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Novocastrian Apr 3rd 2009 11:45 am

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Originally Posted by PeterF (Post 7449678)
wow, must have been away a long time.. Donna Air - Newcastle Lass ;)

Not long enough, apparently.

What's her favourite position?

DaveLovesDee Apr 3rd 2009 12:03 pm

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Ah yes, Donna Air. The lass who asked Irish singing group The Corrs how they all met.

Novocastrian Apr 3rd 2009 12:05 pm

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Originally Posted by CaptainHook (Post 7449842)
Ah yes, Donna Air. The lass who asked Irish singing group The Corrs how they all met.

Never having heard of the Corrs, let me guess. They are all related, yes?

Donna sounds like someone the Toon needs in senior management.

Novocastrian Apr 3rd 2009 12:09 pm

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SHEAR-AH!!!!

SHEAR-AH!!!

SHEAR-AH!!!



<just practicing>

DaveLovesDee Apr 3rd 2009 12:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7449844)
Never having heard of the Corrs, let me guess. They are all related, yes?

Sisters, I believe.

Flogger Apr 3rd 2009 4:20 pm

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Originally Posted by CaptainHook (Post 7449896)
Sisters, I believe.

Plus a brother.(so i have been told)

Flogger Apr 3rd 2009 4:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7449852)
SHEAR-AH!!!!

SHEAR-AH!!!

SHEAR-AH!!!



<just practicing>


7 games to save the toon,after tomorrows forgone conclusion.
Good luck, I say.

DaveLovesDee Apr 3rd 2009 4:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 7450213)
7 games to save the toon,after tomorrows forgone conclusion.
Good luck, I say.

It's not a foregone conclusion. Newcastle could still draw, or even lose! :p

Oink Apr 3rd 2009 4:30 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7449852)
[SIZE="6"]


<just practicing>

How about?

We hate Sheffield Wednesday,

We hate Blackpool too
We hate Doncaster Rovers,
etc etc.

For next season :D

DaveLovesDee Apr 3rd 2009 5:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 7450225)
How about?

We hate Sheffield Wednesday,

We hate Blackpool too
We hate Doncaster Rovers,
etc etc.

For next season :D

I've just looked at the Championship table and was surprised to see Cardiff possibly in the race for a play-off spot this season.

PeterF Apr 4th 2009 1:11 am

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Originally Posted by CaptainHook (Post 7450264)
I've just looked at the Championship table and was surprised to see Cardiff possibly in the race for a play-off spot this season.


we hope to do something about that on Sunday :cool:

DaveLovesDee Apr 4th 2009 1:35 am

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Originally Posted by PeterF (Post 7451108)
we hope to do something about that on Sunday :cool:

I hope we do too. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Novocastrian Apr 4th 2009 3:33 am

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THe Toon appear to have given Chelshite fair start. Now for the story book come back.

<looks up the championship teams>

Novocastrian Apr 4th 2009 12:22 pm

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Hmm. Not a good day.

TOON 0-2 Chelshite

TOrONto 0 - 2 Seattle

Perhaps it's me?

Tangram Apr 4th 2009 1:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7452182)
Hmm. Not a good day.

TOON 0-2 Chelshite

TOrONto 0 - 2 Seattle

Perhaps it's me?

Look on the brightside....Liverpool won.

livermanl Apr 4th 2009 2:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7452182)
Hmm. Not a good day.

TOON 0-2 Chelshite

TOrONto 0 - 2 Seattle

Perhaps it's me?

To be fair to Newcastle they did score through Owen which wasn't given and the there was that back pass that wasn't given other than those two things there was nothing that Newcastle deserved.

Novocastrian Apr 4th 2009 2:06 pm

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Originally Posted by livermanl (Post 7452340)
To be fair to Newcastle they did score through Owen which wasn't given and the there was that back pass that wasn't given other than those two things there was nothing that Newcastle deserved.

Yes. No argument from me. Owen's goal might have made a difference, but probably not.

livermanl Apr 4th 2009 2:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7452347)
Yes. No argument from me. Owen's goal might have made a difference, but probably not.

I think regardless of what the referee called the full time I still think Newcastle should be added a 'goal for' imagine if they were relegated based on 1 goal!!!

Oink Apr 4th 2009 2:40 pm

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Can you get the Championship on tv here in Canada? :p

PeterF Apr 4th 2009 3:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 7452372)
Can you get the Championship on tv here in Canada? :p

Very rare... as a Swansea fan I'm finding it difficult in the knowledge that after years in the doldrums of the lower echelon's we're suddenly second tier, getting occasional (which is better than the recent 'none') games on TV which we cannot see.

Mind you for the game tomorrow verses the scummers from down the road, a mate is going to watch it with other exiled Swans in central London but leaving his TV on connected to Slingbox, just so I can see it here :thumbsup:

There are very rare games shown on TV over here for Championship teams, mainly FA Cup games are all you can hope for.. :(

rae Apr 5th 2009 5:31 am

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villa utd what a game. i feel fortunate that we got there in the end with the team we put out, but all credit to villa, they played us off the park for long periods and both goals were good. have we glimpsed the next cantona this morning?

bzriddell Apr 5th 2009 5:47 am

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Puts Utd back on track, was'nt it a cracker that third goal, Ronnie was off sorts and he still scored two. Have to admit the defense was terrible, Gary couldn't cope in the centre. Great tension, good win

rae Apr 5th 2009 5:54 am

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Originally Posted by bzriddell (Post 7453666)
Puts Utd back on track, was'nt it a cracker that third goal, Ronnie was off sorts and he still scored two. Have to admit the defense was terrible, Gary couldn't cope in the centre. Great tension, good win

he had one good challenge, late in the 2nd half when young was through and he slid in near the halfway line, otherwise you could see he is not there yet, if he ever will be again?
we missed vidic badly, especially on corners where he is the new pallister.
i think the move to real is on ronaldos mind.
we missed an enforcer in midfield, if scholes is not there we struggle, carrick is too nice and fletcher too much of a lightweight try as he might not to be.

bzriddell Apr 5th 2009 6:19 am

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Been a good season so far for both Giggs and Scholes, playing them in the different roles has given them a new lease of life. I wonder sometimes perhaps if letting Ronnie go would be a good thing, then he scores two on an off day can we let anyone who can score that well go, even for £75M. Is it easy to get Premiership games in Canada, thinking for next season when we are there?

DaveLovesDee Apr 5th 2009 8:00 am

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Originally Posted by bzriddell (Post 7453705)
Been a good season so far for both Giggs and Scholes, playing them in the different roles has given them a new lease of life. I wonder sometimes perhaps if letting Ronnie go would be a good thing, then he scores two on an off day can we let anyone who can score that well go, even for £75M. Is it easy to get Premiership games in Canada, thinking for next season when we are there?

This weekend in my area, Rogers Sportsnet showed 2 different Premiership games on Saturday (Newcastle-Chelsea was live and Blackburn-Spurs was on tape delay @ 7pm) Today, they showed the Manchester Utd-Aston Villa game live.

Setanta has most of the Premier League games.

Tangram Apr 5th 2009 8:12 am

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We ( Liverpool ) have lost/drawn too many gimme games which really we should have won. Makes for a little entertainment towards the end of the season, but barring any f$ck ups, Utd have done enough.

fraser Apr 5th 2009 8:19 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7452182)
Hmm. Not a good day.

TOON 0-2 Chelshite

TOrONto 0 - 2 Seattle

Perhaps it's me?

Fantastic eh the that thug Shearer gets to take the geordies down:thumbsup:

Novocastrian Apr 5th 2009 8:53 am

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Originally Posted by fraser (Post 7453945)
Fantastic eh the that thug Shearer gets to take the geordies down:thumbsup:

Oh, go back to playing in the Barbie you twit.

fraser Apr 5th 2009 8:54 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7454000)
Oh, go back to playing in the Barbie you twit.

Just as much fun laughing at crying geordies anywhere;)

Novocastrian Apr 5th 2009 9:09 am

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Originally Posted by fraser (Post 7454002)
Just as much fun laughing at crying geordies anywhere;)

Here is your chance to prove that you aren't a complete idiot. Go away.

fraser Apr 5th 2009 9:31 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 7454017)
Here is your chance to prove that you aren't a complete idiot. Go away.

Don't you bite easily:rofl:

Novocastrian Apr 5th 2009 9:34 am

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Originally Posted by fraser (Post 7454037)
Don't you bite easily:rofl:

I do enjoy shrimp, yes.

Greenhill Apr 5th 2009 9:36 am

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Arguably down to Torres injuries, and that's a shame, and with united being off-form recently Liverpool are unlucky not to be on top right now.

Still they're in with a shout, 7 games left and most of them winnable. Perhaps they're also the neutral's favourites to win the Champions League ..I wouldn't give up hope just yet...


Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 7453935)
We ( Liverpool ) have lost/drawn too many gimme games which really we should have won. Makes for a little entertainment towards the end of the season, but barring any f$ck ups, Utd have done enough.


rae Apr 6th 2009 7:13 am

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 7453935)
We ( Liverpool ) have lost/drawn too many gimme games which really we should have won. Makes for a little entertainment towards the end of the season, but barring any f$ck ups, Utd have done enough.

as much as it pains me to admit it, i am worried. yesterday was like a cup final match, can't imagine we can do that week in week out, even with a relatively straight forward run in, if there is such a thing anymore. its definitely not over, we need trouble free games against porto, anything happens to ronaldo and we are in big trouble.

PeterF Apr 6th 2009 7:19 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 7456903)
as much as it pains me to admit it, i am worried. yesterday was like a cup final match, can't imagine we can do that week in week out, even with a relatively straight forward run in, if there is such a thing anymore. its definitely not over, we need trouble free games against porto, anything happens to ronaldo and we are in big trouble.


For reasons outlined in an earlier posting about the lack of competion and Man U being one of the main instigators in the changes which in my mind has ruined what was the world's best competition I cannot bring myself to care about the 'winners' of the 4 horse race.

If in these troubled times, people have to make hard decisions and decide not buy the SKY packages then those teams that have mortgaged their future's on the money will cease to exist and in Man U's case there would be no tears here.

geo4 Apr 6th 2009 7:27 am

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Had a bit of the Newcastle game on the TV this weekend. The missus asked me why they are cheering for "She Ra?" :rofl:
<true story>

rae Apr 6th 2009 7:36 am

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Originally Posted by PeterF (Post 7456920)
For reasons outlined in an earlier posting about the lack of competion and Man U being one of the main instigators in the changes which in my mind has ruined what was the world's best competition I cannot bring myself to care about the 'winners' of the 4 horse race.

If in these troubled times, people have to make hard decisions and decide not buy the SKY packages then those teams that have mortgaged their future's on the money will cease to exist and in Man U's case there would be no tears here.

i can't say i have ever really followed the politics of the sport that closely, i just love the game. i don't think you can say all elements of competition have disappeared, we have lost at places this year i would never have thought of, so have liverpool, chelsea and in particular arsenal. look at the cup run derby and burnley had, look where tottenham have been recently, who would have thought wigan would continue to be in the premiership, or fulham for that matter.
while i would not disagree that there are 4 major clubs, others will rise and fall, and these 4 will eventually fall into decline, its just the way of things, its not something any true fan would wish for on any club though.

PeterF Apr 6th 2009 2:55 pm

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Clubs don't play their first team in the Cup's any more, unless they happen to get to the semi's with the kids they play.

I love the game too, but what we see now is greed pure and simple.

Wigan got there because a single individual took an interest, his money cannot buy a title but success to them and to most clubs these days is to stay at the top division, no-one has a hope to win anything unless its something the '4' doesn't want.

The FA Cup was always a major trophy, it is not any more, hence they play the kids.

You get a place in the EUFA Cup, seen as a poor man's European trophy all they want is to be top 4 to get into the ironically named Champions League.

Over the last 10 years the FA Cup has lost all its magic.

The greed of Man U, Arsenal (and others, clubs like Tottenham thought they would be benefiting, unlucky them eh!).

Man U, what are they now? 600 million in debt?

What happens to Chelsea when Abromovich gets bored (or knocked off, you never know in Russia). The debts they have in buying up anyone who can kick a ball.

No, the premiership killed football, what we see now is a travesty compared to the actual competion we had.

The 16 years prior to 1977, 10 (TEN) different teams won the football league, the top 4 changed drastically each year.

In the 16 year period from 1977 to 1992, 6 teams won the League. The majority of which were Liverpool (this was exceptional and unknown as they built on the Shankley legacy).

In 1977 the 3 teams following Liverpool were Manchester City, Aston Villa and West Bromwich Albion.

The following year it was Forest, with Liverpool, Everton and Man City.

Next season Liverpool won again with Forest, West Brom and Everton.

Next Liverpool again with Man U, Ipswich and Arsenal.

Teams such as Sheffield Wednesday, Norwich, West Ham all during those 16 years enjoyed a moment of success and a position in the top 4.

In the 16 years since the Premiership has played, 4 teams have won, these being Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and the one off (3 years in) Blackburn.

1998 was the first season where Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool were the top 4.

Then Chelsea dropped out to allow Leeds and Newcastle to take the occasional berth in the top 4, with Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool.

Then Abromovich's money brought Chelsea back in by 2004, with Everton briefly pushing Liverpool out for 1 season, we have now suffered 3 successive seasons of the 'big 4' being the top 4.

By manipulating the money via the Champions League, making entry to that cash cow an each way bet, they have secured football and now act as if they own it by right.

With the television money hi-jacked from SKY the bigger teams fought out for massive prize money, then, when the Champions League was secured, the fight was always about who could claw their way in. As the top 4 gained entry and the prizes in the tens of millions this was always going to tip the cart.

Leeds United paid the ultimate price for gambling all on getting one of those berths, whose to say they would not be up there now as gluttonous pigs if Abromovich had not bought Chelsea a place.

Newcastle have not quite suffered as much but have suffered for failing.






There is no competition now.. to borrow an American expression, the Premiership sucks..

Yes, Man U loses occasionally, so does Liverpool, so does Aresenal and Chelsea, but they have effectively bought all the talent to ensure it does not happen enough to hurt them or threaten their position at the trough.

It comes to something when a 'big' team celebrates coming in 4th!!

The gap is now so big, its up to the 'big 4' to chuck it away rather than the other teams to fight their way in

Novocastrian Apr 6th 2009 3:00 pm

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Originally Posted by PeterF (Post 7457859)
<snip>

Oh dear, look on the bright side. Swansea got a draw in Cardiff.

DaveLovesDee Apr 6th 2009 3:41 pm

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Originally Posted by PeterF (Post 7457859)
Clubs don't play their first team in the Cup's any more, unless they happen to get to the semi's with the kids they play.

I don't think this is a bad thing.

Surely it gives the other team a better chance of winning.
It gives the 2nd string players a chance of playing alongside 1st team regulars, gaining valuable experience to allow them to progress to the 1st team if they do well.
Arsenal usually do well in cup competions with the youngsters. This would imply to me that our 'kids' are better than a lot of our opponent's 1st teams!

Should we just make the 2nd team players play reserve games and not give them a chance to develop further. A number of former Arsenal 2nd team players are now regular 1st team players at other Premier League clubs. Are these clubs settling for 2nd rate players, or were they good players who were unlucky not to get 1st team games.


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