>>>> not a service that we pay for.
>>>
>>>In case of software, there's not much difference.
>>>Note that you don't purchase the software, but only obtain a licence to
>>>use it. The software isn't yours.
>>
>>In the same way that the content of many books you buy don't belong to you
>>either.
>
>So have you ever mentioned to someone that you've just licensed the
>contents of a book, or do you say you bought it?

of course not. I'm with you on this.
--
Tim C.

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:31:22 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim C. <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... Following up to Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> :
...
... >B Vaughan:
... >> David Horne wrote:
... >>
... >> >The Reid wrote:
... >
... >> >> i paid for Agent.
... >> >
... >> >It must be quite special if you pay for it. Why do you?
... >>
... >> I did too. Note that this is software, which we purchased,
... >> not a service that we pay for.
... >
... >In case of software, there's not much difference.
... >Note that you don't purchase the software, but only obtain a licence to
... >use it. The software isn't yours.
...
... In the same way that the content of many books you buy don't belong to you
... either.

Is there an invisible smiley somewhere?

Tim C.:
> Following up to Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> :
>
> >B Vaughan:
> >> David Horne wrote:
> >>
> >> >The Reid wrote:
> >
> >> >> i paid for Agent.
> >> >
> >> >It must be quite special if you pay for it. Why do you?
> >>
> >> I did too. Note that this is software, which we purchased,
> >> not a service that we pay for.
> >
> >In case of software, there's not much difference.
> >Note that you don't purchase the software, but only obtain a licence to
> >use it. The software isn't yours.
>
> In the same way that the content of many books you buy don't belong to you
> either.

OK. true.

There's just one more question (this is really a question, since I'm not
sure of the answer): if you buy a book, are you allowed to sell it to
another - just that copy, of course? I guess so.

Suppose you download software, pay up, acquire a licence key, and use
it...can you sell it to somebody else and does this other person acquire
the right to use it?

--
Erick

Following up to Magda <[email protected]> :

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:31:22 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim C. <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... Following up to Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> :
> ...
> ... >B Vaughan:
> ... >> David Horne wrote:
> ... >>
> ... >> >The Reid wrote:
> ... >
> ... >> >> i paid for Agent.
> ... >> >
> ... >> >It must be quite special if you pay for it. Why do you?
> ... >>
> ... >> I did too. Note that this is software, which we purchased,
> ... >> not a service that we pay for.
> ... >
> ... >In case of software, there's not much difference.
> ... >Note that you don't purchase the software, but only obtain a licence to
> ... >use it. The software isn't yours.
> ...
> ... In the same way that the content of many books you buy don't belong to you
> ... either.
>
>Is there an invisible smiley somewhere?

only a little one.
--
Tim C.

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:44:52 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

>Unless I have to renew the license every year, it's the same to me as
>if I bought it.

or anything else for everyday purposes. If I buy a car I don't think I
own the design. I wonder what the legal reason is?
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:13:26 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>I use a 2B pencil and paper. I use the computer for typesetting the
>music. That's what saves the money too.

so why is composing on paper better? Most authors compose at the
keyboard, I assume?
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:13:21 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> >Surely there must be some Windows software you would like?
>>
>> Agent? :-)
>
>I really do like MacSOUP, but others have problems with it. It doesn't
>support binaries, but I don't read them, and individual doesn't do them
>anyway.

Flight Simulator? F1 simulator? Perhaps not.
--
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Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:08:46 +0100, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> wrote:

> if you buy a book, are you allowed to sell it to
>another - just that copy, of course? I guess so.
>
>Suppose you download software, pay up, acquire a licence key, and use
>it...can you sell it to somebody else and does this other person acquire
>the right to use it?

if you cannot, we have been swindled.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"