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Novocastrian Mar 21st 2012 2:01 pm

Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Tough luck for Liverpool today. :rofl::rofl:

Toon still 5 points clear in the last Euro spot with 9 to play each. :fingerscrossed:

The match at SJP against Pool on April Fool's Day is gong to be the decider.

I just wish I could be there.

Tangram Mar 22nd 2012 12:30 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9966174)
Tough luck for Liverpool today. :rofl::rofl:

Toon still 5 points clear in the last Euro spot with 9 to play each. :fingerscrossed:

The match at SJP against Pool on April Fool's Day is gong to be the decider.

I just wish I could be there.

I stopped watching at 2-0, thought job done. Apparently everyone else did as well. I don't think that will be a decider, I think we will have trailed off by then.

Novocastrian Mar 22nd 2012 12:40 am

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9966723)
I stopped watching at 2-0, thought job done. Apparently everyone else did as well. I don't think that will be a decider, I think we will have trailed off by then.

.... whereas, of course, I think that it'll be Toon who crumbles under pressure.

I'm too lazy to look up Liverpool's remaining schedule but Toon has several nasty ones to go. Aside from the April 1st clash, we've got Man C at home and Chelsea away plus a tricky one in Swansea.

iaink Mar 22nd 2012 12:52 am

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FFS, when I left work last night they were 2-1 up with 2 minutes to play.:ohmy::thumbdown:

You lot better be good, in not in the best mood right now:lol:

iaink Mar 22nd 2012 2:09 am

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Well, this cheered me up a little... Englands "All time Top flight league table"

http://thirdkit.com/wp-content/uploa...ague-Table.gif

http://thirdkit.com/2012/03/21/engla...igh-table-epl/

Yes, I'm aware I'm clutching at straws....

Tangram Mar 22nd 2012 2:11 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9966854)
Well, this cheered me up a little... Englands "All time Top flight league table"

http://thirdkit.com/wp-content/uploa...ague-Table.gif

http://thirdkit.com/2012/03/21/engla...igh-table-epl/

Yes, I'm aware I'm clutching at straws....

Clutch away. Straws are all we have this year .....again ( apart from the Carling ).

iaink Mar 22nd 2012 2:17 am

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9966855)
Clutch away. Straws are all we have this year .....again ( apart from the Carling ).

And the FA cup....

To burst my own bubble, if you figure out points per game, that other team along the M62 is just ahead:o

What can I say... its a slow day today, and no, I didnt work it out for all the teams on the table

Tangram Mar 22nd 2012 2:21 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9966866)
And the FA cup....

To burst my own bubble, if you figure out points per game, that other team along the M62 is just ahead:o

What can I say... its a slow day today, and no, I didnt work it out for all the teams on the table

You mean across Stanley Park ?

iaink Mar 22nd 2012 2:23 am

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9966871)
You mean across Stanley Park ?

No, not the "third best team in Liverpool", the other other team;)

iaink Mar 22nd 2012 3:27 am

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Seeing as I just double checked:rolleyes:, here's the top ten rearranged for points per game (perhaps there is a reason academics have post grad students to do things for them:))

Novocastrian Mar 22nd 2012 4:26 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9966989)
Seeing as I just double checked:rolleyes:, here's the top ten rearranged for points per game (perhaps there is a reason academics have post grad students to do things for them:))

Ah that make more sense. I'd made the school boy error of calculating the reciprocals so I deleted and sent myself to see the Dean. :)

Novocastrian Mar 24th 2012 11:24 am

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I'm glad Iain isn't online much at the weekend.

I think otherwise that when I mention that Liverpool had another disappointing result today, my status would be in jeopardy.

Hopefully he'll have calmed down by Monday, and hopefully Toon will have increased the gap by then too. ;)

Oink Mar 25th 2012 4:56 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9970709)
I'm glad Iain isn't online much at the weekend.

I think otherwise that when I mention that Liverpool had another disappointing result today, my status would be in jeopardy.

Hopefully he'll have calmed down by Monday, and hopefully Toon will have increased the gap by then too. ;)

King Kenny is doing wonders with that 100 million plus transfer he's spent. Has turned the team right around.

jimf Mar 25th 2012 5:47 am

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Could this be Mancini's "You know what I'd love it" moment...........

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...oke-tony-pulis

Novocastrian Mar 25th 2012 7:30 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9971664)
King Kenny is doing wonders with that 100 million plus transfer he's spent. Has turned the team right around.

Tee-hee. Nice one today though. With an 8 point cushion we can weather the 0-6 thrashing Liverpool will lay on us next weekend and still be 5 points clear with 7 games left.

Tangram Mar 25th 2012 10:12 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9971664)
King Kenny is doing wonders with that 100 million plus transfer he's spent. Has turned the team right around.

I agree it isn't going swimmingly right now. Perhaps we should compare trophies at the end of the season though.

Oink Mar 25th 2012 10:21 am

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9972050)
I agree it isn't going swimmingly right now. Perhaps we should compare trophies at the end of the season though.

That was KK's excuse. They're doing so well is why they're not doing very well. :rofl:

Flogger Mar 25th 2012 10:37 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9972060)
That was KK's excuse. They're doing so well is why they're not doing very well. :rofl:

Time for Souness

Novocastrian Mar 25th 2012 10:49 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9972060)
That was KK's excuse. They're doing so well is why they're not doing very well. :rofl:

Have you got your K's in a twist? Not KK, KD (Lang remembered and soon to be Lang forgotten).

Tangram Mar 25th 2012 1:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9972095)
Have you got your K's in a twist? Not KK, KD (Lang remembered and soon to be Lang forgotten).

Personally I think they should dig Paisley up.

Novocastrian Mar 25th 2012 1:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9972255)
Personally I think they should dig Paisley up.

I thought he'd been cremated and his ashes interred on the centre spot.

If this obvious precaution wasn't taken, then all else follows.

Mr Weeze Mar 25th 2012 1:31 pm

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9966989)
Seeing as I just double checked:rolleyes:, here's the top ten rearranged for points per game (perhaps there is a reason academics have post grad students to do things for them:))

Still ahead of s*nderland. Still happy.

Novocastrian Mar 25th 2012 1:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Mr Weeze (Post 9972268)
Still ahead of s*nderland. Still happy.

How enigmatic. Almost everybody is ahead of S*******d.

Do I detect a new Geordie? If so, welcome.

Mr Weeze Mar 26th 2012 12:26 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9972284)
How enigmatic. Almost everybody is ahead of S*******d.

Do I detect a new Geordie? If so, welcome.

What gave it away :thumbsup:

iaink Mar 26th 2012 12:58 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9970709)
I'm glad Iain isn't online much at the weekend.

I think otherwise that when I mention that Liverpool had another disappointing result today, my status would be in jeopardy.

Hopefully he'll have calmed down by Monday, and hopefully Toon will have increased the gap by then too. ;)

This piece in the Telegraph pretty much sums up the situation; Damning, harsh, and unfortunately, dangerously close to the truth.

Tangram Mar 26th 2012 1:05 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9972980)
This piece in the Telegraph pretty much sums up the situation; Damning, harsh, and unfortunately, dangerously close to the truth.

Good article.

Novocastrian Mar 26th 2012 1:58 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9972980)
This piece in the Telegraph pretty much sums up the situation; Damning, harsh, and unfortunately, dangerously close to the truth.

Ouch.

Mr Weeze Mar 26th 2012 1:59 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9973081)
Ouch.

But the comments make such amusing reading.

Novocastrian Mar 26th 2012 2:06 am

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Originally Posted by Mr Weeze (Post 9973085)
But the comments make such amusing reading.

I didn't get that far. I'll look later.

iaink Mar 26th 2012 2:16 am

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Liverpool need to figure our what they are doing with the stadium and get that project going if they hope to return to the top. Right now, despite improbably large sponsorship deals (given the current level of success), they are buying players without a track record of success because that's what they can afford without champions league income. If you were grading them for performance in the transfer market they would get a big fat F. When Craig Bellamy on a free is the standout signing, something has gone wrong. Liverpool need to get the stadium issue sorted in order to get the match day income up to the point that they can play at the top of the spending league. However the "moneyball" background of the owners makes that probably an unrealistic hope. Some of the current crop will hopefully grow into their roles and wont appear to be such a waste of money in a few years, but how long is it reasonable to wait?

There was a piece in the Guardian that pointed out that "If Liverpool finish sixth, it will equal or better the best ever Premier League finishing position for Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam, José Enrique, Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson – a sizeable chunk of the Liverpool squad. While this does not necessarily prove anything, it does temper somewhat the notion that Liverpool are under-performing."

For Dalglish to use tiredness as an excuse with £50M of "talent" he signed on the bench is pushing his luck. Liverpools "bad luck" seems to have become a habit this season too, but while not wishing to totally absolve Dalglish, its worth remembering that Damien Comolli is the guy at Anfield responsible for identifying and signing the talent, and his record at Spurs at best could be described as a mixed bag. I was sceptical when LFC hired him, and I still wait to proven wrong. The problem in part is that footy is not like major league sports, the best upandcoming players generally only wish to play for successful teams, or teams on the cusp of success that are likely to deliver silverware. Without a "draft" system to try and balance out the talent pool, in footy money is key, and success begets success.

Oink Mar 26th 2012 2:33 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9973109)
Liverpool need to figure our what they are doing with the stadium and get that project going if they hope to return to the top. Right now, despite improbably large sponsorship deals (given the current level of success), they are buying players without a track record of success because that's what they can afford without champions league income. If you were grading them for performance in the transfer market they would get a big fat F. When Craig Bellamy on a free is the standout signing, something has gone wrong. Liverpool need to get the stadium issue sorted in order to get the match day income up to the point that they can play at the top of the spending league. However the "moneyball" background of the owners makes that probably an unrealistic hope. Some of the current crop will hopefully grow into their roles and wont appear to be such a waste of money in a few years, but how long is it reasonable to wait?

There was a piece in the Guardian that pointed out that "If Liverpool finish sixth, it will equal or better the best ever Premier League finishing position for Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam, José Enrique, Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson – a sizeable chunk of the Liverpool squad. While this does not necessarily prove anything, it does temper somewhat the notion that Liverpool are under-performing."

For Dalglish to use tiredness as an excuse with £50M of "talent" he signed on the bench is pushing his luck. Liverpools "bad luck" seems to have become a habit this season too, but while not wishing to totally absolve Dalglish, its worth remembering that Damien Comolli is the guy at Anfield responsible for identifying and signing the talent, and his record at Spurs at best could be described as a mixed bag. I was sceptical when LFC hired him, and I still wait to proven wrong. The problem in part is that footy is not like major league sports, the best upandcoming players generally only wish to play for successful teams, or teams on the cusp of success that are likely to deliver silverware. Without a "draft" system to try and balance out the talent pool, in footy money is key, and success begets success.

I'm very glad he works with you lot now. :thumbup:

JamesM Mar 26th 2012 6:05 am

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The problem Spurs had when Comolli was there was that the Manager had no input in the players signed. They were trying to implement some continental system that meant that they could change manager with out having to change players. It ended in tears.

Jol was just handed players and told to mesh them togethar. If he felt he needed a left back Comolli would go out and sign a striker. If Comolli did full the position it would be a left back of his chosing so Jol had no input into what style of left back and so on.......

If Dalglish is not responsible for signing his own players then really the crises has nothing to do with him.

I don't follow Liverpool enough to know the politics but I knew at the beginning of this season they would struggle and had over paid for players. You just looked at their first choice midfield and compared to the teams above them it did not look frightening at all.

They have the League Cup so that should buy Dalglish a little more time. Who knows Mourinho for Liverpool?

Novocastrian Mar 26th 2012 10:06 am

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9973455)
The problem Spurs had when Comolli was there was that the Manager had no input in the players signed. They were trying to implement some continental system that meant that they could change manager with out having to change players. It ended in tears.

This was exactly what happened in Newcastle just three years ago. That nasty dwarf twat Dennis Wise was making the transfer decisions without nput or control from Kevin Keagan. (I'll pause to give kudos to iaink who predicted on day one that this would end in tears).

Now the person most responsible for our renaissance is Graham Carr, chief scout, who reccommended Tiote, Cabaye, Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa (who might turn out to be the new Messi) to his managers, who took responsibility to pry the FCB's fists off his wallet.

Mr Weeze Mar 27th 2012 1:41 pm

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Can we talk about the excellent result in the FA cup this evening or are we EPL only?

sw6blue Mar 27th 2012 1:59 pm

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good result for chelsea, played much better, away goal a bonus.
torres has started to play a lot better lately and deserves to start ahead of drogba at the moment, there l have eaten my words.
chelsea vs spurs semi interesting,
dennis not one of your favourites novo.
keep the blue flag flying.

Novocastrian Mar 28th 2012 1:08 am

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Originally Posted by Mr Weeze (Post 9976074)
Can we talk about the excellent result in the FA cup this evening or are we EPL only?

Well, under the circumstances.... :rofl:

iaink Mar 30th 2012 2:18 am

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Carroll to start against Newcastle...:D

Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish said*: “we’re hoping that in 90 minutes he can re­grasp the rudiments of a sport he’s been playing since he was a foal and reduce my looking the twat by enough of a margin to explain the whole Jordan Henderson confusion.”


*that may not be 100% true

Mr Weeze Mar 30th 2012 3:01 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9980250)
*that may not be 100% true

Well it's football, so it has to be at least 110% not true, surely?

iaink Mar 30th 2012 3:15 am

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Good point, Sick as a parrot to have missed that Brian.

DaveLovesDee Mar 30th 2012 5:21 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9973109)
The problem in part is that footy is not like major league sports, the best upandcoming players generally only wish to play for successful teams, or teams on the cusp of success that are likely to deliver silverware. Without a "draft" system to try and balance out the talent pool, in footy money is key, and success begets success.

The Draft system will never come to European football as I feel it's seen as 'American', and there's too much money at stake for agents for anything to change.


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