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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11019447)
A1: Do some research on the subject.
A2: That's a sweeping statement. How do you know that? You don't need to be a Marxist to be used for the agenda of Marxists. Ah the usual form. ;) No I am just opposed to redefining it. I respect and support the right of gays to commit to eachother and to be happy. All I ask is they respect marriage. If they want something similar for themselves then they can create a version of it and customise it to suit their needs. They should show some tolerance to people who are different to them and leave traditional marriage alone. Why is it only those who have traditional values are required to be tolerant and compromising? Surely it should work both ways? |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11019447)
A1: Do some research on the subject.
A2: That's a sweeping statement. How do you know that? Besides, you don't need to be a Marxist to be used for the agenda of Marxists. Ah the usual form. ;) No I am just opposed to redefining it. I respect and support the right of gays to commit to eachother and to be happy. All I ask is they respect marriage. If they want something similar for themselves then they can create a version of it and customise it to suit their needs. They should show some tolerance to people who are different to them and leave traditional marriage alone. Why is it only those who have traditional values are required to be tolerant and compromising? Surely it should work both ways? Gay marriage causes you no harm. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11019447)
A1: Do some research on the subject.
A2: That's a sweeping statement. How do you know that? Besides, you don't need to be a Marxist to be used for the agenda of Marxists. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 11019492)
Why do you want to impose your views on everyone else? If your church doesn't allow it then surely your club is safe from such calumny. Why should the laws of the land conform to your group's beliefs. When religion and state are separate then equality must prevail.
Gay marriage causes you no harm. Traditionalist come in all forms , some from the older generation. Marriage is something that shaped their lifes, their own proof, if you like of success and fulfillmint. It is the 'envelope of life' it portrays their all. It expresses their love for their chosen partner, the wonder of children, and the trial and tribulations put before them, that molded their lifes in their traditional families. It is the way even today that most people chose and want to live. Many of these tradition s lists will accept and try to understand the gay argument. Marriage is I suppose the base of the Human life, where people draw their comfort, and follow their own interpretation of the ten commandments. Myself, yes I would prefer that marriage as a term is recognised ,only as a partnership between opposite sex partners. If the law decrees otherwise, we are in an ever evolving world, sometimes you have to be bigger, than what you prefer. Like all good guys, I dont want to be told what I should do, some asking, with an honest sprinkle of debate goes along way, gays or hetros. Only my women can TELL ME what to do, in fact they never cease. Not bad for an alian. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by fuchs01
(Post 11019605)
It expresses their love for their chosen partner, the wonder of children, and the trial and tribulations put before them, that molded their lifes in their traditional families.
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Re: gays not welcomed
Shiiit that should read Alien
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by Sally Redux
(Post 11019607)
Gay people also love eachother and their children.
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by fuchs01
(Post 11019612)
Not saying otherwise, just digging out where the difficulties are.
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 11019651)
The only difficulies are caused by narrow minded people. Age has nothing to do with that.
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Re: gays not welcomed
:rofl:
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11019684)
Yep, you need look no further than yourself
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 11019651)
The only difficulties are caused by narrow minded people. Age has nothing to do with that.
A smiling happy married couple http://bbb-news.com/blog/2013/12/03/...baby-together/ At 27 you may have expected Zhang Feng to settle down with someone her own age but instead she has fallen in love and had a child with Wen Changlin who is the grand age of 72. Zhang was just 15 when Wen, a 60-year-old Chinese medicine practitioner, began caring for her sick father. After her dad died, Zhang declared her love for Wen and the couple now have a baby boy called Tian which means heaven. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11019116)
The proportion of murders may indeed be tiny and "bottom of the list" as you put it. The same could not be said of deaths due to war, terrorism and sectarian violence. Plenty of other evils to lay at religions door, for those willing to question their faith.
I'm not aware of any mainstream Christian leader doing or saying anything to encourage or condone any of those things in my lifetime. Quite the reverse I'd say. What is the implication of doctrine always being in a state of evolution? That it is merely a system of morality? Is that it's purpose and principal benefit? Does it mean that there is actually no god? It neither proves nor disproves the existence of God. Did look at the first five pages of the thread, but could not find your opinion. Perhaps it was another thread. I am also not on a crusade to demonise or belittle believers, but I am on a crusade to dispute incoherent beliefs. I find it fascinating that so many people refuse to think, and enjoy challenging their refusal. It might have been on another recent thread. You may think you're on a crusade to dispute incoherant beliefs - good luck with that. Obviously Martin Luther etc weren't capable of coherant thought unlike you of course. It's great that your inlaws are accepted by their church. A reasonably enlightened priest and congregation it would seem, and a good example for other churches to follow. I'm sure they'll be ecstatic to know of your approval. |
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 11019741)
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