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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 11019887)
Some people do turn to God late in life. No harm in hedging your bets.
sorry link does not work Pascal's Wager is an argument in apologetic philosophy which was devised by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician, and physicist Blaise Pascal (1623–1662). It posits that humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or does not exist. Given the possibility that God actually does exist and assuming the infinite gain or loss associated with belief in God or with unbelief, a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.).[1] |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 11019887)
Some people do turn to God late in life. No harm in hedging your bets.
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by montreal mike
(Post 11019876)
It doesn't baffle me at all. It is blind faith, tradition, upbringing, schooling, and a host of other factors.
Take me as an example I was raised and baptized a Catholic even though mum and dad were not particularly devout. So I can not say religion was drilled into me. Through circumstances beyond my control I ended up in a boarding school for 5 years run by Australian Jesuit missionaries. I was altar boy every day at school by sheer default since 99% of the boys were Hindus and Muslims. I became quite religious as a teenager. I suspect it was the indoctrination. As an adult my views changed and I questioned the existence of God. It is now at the point where I do not believe in God as was taught to me in my youth. Ko I consider myself as quite intelligent but still can understand why other equally intelligent people will cling to the belief in God. I respect their belief. It is simply blind faith at work and wanting to believe. it defies logic and science. But that's basic human nature. This probably is the reason behind your ideas on same sex marriage. |
Re: gays not welcomed
You'll hear me laughing from the other side if I get to heaven, there IS a God, and he's a screaming woofta. oh how silly you'll all feel then.
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by Sally Redux
(Post 11019920)
Which one though?
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 11019922)
The Jesuit maxim "Give me the child for the first 7 years and I will give you the man"
This probably is the reason behind your ideas on same sex marriage. I do know that as a child, in the fifties, the matter of same sex marriage was a non issue. The word 'gay' was not in common use. At school, the matters of homosexuality, masturbation, and sex outside of marriage were frowned upon by my well intentioned teachers and that those views, even way back then, never quite did make any sense to me |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by TheCreature
(Post 11019831)
Faith.... and you cannot prove the absence of God.
No more need to prove the absence of god, than the need to prove the absence of Thor or the Flying Teapot. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11020242)
Faith is all you have when your belief contradicts reason. In centuries past, religion was reason, science didn't exist. Now it does, so refusal to accept advances knowledge suggests an inability to think.
No more need to prove the absence of god, than the need to prove the absence of Thor or the Flying Teapot. "No more need to prove the absence of god, than the need to prove the absence of Thor or the Flying Teapot" Given that the majority of mankind still 'believe' then the onus is still on you to prove otherwise. You claim science is in your court... religion can claim millennia of belief is in their's. "suggests an inability to think" is patently nonsense. How many of the world's greatest minds were and still are followers of religion? |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by TheCreature
(Post 11020288)
"suggests an inability to think" is patently nonsense. How many of the world's greatest minds were and still are followers of religion?
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by montreal mike
(Post 11020290)
But have you considered that they might simply be putting blind faith in religion, a typically human trait, as opposed to using logic?
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by TheCreature
(Post 11020288)
You can say what you want mate, but you can no more prove the absence of God, than adherents can prove his existence.
"No more need to prove the absence of god, than the need to prove the absence of Thor or the Flying Teapot" Given that the majority of mankind still 'believe' then the onus is still on you to prove otherwise. You claim science is in your court... religion can claim millennia of belief is in their's. "suggests an inability to think" is patently nonsense. How many of the world's greatest minds were and still are followers of religion? For millennia humans believed thunder was a reflection of god's anger. Probably for tens of thousands of years. Does all that time make them right? Some primitive people still believe that, perhaps you do too. It would be consistent with the idea of a anthropomorphic god after all. Many of the world's great historical thinkers were followers of religion because in the past, the alternative explanations were not there. That's different now. Very few great thinkers now believe in god, though many go through the motions for political or cultural reasons. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by TheCreature
(Post 11020288)
You can say what you want mate, but you can no more prove the absence of God, than adherents can prove his existence.
However, if we can't prove the existence of God then there's no reason to base laws around what some people think he says (or thunders or bleats or whatever noise Gods are thought to make). Thus, there's no case for disallowing any sort of conduct, here specifically gay marriage, on religious grounds. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by TheCreature
(Post 11020288)
Given that the majority of mankind still 'believe'
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11020415)
Can you substantiate this? Do you have any way of knowing what, if anything, other people believe?
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by fuchs01
(Post 11019605)
Its the term marriage, thatcseems to be the stickler.....
Traditionalist come in all forms , some from the older generation. Marriage is something that shaped their lifes, their own proof, if you like of success and fulfillmint. It is the 'envelope of life' it portrays their all. It expresses their love for their chosen partner, the wonder of children, and the trial and tribulations put before them, that molded their lifes in their traditional families. It is the way even today that most people chose and want to live. Many of these tradition s lists will accept and try to understand the gay argument. Marriage is I suppose the base of the Human life, where people draw their comfort, and follow their own interpretation of the ten commandments. Myself, yes I would prefer that marriage as a term is recognised ,only as a partnership between opposite sex partners. If the law decrees otherwise, we are in an ever evolving world, sometimes you have to be bigger, than what you prefer. Like all good guys, I dont want to be told what I should do, some asking, with an honest sprinkle of debate goes along way, gays or hetros. Spot on. |
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