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iaink Apr 12th 2012 2:08 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 10002056)
According to the Gruniad, his depatrture was closely linked to the failed transfers:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...damien-comolli

I still think Kenny will get more time. Winning the League Cup means they have Uefa Cup qualification so it doesn't matter if they finish 5th or 15th.

If they go on and win the FA Cup how can they get rid of Dalglish with a cup double?

I think they'll give Dalglish another 10 League games next season and see where they are.
If you recall, the target was not UEFA Cup qualification, it was Champions league, and that looks as far off as ever to be honest.

Maybe having given it a go, KD would rather like to depart on a winning point and keep some of his lustre... If things dont go much better than expected next season and they end up firing him mid season his legacy is tarnished and its hard to push him upstairs, he would have to leave under a cloud of disappointment, and I dont think anyone wants that.

FSGs stated preference way back when was for a young manager, a future star... Rafa would love the job, its like he's holding out for it and has unfinished business, but I dont think its going to happen, he had his shot.

on the other hand FSG may well want to hire a safe pair of hands with a proven record after this years league disappointment, time will tell.

Oink Apr 12th 2012 4:24 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 10002056)
I think they'll give Dalglish another 10 League games next season and see where they are.
They should give him at least another ten years.

iaink Apr 12th 2012 4:47 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10002359)
They should give him at least another ten years.
"We've got great confidence in Kenny. We feel the team is going to make strides in the future and he enjoys our full support."

So, out by July then?


Maybe the irony of statements of support by football club boards is lost on the American owners...

Oink Apr 12th 2012 4:51 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10002422)
"We've got great confidence in Kenny. We feel the team is going to make strides in the future and he enjoys our full support."

So, out by July then?


Maybe the irony of statements of support by football club boards is lost on the American owners...
How about Moyes or that little gnomey fellow Gary Megson? He looks like the perfect fit for Liverpool these days.

iaink Apr 12th 2012 5:02 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10002431)
How about Moyes or that little gnomey fellow Gary Megson? He looks like the perfect fit for Liverpool these days.
Just bring in Neil Warnock already.... Championship specialist?

DaveLovesDee Apr 12th 2012 6:04 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9998959)
As you alluded to most of the people who claim to be fans live in places like BC and Surrey. The reason as we all know is because Manchester United is a brand that people whoo know little about football associate with so they can try and fit in with the world around them.
Which fan is more passionate?

The season ticket holder who lives walking distance from the ground, or the season ticket holder who travels 150-200 miles to home games?

Both are valued supporters.

iaink Apr 12th 2012 6:24 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 10002566)
Which fan is more passionate?

The season ticket holder who lives walking distance from the ground, or the season ticket holder who travels 150-200 miles to home games?

Both are valued supporters.
I can see that someone traveling 200 miles to support the team from the town they were born or raised in is passionate.

Someone travelling 200 miles to support a team they have no connection with other than the fact that they want to support a team of winners is just an idiot wagon jumper if you ask me...

People should have some connection to "their" team other then "I saw them on the telly and they won lots" IMO. Commecial Directors selling shirts in the far east by the container load would no doubt beg to differ.

JamesM Apr 12th 2012 6:25 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10002431)
How about Moyes or that little gnomey fellow Gary Megson? He looks like the perfect fit for Liverpool these days.
Moyes already manages Liverpool's biggest club.

They need to go go high profile for a Hiddink or some one of that ilk.

Be nice to see Liverpool entertain again. Very defensive minded under Houllier and Benitez.

JamesM Apr 12th 2012 6:27 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10002590)
I can see that someone traveling 200 miles to support the team from the town they were born or raised in is passionate.

Someone travelling 200 miles to support a team they have no connection with other than the fact that the want to support a team of winners is just an idiot wagon jumper if you ask me...

People should have some connection to "their" team other then "I saw them on the telly and they won lots" IMO. Commecial Directors selling shirts in the far east by the container load would no doubt beg to differ.
I'm in firm agreement with this one.

Actually the fans I most admire are the season ticket holders who then drive all over the country to watch their team play away games aswell. I also kind of feel a sense of pity as they must blow most of their cash on it.

Former Lancastrian Apr 14th 2012 4:59 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Although not EPL congratulations to Liverpool for reaching the final of the FA Cup.
Perhaps from a distance Andy Carroll did look like a donkey but he has scored 2 x important goals in the last 2 x matches and might actually resemble a work horse. Attention has now swung away from him for the time being.

Novocastrian Apr 14th 2012 12:55 pm
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10005585)
Although not EPL congratulations to Liverpool for reaching the final of the FA Cup.
Perhaps from a distance Andy Carroll did look like a donkey but he has scored 2 x important goals in the last 2 x matches and might actually resemble a work horse. Attention has now swung away from him for the time being.
I mentioned earlier the brainwashing job Toon did on Carroll before he left. Part of the conditioning was that he was allowed to score the goal that virtually guarantees Newcastle will be in Europe next season. 12 points up on Everton in 7th with 15 points left to play for is rather promising, I'd say.

But the Toon aren't finished yet. Why not just ratchet the dream up a notch? A 4th place finish and a shot at the Champions League.

Haway the lads!

Tangram Apr 15th 2012 6:08 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Never a second goal by Chelsea.

Oink Apr 15th 2012 7:11 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 10006887)
Never a second goal by Chelsea.
I'm done with football this season. :thumbdown:

Flogger Apr 15th 2012 7:12 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 10006887)
Never a second goal by Chelsea.
Third, fourth and fifth, were ok though:thumbup:

Flogger Apr 15th 2012 7:13 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10006956)
I'm done with football this season. :thumbdown:
Think spurs are too

Novocastrian Apr 15th 2012 7:19 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 10006961)
Think spurs are too
I hope so.

sw6blue Apr 15th 2012 7:22 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10006956)
I'm done with football this season. :thumbdown:
Oink mate,
you lot still have 4th place to play for,
champions league spot.
l have to admit not a goal time for technology.

jimf Apr 15th 2012 7:39 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 10006959)
Third, fourth and fifth, were ok though:thumbup:
And the first?

Ashley Young should have been booked for diving never mind getting a penalty. Hopefuly he can con a few refs in Euro 2012 though.

Oink Apr 15th 2012 7:53 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by sw6blue (Post 10006974)
Oink mate,
you lot still have 4th place to play for,
champions league spot.
l have to admit not a goal time for technology.
Yes, one should get too overly pessimistic its just a bit disappointing. The codes have to play your lot so I think we have the easiest run in. :fingerscrossed:

Tangram Apr 15th 2012 8:09 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 10006959)
Third, fourth and fifth, were ok though:thumbup:
Yes they were....when I posted they hadn't gone onto salted wounds time.

sw6blue Apr 15th 2012 8:57 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10006998)
Yes, one should get too overly pessimistic its just a bit disappointing. The codes have to play your lot so I think we have the easiest run in. :fingerscrossed:
yes, your lot have the easiest run in, we still have to play the f---ing gooners away on
saturday, also the codes and scoucers.
l think the f a cup winners go into the europa cup, not sure l could be wrong.
that could be our only way for european football next season.:D

JamesM Apr 15th 2012 9:02 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
I was dissapointed with 3 things during that game.

1) Chelsea fans chanting during the minutes silence.

2) The referee

3) Another Spurs capitulation- Redknapp for England????

It'll be a nice close cup final.

In the league Tottenham need to pick it up.

In the summer we can re-group with a new manager possibly.

JamesM Apr 15th 2012 9:06 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by sw6blue (Post 10007075)
yes, your lot have the easiest run in, we still have to play the f---ing gooners away on
saturday, also the codes and scoucers.
l think the f a cup winners go into the europa cup, not sure l could be wrong.
that could be our only way for european football next season.:D
Good luck in the Final. Let's hope you didn't use it all up today:)

jimf Apr 15th 2012 9:19 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 10007083)
I was dissapointed with 3 things during that game.

1) Chelsea fans chanting during the minutes silence.

2) The referee

3) Another Spurs capitulation- Redknapp for England????

It'll be a nice close cup final.

In the league Tottenham need to pick it up.

In the summer we can re-group with a new manager possibly.
I hope not. Hopelessly out of his depth when the pressure started. If the manager has to be English I'd go for Roy Hodgson.

Novocastrian Apr 15th 2012 9:23 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10006998)
Yes, one should get too overly pessimistic its just a bit disappointing. The codes have to play your lot so I think we have the easiest run in. :fingerscrossed:
One game at a time innit? We've got mid table, nothing to play for, Stoke at SJP next, you've got relegation candidate QPR away.

Anything can happen, but how would Spurs react to being 3 points adrift of 4th with 4 games to play?

Novocastrian Apr 16th 2012 9:14 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Bloody hell. Can I have some of whatever Wigan are smoking?

Tangram Apr 16th 2012 9:55 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 10009049)
Bloody hell. Can I have some of whatever Wigan are smoking?
Not a bad couple of results eh ?

Novocastrian Apr 16th 2012 10:10 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 10009108)
Not a bad couple of results eh ?
But it's more than a couple, they've beaten Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal (as well as Stoke) in their last 5 games. The 5th was away to Chelsea where they lost by the odd goal in three as a result of shitty refereeing.

Quite an improvement.

Tangram Apr 16th 2012 10:12 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 10009135)
But it's more than a couple, they've beaten Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal (as well as Stoke) in their last 5 games. The 5th was away to Chelsea where they lost by the odd goal in three as a result of shitty refereeing.

Quite an improvement.
I was trying to ignore the Liverpool result. Thanks for that.

Novocastrian Apr 16th 2012 10:31 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 10009139)
I was trying to ignore the Liverpool result. Thanks for that.
Ah, sorry. Insensitive of me.

Tangram Apr 16th 2012 10:31 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 10009175)
Ah, sorry. Insensitive of me.
Only kidding

iaink Apr 17th 2012 1:15 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by sw6blue (Post 10006974)
Oink mate,
you lot still have 4th place to play for,
champions league spot.
l have to admit not a goal time for technology.
Why bother with technology, just introduce TV reviews. It takes longer to shoo the argumentative players away then it would for the 4th official to look at a replay and make a call. I just dont get why there is official resistance to this common sense approach.*

*Other than the given that UEFA and FIFA are run by self serving idiots of course, and you are about as likely to find any common sense there as you are a fire breathing unicorn.

Auld Yin Apr 17th 2012 1:21 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10010269)
Why bother with technology, just introduce TV reviews. It takes longer to shoo the argumentative players away then it would for the 4th official to look at a replay and make a call. I just dont get why there is official resistance to this common sense approach.*

*Other than the given that UEFA and FIFA are run by self serving idiots of course, and you are about as likely to find any common sense there as you are a fire breathing unicorn.
Is every game televised? Asking because I do not know.

Tangram Apr 17th 2012 1:25 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10010269)
Why bother with technology, just introduce TV reviews. It takes longer to shoo the argumentative players away then it would for the 4th official to look at a replay and make a call. I just dont get why there is official resistance to this common sense approach.*

*Other than the given that UEFA and FIFA are run by self serving idiots of course, and you are about as likely to find any common sense there as you are a fire breathing unicorn.
Why don't they use the rugby model with the 4th official ?

iaink Apr 17th 2012 1:31 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Auld Yin (Post 10010278)
Is every game televised? Asking because I do not know.
Would every game have "goal line technology"?

All the "important" games are televised.

iaink Apr 17th 2012 1:34 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 10010286)
Why don't they use the rugby model with the 4th official ?
By all means have a 4th official, but why not use TV if its available? The main argument against more officials is that officials miss things, thats kind of the root cause of the problem.

The other problem with a 4th official is over time it will become a 5th official, then a 6th, 7th, 8th, and before you know it you have tennis or american football with more officials than players.

Tangram Apr 17th 2012 1:35 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10010297)
By all means have a 4th official, but why not use TV if its available? The main argument against more officials is that officials miss things, thats kind of the root cause of the problem.

The other problem with a 4th official is over time it will become a 5th official, then a 6th, 7th, 8th, and before you know it you have tennis or american football with more officials than players.
I believe that's what the 4th official ( video ref ) uses in rugby.

iaink Apr 17th 2012 1:39 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 10010300)
I believe that's what the 4th official ( video ref ) uses in rugby.
Sorry, I was thinking touchline officials.


Thats probably why the FA is against video.. cant be copying Rugger, can we now, oh no. Shame really because sin binning would help too. Too many games ruined by an early sending off for something petty. Footy would benefit from the option of a 5 or 10 minute sin bin, as well as permanent sending off.

Tangram Apr 17th 2012 2:08 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10010305)
Sorry, I was thinking touchline officials.


Thats probably why the FA is against video.. cant be copying Rugger, can we now, oh no. Shame really because sin binning would help too. Too many games ruined by an early sending off for something petty. Footy would benefit from the option of a 5 or 10 minute sin bin, as well as permanent sending off.
Also take from rugby if you argue with the ref the free kick moves closer to the goal.

iaink Apr 17th 2012 2:12 am
Re: The Toon Army / EPL thread
 
Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 10010361)
Also take from rugby if you argue with the ref the free kick moves closer to the goal.
See, It'll never happen. Makes too much sense.


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