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Brownstar May 7th 2009 3:20 am

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I hope UEFA come down hard on them, its an absolute disgrace and the behaviour should not be tolerated...........somehow I doubt UEFA will, Drogba might get a 2 match ban but thats about it, they wouldn't want to piss off Abramovich and co.

Flogger May 7th 2009 3:22 am

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has Gerrard had his day in court (for assault) yet?
and yes most of the Chelsea players could do with a kick up the backside,to sort out their attitudes.

iaink May 7th 2009 3:42 am

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Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 7549796)
has Gerrard had his day in court (for assault) yet?
and yes most of the Chelsea players could do with a kick up the backside,to sort out their attitudes.

Assault charges were dropped, He pled not guily to afray about a month ago, not sure when hes back in court.

Hardly relevent to yesterdays shambolic events though.

clynnog May 7th 2009 5:00 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7549716)
Is there any justification for the way certain chelsea players carried on yesterday? Seriously, I dont care how passionate and fired up you are, the games over, you lost. All they have done is come across like a bunch of millionaire 6 year olds throwing a tantrum when things dont go their way.

Some of them need to tale a long hard look at their own behaviour. If I was a Chelsea supporter I would be mortified by the total lack of dignity shown.

I totally agree with you. Drogba to me is a liability...he, through his own actions, ended up not able to take a PK in last years CL final. His actions in the game were awful...always trying to get a PK, not coming off when he was injured (surprisingly able to leap around after the game). Pique did handle the ball I think but Eto's handball etc was not a handball. Terry and Lampard are sore losers and Lampard will never get a thicker skin (he couldn't take any criticism by Barton post WC).

Those actions by Ballack near the end of the game were awful...when are these millionaires going to learn that the ref will not change his mind after the action...that is what they are paid for...to make a decision right away..this isn't NFL or NHL where they 'take it upstairs' and drag out the game.

That was never a red card for Abidal....Anelka tripped over his own feet but Chelsea players will never admit that.

This evening I'm going to an end of indoor season footie dinner/drink up etc at a Scottish restaurant...should be good, loads of ex-pats some of whom I know are CFC supporters....maybe I should wear my MUFC shirt.

Brownstar May 7th 2009 5:00 am

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This just goes to show what morons some Chelski fans are and how the players behaviour on the pitch can effect the fans :frown:

andrewrb143 May 8th 2009 3:46 am

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All this talk of conspiracies and fixing by UEFA to prevent 2 english sides in the final is farcial. Not fix could allow Iniesta to cream one into the top corner two minutes into injury time. To quote the great Ivorian, "its a ****ing disgrace"

iaink May 8th 2009 3:59 am

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Originally Posted by andrewrb143 (Post 7553275)
All this talk of conspiracies and fixing by UEFA to prevent 2 english sides in the final is farcial. Not fix could allow Iniesta to cream one into the top corner two minutes into injury time. To quote the great Ivorian, "its a ****ing disgrace"

If it was a conspiracy, then sending off a Barca player to throw us off the trail was a stroke of total genius:sneaky:

rae May 8th 2009 6:46 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7553317)
If it was a conspiracy, then sending of a Barca player to throw us off the trail was a stroke of total genius:sneaky:

quite. there is bitter, then there is BITTER. for cryin out loud, they may have been the victim of some dodgy reffing over penalty decisions, but show me a match when this does not take place, week in week out.

good grief, platini ordering a win, security fears over rome, do some chelsea fans actually believe this rubbish. another 10 sec and chelsea would have WON, cutting it a bit close weren't 'THEY'

PeterF May 8th 2009 7:21 am

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I'm still thinking that penalty Cardiff had against Swansea was a fix :thumbdown::thumbdown:

BristolUK May 8th 2009 7:44 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7553317)
If it was a conspiracy, then sending of a Barca player to throw us off the trail was a stroke of total genius:sneaky:

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. Just supposing it had been decided to 'fix' things. You'd need the co-operation of Chelsea or some of their players. For a match like this you're not going to get it. A bribe won't work.

You can't involve lots of people, that would be too risky. But it's quite well known that the "popular choice" for the final would be Barcelona. It's also well known that Blatter and Platini have been all but running a campaign against EPL clubs. Is it beyond the realms of possibility that a referee might think he could advance his career by helping to bring about what Platini wants? The best refs will still get the big matches so maybe they won't play ball.

But there are other refs on the fringes of the major tournaments. What about a ref who was at a tournament before but wasn't quite up to scratch? He could see this as a way back; please messrs Platini and Blatter and he could be back in contention for World Cups and European Championships. ;)

Hmmm...who might such a ref be? Step forward Mr Tom Henning Ovrebo. After officiating in his first tournament (Euro 2008) he was considered to have done so badly that he was withdrawn. He's on the provisional list for the next world cup.

Perfect. He'll do. But how can he influence the game? He can't simply give an undeserved penalty; that would be too obvious. And the player might shoot wide.

What he can do, though is to create some circumstances that give the favoured team the best opportunity. Like denying several penalty opportunities...but not just refusing them point blank, that might look dodgy. So for a foul clearly inside the box, award a free kick instead, for some mild contact outside the box. It doesn't matter that, later, contact far more of a foul than that is made on Drogba; no one likes the diver anyway. The fact that he crumples after being pulled back is evidence of that. :lol: And when a defender sticks an arm out to reduce the chance of the ball getting past, it's easy to claim accidental contact.

But to make your refereeing look even handed you need to be seen to do something major against the other team. Hmmmm...what can that be? Can't deny them a penalty (if they were actually capable of getting that close to goal with the ball;)) as that would be risky.

Got it :lightbulb: They've hugely dominated possession in both games. What if you could dismiss a defender? One who doesn't offer much in attack like Alves. That would seem really dramatic, reducing them to ten men while it would hardly impact negatively on them at all. Oh look...that guy just gave the perfect opportunity. And the icing on the cake is that it looks really unjust because it might have been an accident or maybe there wasn't even a touch. It couldn't be better. :D

Now you've denied Chelsea the chance of at least two goals on top of the lead they already had while looking equally cruel but not damaging Barcelona's chances. Now it's up to Barca to play their part. Which they eventually do.

That's it. I don't believe it for a second of course. But if it was going to be done, this is the way it could happen.:rofl:

One reason for not believing it is that Abidal has been reported as admitting he did deliberately foul Anelka, knowing he'd get a red card and saying it was worth it for the team.

Novocastrian May 8th 2009 8:06 am

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^^ You are Declan Hill and I claim my $5.

<you can put it on Barca in the final for me (wink,wink)>

BristolUK May 8th 2009 8:23 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7554301)
^^ You are Declan Hill and I claim my $5.

:rofl:
To my shame I had never heard of this bloke. Is the book any good?

DaveLovesDee May 8th 2009 8:35 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 7554401)
:rofl:
To my shame I had never heard of this bloke. Is the book any good?

Hilarious, if you like that sort of thing! :thumbsup:

Novocastrian May 8th 2009 9:08 am

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Originally Posted by CaptainHook (Post 7554472)
Hilarious, if you like that sort of thing! :thumbsup:

Well put. He and Dan Brown should get married.

Flogger May 8th 2009 2:45 pm

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 7553846)
quite. there is bitter, then there is BITTER. for cryin out loud, they may have been the victim of some dodgy reffing over penalty decisions, but show me a match when this does not take place, week in week out.

good grief, platini ordering a win, security fears over rome, do some chelsea fans actually believe this rubbish. another 10 sec and chelsea would have WON, cutting it a bit close weren't 'THEY'

Not this one but it gives us something to moan about(makes the day go quicker)

PeterF May 9th 2009 4:19 am

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Fixtures remaining:

Newcastle v Middlesbrough

Bolton v Hull
Middlesbrough v Aston Villa
Newcastle v Fulham

West Brom v Liverpool

Portsmouth v Sunderland

Aston Villa v Newcastle
Blackburn v West Brom
Hull v Man Utd
Sunderland v Chelsea
west Ham v Middlesbrough

Current standings:

Sunderland..Pl 36..Pts..36.............GD -17
Hull............Pl 36..Pts..34.............GD -24
------------------------------------------
Newcastle...Pl 35..Pts..31.............GD -19
Middlesbro...Pl 35..Pts..31.............GD -26
West Brom...Pl 36..Pts..31.............GD -29



Nail biting, Monday is very important :eek:

Novocastrian May 9th 2009 4:34 am

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Originally Posted by PeterF (Post 7556751)

Nail biting, Monday is very important :eek:

No pressure, eh?

Ewood May 9th 2009 4:41 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7556794)
No pressure, eh?

What's your forecast for the bottom 3 positions Novo?

Novocastrian May 9th 2009 4:53 am

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Originally Posted by Ewood (Post 7556811)
What's your forecast for the bottom 3 positions Novo?

Pessimistic, in a word.

Ewood May 9th 2009 4:55 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7556833)
Pessimistic, in a word.

I'd be the same, especially with WBA making a late bid.

rae May 9th 2009 7:32 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7556833)
Pessimistic, in a word.

i'm not just saying this, i think you have a chance, mainly due to the resurgence today at west brom v wigan, hull being in freefall and sunderlands run in. predictions as below

final day.
sunderland relegated on 36 points.
hull relegated on 36 points.
middlesborough relegated on 36 points.

newcastle survive on 39 points, west brom on 40. this hinges on west brom doing liverpool next week 2-1.

Greenhill May 9th 2009 8:13 am

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FWIW this is what I'm thinking..


Originally Posted by rae (Post 7557092)

final day.
sunderland relegated on 36 points.
hull relegated on 36 points.
middlesborough relegated on 36 points.

newcastle survive on 39 points, west brom on 40. this hinges on west brom doing liverpool next week 2-1.


Ewood May 9th 2009 8:18 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 7557092)
i'm not just saying this, i think you have a chance, mainly due to the resurgence today at west brom v wigan, hull being in freefall and sunderlands run in. predictions as below

final day.
sunderland relegated on 36 points.
hull relegated on 36 points.
middlesborough relegated on 36 points.

newcastle survive on 39 points, west brom on 40. this hinges on west brom doing liverpool next week 2-1.

Newcastle can't get exactly 39 points. Got 31 at the mo' but only three games left. Could get 38 or 40 though.

rae May 9th 2009 8:38 am

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Originally Posted by Ewood (Post 7557144)
Newcastle can't get exactly 39 points. Got 31 at the mo' but only three games left. Could get 38 or 40 though.

sorry, what a donkey, showed my arse there didn't i. looked at the bloody games instead of the points, thought as i was doing it west brom did not have that much. anyway, ups and downs stands, with the proper points though as:-

sunderland 36.
hull. 34
midd 36

west b 37.
newcastle 38.

Ewood May 9th 2009 8:41 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 7557169)
sorry, what a donkey, showed my arse there didn't i. looked at the bloody games instead of the points, thought as i was doing it west brom did not have that much. anyway, ups and downs stands, with the proper points though as:-

sunderland 36.
hull. 34
midd 36

west b 37.
newcastle 38.

4 points covering 5 clubs. Talk about a tight finish!

Novocastrian May 9th 2009 8:45 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 7557169)
sorry, what a donkey, showed my arse there didn't i. looked at the bloody games instead of the points, thought as i was doing it west brom did not have that much. anyway, ups and downs stands, with the proper points though as:-

sunderland 36.
hull. 34
midd 36

west b 37.
newcastle 38.

From your post to god's ear, rae. I'm not at all so optimistic though.

It's all hanging on Monday's result. IMO if there's a winner whoever it is will likely stay up. If it's a draw both teams likely go down.

As I said. Pessimism.

rae May 10th 2009 8:53 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7557176)
From your post to god's ear, rae. I'm not at all so optimistic though.

It's all hanging on Monday's result. IMO if there's a winner whoever it is will likely stay up. If it's a draw both teams likely go down.

As I said. Pessimism.

well i agree on a draw, still think you will be ok though. appears today shearer will accept 4m contract next year come what may. thats what the club needs, some stability. i'm impressed with shearer cracking down on barton, if he can get control quickly, thats the key.

2-0 utd. 4 points from 3 games and its ours. have to say hull and wigan must be 6. come on utd.

Novocastrian May 10th 2009 11:28 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 7559319)
well i agree on a draw, still think you will be ok though. appears today shearer will accept 4m contract next year come what may. thats what the club needs, some stability. i'm impressed with shearer cracking down on barton, if he can get control quickly, thats the key.

2-0 utd. 4 points from 3 games and its ours. have to say hull and wigan must be 6. come on utd.


Nothing on nufc.com about a new Shearer contract, we'll see.

Paddypower share my pessimism... http://www.paddypower.com/football?a...3&AFF_ID=92733

Less than 24 hours to go....


Edit: on re-reading that link, they actually tend to agree with you.

Doomed!!!!!

clynnog May 11th 2009 7:12 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7557176)
It's all hanging on Monday's result. IMO if there's a winner whoever it is will likely stay up. If it's a draw both teams likely go down.

As I said. Pessimism.

Have you checked the score..doesn't look good for the team managed by Mr. Interesting.

clynnog May 11th 2009 7:15 am

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Originally Posted by clynnog (Post 7562267)
Have you checked the score..doesn't look good for the team managed by Mr. Interesting.

I stand corrected...they are back all square....this website gives an interesting minute by minute look at the table.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football...emiership.html

DaveLovesDee May 11th 2009 7:16 am

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Originally Posted by clynnog (Post 7562267)
Have you checked the score..doesn't look good for the team managed by Mr. Interesting.

At least a Newcastle player scored at last!!

Edit: Twice.

rae May 11th 2009 8:39 am

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ohh 1-1 as predicted then with 12 mins to go, goal. i think i will add 1 on to all i think, to be scored at the death.

Steve_P May 11th 2009 8:42 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 7562463)
ohh 1-1 as predicted then with 12 mins to go, goal. i think i will add 1 on to all i think, to be scored at the death.

2 - 1 Newcastle, Oberfemi Martins at the 71 minute mark.

iaink May 11th 2009 8:43 am

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Its "squeeky bum time" on Tyneside:scaredhair:

Are the magpies going to hold on and escape...or can Hull pull something out of the fire against Man U or (more likely) Bolton?

Steve_P May 11th 2009 8:51 am

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3 - 1 Newcastle

Final.

livermanl May 11th 2009 9:01 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 7562483)
3 - 1 Newcastle

Final.

Good, good.

rae May 11th 2009 9:04 am

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Originally Posted by livermanl (Post 7562499)
Good, good.

well done. thats the 3 you need. should be ok now.

rae May 11th 2009 9:05 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7562473)
Its "squeeky bum time" on Tyneside:scaredhair:

Are the magpies going to hold on and escape...or can Hull pull something out of the fire against Man U or (more likely) Bolton?

i think hull are in free fall, don't see them getting another point at all, finish at the bottom.

livermanl May 11th 2009 9:06 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 7562507)
well done. thats the 3 you need. should be ok now.

Not a toon fan :p

Just the choice of Hull, Middlesborough or Newcastle?

Steve_P May 11th 2009 9:12 am

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Originally Posted by livermanl (Post 7562514)
Not a toon fan :p

Just the choice of Hull, Middlesborough or Newcastle?

I'm not even a football fan any more but Novo has got me hooked on Newcastle's trials and tribulations.:ohmy:


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