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ok lets take a less dispassionate look at this.

fa cup, 9 seasons without a win, then another 5, then 3 more, hardly consistent. luck of the cup?

19yrs no league.

are we really counting charity shield and coca cola/league cup? i thought these were generally acknowledged as show piece/2nd string team affairs.

which leaves us with basically a fantastic european year, 8yrs ago, and a lucky win 4yrs ago. well done.

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We didn't win because there was no money for Evans, had he been given a good transfer kitty we would have won something.

The fact is we hired Houllier who decided that no player he inherited was good enough (the likes of Fowler & Mcmanaman). So he went out and purchased an entire new team, with which he bought some real talent like big Sami.

But if they had just given Evans the money then we were already in good shape back then we just needed another one or two players and we could have threatened a lot more.

The 90's for Liverpool was not the best time but lets face it there has not been any point where Liverpool were seen as an average team the lowest we finished was 5th under Benitez and Houllier I believe.

The rest of the time we were in the top four.

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thats out of order, who is to say these posts were not in good humour and a very mild prod, certainly nothing direct as 'mancs full of themselves' and there is certainly no slagging off, factual references only made, and given how this thread has ticked over, i would have thought it obvious that its all in good part.

i think the real issue is and always will be liverpool and man u are intense rivals, some can rib others about it, take it and give it back. others can't.

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Sometimes you know it's very hard to tell.

And I don't know why certain abrasive mancs are picking on Pool. It's the Gooners they are playing today.

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Don't why you lot are sniping with eachother, think of poor Novo, he may never see his side win anything in his lifetime. :)

<coughs>
Being a Spurs fan that may also apply to me. :frown:

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I dont think squad for squad Liverpool can match Man U. Man Us economic might and SAFs force of personality has allowed them to assemble a fantastically tallented and deep squad with cover across the board and strenth to compete on all fronts. 1st XI vs 1st XI they are very close now, but over a season that depth will tell.

But, I cant see too much room for improvement at old trafford, and SAF will be retiring soon which will no doubt make a difference. Liverpool are good and getting better, have a youngish manager with a job to finish and the control now to do as he wants. The next few years are going to make interesting watching as long as the edifice of debt that both clubs are constructed on doesnt come crashing down, and that could be a real possibility. Man U need to find £400M in interest and finance payments in the next few years, Liverpool not as much, but still significant amounts. Something will have to give. TBH the job of taking over from Fergusson when he goes could be just as much a poisoned challace as the England job. Wonder what the odds on a return from steve maclaren are:)

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But you two have no expectation of winning anything surely? Thats the difference....next year will be "The Year" and all that.

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Someone mentioned Liverpool not winning the league again.

I think Novo would prefer Newcastle staying up to sympathy.

I think Spurs will win the league someday, the Championship league that is.... :p:p

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Need I explain the relevence?

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I object to being called a Manc, I am no such thing!

Typical put upon Scouser, can't take light hearted banter

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I already did. Admittedly I was much younger then.

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Obviously I'd prefer for Toon to stay up. But if it doesn't happen I won't be looking for sympathy. Once a Geordie, always a Geordie. Black & white to the bone.

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I'd rather Newcastle stay up than Hull

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I'm not a scouser (other than as an honourary liverpool fan), although I was raised on merseyside;)

By "manc" I was refering to a supporter of Manchester United. Of course you are not from manchester. Are you from the south coast / east anglia by any chance:sneaky:? sorry...illegal fan profiling there:D

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Never mind, Brownstar. Only two and a half hours until the game starts. :thumbsup:

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I am :rofl:

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its the earlier reference to having plenty of cups, assuming you were refering to the 70's-80's when you did have plenty of them.

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Neither am I from Manchester nor am I a ManUSA fan :p

I'm a Gooner of 30 yrs and although not born within the borough of Islington I did live in North London for 20 yrs of my life

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is that ticking over in good humour, or a liverpool fan full of himself.

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granted and accepted.

man u vs liverpool, its just like borough, sunderland vs newcastle, or the mackem scum as i think certain 'abrasive' newcastle fans have referred to them before!

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It was a reference to the Anfiled trophy room in general.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/38/76...0a0aa7804e.jpg

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This is why we need to move...Trophy room not big enough!!!

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Seems a reasonable question? I support Liverpool because thats where I lived at the time I first got interested in footy, although it could have been Tranmere I suppose.

I find it intriguing how many people seem to have to travel further for a man U home game than an away one, although I don't pretend to understand the significance.

My suspicion is that like Newcastle, Liverpool would still get 30, 40k plus to watch them play if they went down, but that Man U might not have quite the same level of red to the bone support? Could be wrong though.

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I'm filling up here, urge to sing uncontrollable ..... " When you walk......".

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You think thats why they havent won anything since 2006...its a choice...waiting for the new stadium so we have room?

I hope not, otherwise the next few seasons look bleak eh!

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Any more trophies we win will have to be used as corner flags :p

awaiting approval from the FA

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Jeepers, its so funny when a real football fan of a real football team reads so much trash by plastic fans.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

My dad's bigger than yours.. :rofl::rofl::rofl:


Personally I would love to wind back time to 20 years ago, when there was competition, instead of the Sky 'moneycow' inspired trash we see nowadays.

I remember ManUre in Division 2!! as were Newcastle and Chelski, Man City in Division 3, Wolves in Division 4!!



I see they are playing their 'money grabbing protectionism' games again now too!! Seeing Leeds 2007 drop to the 3rd Division, weighted down with debts from the failure of getting the TV money they gambled everything on.

With City gaining an endless pocket like Chelski one of the 'big' 4 will lose out and that will mean a long sharp fall, so the creation of an 'invitation only' Premier 2 will effectively close that trap door.

As if we cannot see what they are doing!!!



ManUre was the driving force for the Premiership, for that I will hate them with fury til the end of time, even when they have gone bust.

Even before they stole all the money they always an advantage over the smaller clubs, but they just couldn't stand the likes of Ipswich etc occasionally winning and taking some cash from them.

The Premiership and the Champions League effectively ended the dreams of thousands and thousands of real supporters, dreams of minor success, to get that management team that would give us some success before being courted by a bigger team.


And now all you plastic fans argue about who stole the most from the rest of us!!!

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Plastic fans............not seen any on here, do you subscribe to the you can only support your home town club mentality?

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Explain, why you are any more of a real fan than the other posters.

Also with some of your bitterness and talk of "Hate them always"
you may need to get out more:thumbup:hope this helps.

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I bet us unreal fans pay waaaaay more to follow our plastic teams in the flesh.

He makes a valid point about the way TV money has altered the landscape, but sadly its lost in the vitreol.

However, to argue the standard of the game was better 20 years ago is lunacy. The game now is so much faster and generally skills are on a different plane. Much as I enjoy watching Hanson Dalgleish Barnes and Beardsley stroking the ball around into the net while Souness and Case stamp on anyone that has the temerity to take the ball for the opposition, they would be blown off the park by the pace and general skill on display now...not that they would not have adapted and excelled, but its a different style from a bygone age

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TV money has changed the landscape but in terms of teams going bust it hasn't. THe teams in the lower leagues have been struggling for decades in terms of balancing the books. When the lower leagues were reorganised a few years ago into the Championship, etc the Football League bottled it as they should have regionalised Div 2 and merged the regionalised leagues with the Blue Square Prem.

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Who else would you support?


At least the PL isn't as bad as north american sports teams who build up loyal support and then move cities. :rofl:

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For me it was the team closest to were I was living at an impressionable age (7 yrs old). Gone are the days when people are born, live and die in one town we have a much more mobile population.

To me though, once you choose your team you cannot change............now that is a plastic fan!

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BTW Pete mate.Do you support Toronto FC? not sure Waterloo have a team.Do they?


Please don't tell us you are a plastic fan of a team thousands of miles away.

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if ever there was a case for valium this is it.

from the plastic fan apparently?! who he knows so well. thanks for your input.

i'm frantically trying to dig out my first ticket stub against ipswich in 1977 to scan in, if thats not been packed in the move i may cry. plastic tears of course.

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there you go see, look at the huge round collars on them 70's trophies.

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:rofl: sic 'im rae. :thumbsup:

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OK, that got a grudging chuckle out of me even if I cant quite bring myself to send karma for it...:o

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nice one there you go you see, sense of humour returning.

i almost thought i was back at court for a moment, there were so many angry scousers on here.

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right, i'm off to watch the mighty reds trounce ARSEnal. if we fail i'm sure i will suffer ritual humiliation and abuse from all the 'real' fans out there.

obviously needs one of my predictions.

we will start strong, but so will they, early goals from each side, probably ARSEnal first. 1-1 half time. start of 2nd half same as first, more goals, now it gets difficult to predict. 2-2 full time, utd win on agg.